Doctor Who's Grow

[Doctor Who]

Thats what I have always understood to be correct, but I saw a gentleman who did a side by side comparison with some lowryders. He claimed the 12/12 plant produced fuller buds. I am trying to find where I saw this(I was google searching one night) and will post if I find it. According to the Joint Doctor's, who created the autoflower, 18/6 is the optimal schedule. My problem is I can either go 24 or 12/12, cause I have other plants flowering....hmmm...I guess I'll find out if 12/12 works!

The provider claims 20/4 is the optimal for this plant, and also claims that in hydroponics the buds will be more full an dense and no doudt that the creater is also right so where does that leave it?

I believe the seed providers for Attitude grow and and find the best tweek for growing the plant then pass that on.

But it's all good Bro.

Info Good! Fire Bad! Uunless it's lighting a joint.

 

[Daffodil]

i dn bout autoflowering but i mean i would figure 12/12 is the regular schedule to bud newayz anything more and they dont have the time to build up the power to do what they gotta do. even if they are autoflower seeds

 

[Keith Lake]

i dn bout autoflowering but i mean i would figure 12/12 is the regular schedule to bud newayz anything more and they dont have the time to build up the power to do what they gotta do. even if they are autoflower seeds

Well the thing about the 12/12 or photo period in non-auto flower strains is that it's nature signal to the plant that the season for growing is starting to end.

The nights are getting shorter and the temperature is starting to drop. The plant's genetics kick in and it starts to flower so it can reproduce before the oncoming cold winter ends its life.

The autoflower doesn't work this way; being of Ruderalis genetics. It evolved naturally to just start flowering at a pre-programmed time. In the case of DinaFem's Roadrunner this is between the 14th and 21st day from the time the seed was planted.

You can't prevent this by keep the lights on - no growers option to prolong to vegetation stage and bush the plant up. it starts the rush to bud when it's ready.

I'd be very interested in seeing a 12/12 vs a 20/4 to see which outproduced; all else equal. I'd be shocked if the 12/12 was anywhere near the 20/4.

Think about it - if the Roadrunner is a 60 day strain and starts budding on day 14 -then it has 44 days to bud before trichomes are amber and the grower better chop or risk losing her potency.

You get to choose between allowing her to have 528 (44*12) or 880 (44*20) hours to photosynthesize - which is going to result in more growth?

Not trying to be argumentative but I did want to flesh out my thoughts more fully.

I do love data though - so if someone's experimenting and I have a chance to see if my opinion is wrong; I'm there

 

[Doctor Who]

Well the thing about the 12/12 or photo period in non-auto flower strains is that it's nature signal to the plant that the season for growing is starting to end.

The nights are getting shorter and the temperature is starting to drop. The plant's genetics kick in and it starts to flower so it can reproduce before the oncoming cold winter ends its life.

The autoflower doesn't work this way; being of Ruderalis genetics. It evolved naturally to just start flowering at a pre-programmed time. In the case of DinaFem's Roadrunner this is between the 14th and 21st day from the time the seed was planted.

You can't prevent this by keep the lights on - no growers option to prolong to vegetation stage and bush the plant up. it starts the rush to bud when it's ready.

I'd be very interested in seeing a 12/12 vs a 20/4 to see which outproduced; all else equal. I'd be shocked if the 12/12 was anywhere near the 20/4.

Think about it - if the Roadrunner is a 60 day strain and starts budding on day 14 -then it has 44 days to bud before trichomes are amber and the grower better chop or risk losing her potency.

You get to choose between allowing her to have 528 (44*12) or 880 (44*20) hours to photosynthesize - which is going to result in more growth?

Not trying to be argumentative but I did want to flesh out my thoughts more fully.

I do love data though - so if someone's experimenting and I have a chance to see if my opinion is wrong; I'm there

Here! Here! I agree with you soniq420 on that, I can't see how 12/12 would be the optimal lighting when dealing with an autoflower strain as you said, I try to look at all this as logically as much as possible.

I did see a big change in the roadrunner once put back into 20/4 but their was some stress to get over first took a day or so, and now that's over the buds are filling in an compeared to the last grow their filling in at an incredible rate! where it did seem slower in 12/12 as I check them throught the day til lights out if I'm not out working.

But I like the the idea of doing one in a 12/12 an 1 in 24/0 to see! I have a few more of the autoflower roadrunner seeds and will take up this experiment when done with this grow, I am growing for myself for now! so an experimnet of this type is manageable, only something like 28 days left, give or take! a week or so, wink! wink! nudge! nudge! and now for something completely different MPFC.

 

[Doctor Who]

The roadrunner plant's buds I think are forming nicely so far. 46 day's in the bubble bucket and 24 of those days so far! are of flowering.

 

[Doctor Who]

The tranwreck is doing great look here check her out.

The Tent View

To the left is the LA Women she is coming along also and beginning to flower may be I should set her on something to get her closer to the light, Did it!
Check out the flowering female.

Look here what do we have.​

 

[Doctor Who]

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[Doctor Who]

Well my fellow growers I have to say! that the grow is going very good! and friends I believe I have hit the sweet spot with the nutrien mix, each of the plants are drinking up anywhere from a 1/2 gallon to a full gallon of nute soup a day and are looking very healthy, and thus far I haven't hit any speed bumps or had any major problems, no nute burn and no adverse problems like pests' and such, and you know is the best of all! their all females this time around.

Viva La Grow

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

Well my fellow growers I have to say! that the grow is going very good! and friends I believe I have hit the sweet spot with the nutrien mix, each of the plants are drinking up anywhere from a 1/2 gallon to a full gallon of nute soup a day and are looking very healthy, and thus far I haven't hit any speed bumps or had any major problems, no nute burn and no adverse problems like pests' and such, and you know is the best of all! their all females this time around.

Viva La Grow

Good job man, great to hear everything is working out good! My plants have been funny, drinking a lot, green as hell, but the nutes don't seem to be getting used. I've been noticing this for at least a week, and the plants seem to be thriving! I'm thinking my tds meter isn't working.

 

[Doctor Who]

Good job man, great to hear everything is working out good! My plants have been funny, drinking a lot, green as hell, but the nutes don't seem to be getting used. I've been noticing this for at least a week, and the plants seem to be thriving! I'm thinking my tds meter isn't working.

I know one thing that's been keeping things good! nutes mixed right! and the solution temps.

 

[Doctor Who]

Yeah the $80 peice of crap ph meter I bought isn't working right and it won't stay caliberated crap, and the spear is bad also and to late to get to the shop that has to exchange it!

Mixing by Memory 101, so I had to mix my nutrients and ph everything by the best gruesstimate MM101, good thing I have been using the same mixing insrtruments for months now! and pretty much know just how much ph down or up! to use for a 1. ph change per gal if needed, and already know what the nutrient mixes out at both ph an ppm wise, and the ppm meter will help tell me if I'm in the area I need to be in.

Wow! stop alright!! find out tomorrow, after I exchange the ph meter that's not working! you know! for one that works! so I will post it if I was anywhere near correct or not! truth.

 

[FryingPanFlyer]

Yeah the $80 peice of crap ph meter I bought isn't working right and it won't stay caliberated crap, and the spear is bad also and to late to get to the shop that has to exchange it!

Mixing by Memory 101, so I had to mix my nutrients and ph everything by the best gruesstimate MM101, good thing I have been using the same mixing insrtruments for months now! and pretty much know just how much ph down or up! to use for a 1. ph change per gal if needed, and already know what the nutrient mixes out at both ph an ppm wise, and the ppm meter will help tell me if I'm in the area I need to be in.

Wow! stop alright!! find out tomorrow, after I exchange the ph meter that's not working! you know! for one that works! so I will post it if I was anywhere near correct or not! truth.

There you go man, what I hear you saying is you're learning what you're doing. I really feel that you can do everything without a meter once you learn what levels you need, how high you can push things without gettin into trouble and how to read your plant. Hydro takes a lot more fine tuning to get it right, but it's still pretty basic, you gotta give the plant what it needs, but if you over stuff it you're gonna mess things up. Don't get greedy and you'll do fine.

 

[Doctor Who]

There you go man, what I hear you saying is you're learning what you're doing. I really feel that you can do everything without a meter once you learn what levels you need, how high you can push things without gettin into trouble and how to read your plant. Hydro takes a lot more fine tuning to get it right, but it's still pretty basic, you gotta give the plant what it needs, but if you over stuff it you're gonna mess things up. Don't get greedy and you'll do fine.

I here you there! I stayed with what I mixed the day before! and didn't very from what I had done earlier, but still I would feel much better with using the meter, and tomorrow I'll replace the bad one and bet feet back to check it, the roadrunner just came out of it's 4 hour sleep mod and looks okay, I see about the others when the lights come on in the morning at 7am.

 

[Keith Lake]

Yeah the $80 peice of crap ph meter I bought isn't working right and it won't stay caliberated crap, and the spear is bad also and to late to get to the shop that has to exchange it!

Mixing by Memory 101, so I had to mix my nutrients and ph everything by the best gruesstimate MM101, good thing I have been using the same mixing insrtruments for months now! and pretty much know just how much ph down or up! to use for a 1. ph change per gal if needed, and already know what the nutrient mixes out at both ph an ppm wise, and the ppm meter will help tell me if I'm in the area I need to be in.

Wow! stop alright!! find out tomorrow, after I exchange the ph meter that's not working! you know! for one that works! so I will post it if I was anywhere near correct or not! truth.

A lot of growers keep the pH test drops around just in case their meters act up.

Need reality check

 

[Roseman]

Yeah the $80 peice of crap ph meter I bought isn't working right and it won't stay caliberated crap, and the spear is bad also and to late to get to the shop that has to exchange it!

Mixing by Memory 101, so I had to mix my nutrients and ph everything by the best gruesstimate MM101, good thing I have been using the same mixing insrtruments for months now! and pretty much know just how much ph down or up! to use for a 1. ph change per gal if needed, and already know what the nutrient mixes out at both ph an ppm wise, and the ppm meter will help tell me if I'm in the area I need to be in.

Wow! stop alright!! find out tomorrow, after I exchange the ph meter that's not working! you know! for one that works! so I will post it if I was anywhere near correct or not! truth.

After three grows I learned to keep a box of pH test strips handy. With each grow, after 3 or 4 grows, I learned that a air pump can quit working, a meter can quit working, a fuse can blow, batteries go dead, Bulbs burn out, I can spill the liquid bottle of ________ whatever, and I got tired of panicing at night, WILL THEY MAKE IT TIL TOMORROW WHEN I CAN GET WHAT I NEED?
Now I have two pH meters, still have the test strips, I keep two extra air pumps, two water pumps, etc etc extra everything!

To be a successful grower, you got to have a PLAN B!

 

[Doctor Who]

After three grows I learned to keep a box of pH test strips handy. With each grow, after 3 or 4 grows, I learned that a air pump can quit working, a meter can quit working, a fuse can blow, batteries go dead, Bulbs burn out, I can spill the liquid bottle of ________ whatever, and I got tired of panicing at night, WILL THEY MAKE IT TIL TOMORROW WHEN I CAN GET WHAT I NEED?
Now I have two pH meters, still have the test strips, I keep two extra air pumps, two water pumps, etc etc extra everything!

To be a successful grower, you got to have a PLAN B!

Guess I didn't mention it in the post! I did have a back up ph meter but it messed up and failed me when I needed it the most! the ph strips won't work because of the nutrients discoloring of the ph strips and unable to get a true read, but your right I should've been checking to make sure I had a good plan B as back up, an infact I thought I did, as far as air an water pumps have separes yes, but testing equipment is whole different thing all together.

Your right though I should I have had a back plan! an I thought I did! for what ever reason it crashed and burn on me! and I had to rely on my self and what I have learned when all else failed, and I have say fortunately it all worked out! "for this time" who know's about next time right! and that will depend if I can get another $$ back up ph meter even the cheep one.

But you know what! it's all good! it worked out in my favor and I am working on a new back up plan.

 

[Doctor Who]

A lot of growers keep the pH test drops around just in case their meters act up.

Need reality check

OO that stings! Guy's you really don't believe in me! I did have a separe ph meter it failed me when I needed it! I do have test strips! but they don't work well with the nutrients I use, they discolor and you can't read the ph level because of it! and yes I should have waited til today but I guess I wanted to put my abilities to the test.

 

[Doctor Who]

And as I said I would truthfully post the reading's from my mix last night, and here they are luck or not this is where they are at,

Trainwreck's Res tank is at 5.9 ph
La women Res tank is at 6.0 ph
Roadrunner Res tank is at 6.1 ph

And the ppm's all in the zones for each! these readings were just taken once I got back from replacing the ph meter, the truth of it all is that you just have to trust in your abilities when all esle fail's other wise your SOL.

 

[Keith Lake]

OO that stings! Guy's you really don't believe in me! I did have a separe ph meter it failed me when I needed it! I do have test strips! but they don't work well with the nutrients I use, they discolor and you can't read the ph level because of it! and yes I should have waited til today but I guess I wanted to put my abilities to the test.

I meant no disrespect my friend.

I mean reality check on the pH not anything you were doing Brother

I was thinking of the drops not the strips. Little vial of solution 5 drops and match on the colorometric chart.

Of course if you had a backup who could have anticipated the primary and backup plan both failing.

Sorry if my post was ambiguous - I'd never say anything mean like that

 

[Doctor Who]

I meant no disrespect my friend.

I mean reality check on the pH not anything you were doing Brother

I was thinking of the drops not the strips. Little vial of solution 5 drops and match on the colorometric chart.

Of course if you had a backup who could have anticipated the primary and backup plan both failing.

Sorry if my post was ambiguous - I'd never say anything mean like that

Not a problem Bro it's all good right! and Oh crap!! I forgot completely that I do have that 5 drop solution as a back up was one of the first things I purchased! thank you for reminding me! truth be told I should have've just waited til today and handled it, hay good thing all went well, I will be getting a new back up ph meter to.