Your getting confused. Doc said 1.5 OUNCES for 2.5 gallons. Thats 45 ml.
Doc Bud's High Brix Q&A With Pictures
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Ah... damn my bad. Thank you for the correction... man that seems like a lot though... it's just hard figuring this out when I grow so few plants... and don't wanna waste anything. Now I'm horribly confused. Seems I've been way way under feeding but they seem so happy.
Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures
Ok, Doc since I was confused I apologize. Seems I've been under feeding. So how do you mix for your 7 gallon pots? I've been doing 7ml in a gallon of water for the 7s and then pour in just enough extra RO to get a bit of runoff. Is this correct? Thought I was starting to figure this out, now I feel I'm back to square one.
Edit: I would also like to apologize to everyone else here... I'm sorry for posting too much and not knowing what I'm talking about. I'll refrain from answering questions until I actually do have a good solid grasp on this. Thank you, everyone, for putting up with me and my ignorance. Hope you all have a great day!
Ok, Doc since I was confused I apologize. Seems I've been under feeding. So how do you mix for your 7 gallon pots? I've been doing 7ml in a gallon of water for the 7s and then pour in just enough extra RO to get a bit of runoff. Is this correct? Thought I was starting to figure this out, now I feel I'm back to square one.
Edit: I would also like to apologize to everyone else here... I'm sorry for posting too much and not knowing what I'm talking about. I'll refrain from answering questions until I actually do have a good solid grasp on this. Thank you, everyone, for putting up with me and my ignorance. Hope you all have a great day!
Deltatrichs
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Whew ! Glad we got to the bottom of that .... My wheels were spinning .
I'm really sorry about that... I do think I'm doing it correctly, and maybe it's just the fact Doc does 6 plants at a time and I only do 1-2 plants at a time. So I go by gallons of soil... just as it says on the new labels on his site. But now I'm pretty confused. And feel like such a jerk.
Gazoo
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I could be wrong SO DON'T FOLLOW me
But I do believe the amount of product is independent of the amount of water used,
its more the amount of soil we are treating. Of course when dunking its double the amount of product
but still in accordance with the amount of soil ?
But I do believe the amount of product is independent of the amount of water used,
its more the amount of soil we are treating. Of course when dunking its double the amount of product
but still in accordance with the amount of soil ?
Deltatrichs
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Just my 2 cents worth :
If doc says he mixes up 2.5 gallons to dunk with , maybe you should do the same. After you get the hang of it , then tweak to your liking .
If doc says he mixes up 2.5 gallons to dunk with , maybe you should do the same. After you get the hang of it , then tweak to your liking .
Yea but 2.5 gallons for 1-2 veg plants... that's a lot of waste man. And my plants look great, no complaints there.
So ... how many gallons would you like to use? Two plants ... 2 gallons? ... 1.5 gallons? If 2 gallons, multiply by 80%. 1.5 gallons, multiply by 60%. My 6 gallon pots will usually take about 3/4 gallon each.
This is one of those instinctive things that a grower should know, like how light the pots should be before watering. And when you water, how much do the plants use?
So when I water 2 plants, I know I need 1.5 gals. I put that into a pail and add the right drench dose to it.- Thread starter
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Im glad the plants are happy! But others are having trouble and I'm trying to make so they don't.
I said add 1.5 OUNCES of drench, and you responded by saying 2.5ml of drench. That's not at all the same thing. Not by a longshot.
Remember, we mix the drenches twice as strong for dunking because some is going to be left over. At the very least, what drains out of the pot will be left over.
You can use it the next day with plain water added if you like.
Underfeeding will let soil energy go flat.
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Yep. This is where we get into trouble. I say something simple and direct and it gets changed into something else.
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Re: Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures
In bloom, a 7 gallon pot is going to get a gallon of drench or water as the case may be.
The new labels say "Mix at 0.5 to 1.0ml drench per gallon of soil." So, if I'm going to use 1 gallon of water to drench one plant in a 7 gallon pot, I'm going to add:
3.5 to 7 mils drench for that gallon drench. This is for bloom.
I'm going to use that same gallon with DOUBLE the amount of drench for dunking in veg. 14 mils per gallonx2.5 gallons=35 mils of drench per 2.5 gallons of water. I just round up to 1 and a half shot glasses to save time and not need to put my glasses on.
BTW, I can drench 6 or 7 plants with those 2.5 gallons.....one after the other.
In bloom, a 7 gallon pot is going to get a gallon of drench or water as the case may be.
The new labels say "Mix at 0.5 to 1.0ml drench per gallon of soil." So, if I'm going to use 1 gallon of water to drench one plant in a 7 gallon pot, I'm going to add:
3.5 to 7 mils drench for that gallon drench. This is for bloom.
I'm going to use that same gallon with DOUBLE the amount of drench for dunking in veg. 14 mils per gallonx2.5 gallons=35 mils of drench per 2.5 gallons of water. I just round up to 1 and a half shot glasses to save time and not need to put my glasses on.
BTW, I can drench 6 or 7 plants with those 2.5 gallons.....one after the other.
So ... how many gallons would you like to use? Two plants ... 2 gallons? ... 1.5 gallons? If 2 gallons, multiply by 80%. 1.5 gallons, multiply by 60%. My 6 gallon pots will usually take about 3/4 gallon each.
This is one of those instinctive things that a grower should know, like how light the pots should be before watering. And when you water, how much do the plants use?
Oh come on man... give me some credit. I have everything else down that you mentioned... the only thing I am getting hung up on is exactly how much drench to use. Not when to use it, just how much. Please don't consider me completely ignorant of this whole process because i'm hung up on this one detail. I see my original confusion was, for some reason I kept reading oz as ml. Thats my bad and I did apologize.
Yes sir, and I apologize. I kept reading OZ as ML... stupid me. I am sorry...
Re: Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures
See this is what i've been trying to say Doc, I have pretty much been doing my veg plants the same way as a blooming one. In that I only give it as much water as it can hold. My 1 gal can hold about 1qt of water, so I put 1ml drench in that. My 7 gal can hold a bit over a gallon of water, so I give those 7ml drench... all drenches with tea of course. So I guess this whole time, although I haven't been dunking proper like, Maybe I was using the proper amount of product? Thank you so much for your patience Doc, I promise I really am not this stupid in person.
See this is what i've been trying to say Doc, I have pretty much been doing my veg plants the same way as a blooming one. In that I only give it as much water as it can hold. My 1 gal can hold about 1qt of water, so I put 1ml drench in that. My 7 gal can hold a bit over a gallon of water, so I give those 7ml drench... all drenches with tea of course. So I guess this whole time, although I haven't been dunking proper like, Maybe I was using the proper amount of product? Thank you so much for your patience Doc, I promise I really am not this stupid in person.
Re: Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures
First off dajerm, thank you for asking your initial question. Your questions that followed got some good explanations from Doc, even though you misunderstood the oz->ml, but that got worked out.
Last year when I started on Docs gear I too would water the way you did, conserving every little bit I could to stretch it as far as I could. When I saw Docs IG videos on dunking, it hit me, dunking does far more than water and feed the soil. It purges the stale air from the roots when you submerge, and you can see it happen...must be completely dry or you won't see it...pour 8-12oz of drench on top and dunk before the drench on top has seeped in...you will see air percolating from the soil...bubbles. Then when you pull the plant out to drain, it sucks fresh O2 into the root zone from the top of the soil. It makes a little difference in the health of the plant, and all these little things can add up.
You do have waste, no doubt, but to me it's a worthwhile procedure.
If you were to get smaller dunk container that barely fit the 1 gal container width wise you could cut the drench in half, and get the benefit of a dunk, with less waste.
Currently I have 14 small plants in 1g pots. Tonight I mixed up 3oz GE -> 5-6ml tea -> 5 gallons of 75*f filtered water. I split into two buckets and start dunking. Each bucket has exactly what Doc has in his. Two buckets just goes quicker.
First off dajerm, thank you for asking your initial question. Your questions that followed got some good explanations from Doc, even though you misunderstood the oz->ml, but that got worked out.
Last year when I started on Docs gear I too would water the way you did, conserving every little bit I could to stretch it as far as I could. When I saw Docs IG videos on dunking, it hit me, dunking does far more than water and feed the soil. It purges the stale air from the roots when you submerge, and you can see it happen...must be completely dry or you won't see it...pour 8-12oz of drench on top and dunk before the drench on top has seeped in...you will see air percolating from the soil...bubbles. Then when you pull the plant out to drain, it sucks fresh O2 into the root zone from the top of the soil. It makes a little difference in the health of the plant, and all these little things can add up.
You do have waste, no doubt, but to me it's a worthwhile procedure.
If you were to get smaller dunk container that barely fit the 1 gal container width wise you could cut the drench in half, and get the benefit of a dunk, with less waste.
Currently I have 14 small plants in 1g pots. Tonight I mixed up 3oz GE -> 5-6ml tea -> 5 gallons of 75*f filtered water. I split into two buckets and start dunking. Each bucket has exactly what Doc has in his. Two buckets just goes quicker.
Some noteworthy observations:
4 plants total
2 OG's and 2 Blue dreams
23 days PF
As previously stated a few pages ago I have been testing for the last couple of months TP drenches and GE drenches in veg. I wanted to see and learn what happens in Bloom, if a plant is given mostly GE in veg, and conversely what happen when a plant is given mostly TP in veg.
In Bloom all four plants have received the same drenches and drinks ( Ge Drench, drink, TP drench, drink, TP drench, and drink so far)
In the photo below the BD's are both up front and the OG's are in the back. The left front BD got mostly TP and the right front BD got mostly GE in veg....see the difference...zoom in and look close. The BD on the right is fading hard compared to the left BD. Same on the OG's except the one on the back left got mostly GE in veg, and the back right got mostly TP..harder to see, but same deal.
Now ideally I should be alternating GE/TP in veg, as we all learned last week, but I sometimes need to see things for myself, and share my observations with you.
There is no doubt in my mind, how important TP is in Veg. I can see the difference. I keep reading the same thing over and over from expert growers....all the little things add up, and will show in bloom. However this grow is far from over, so we will see how it progresses...
4 plants total
2 OG's and 2 Blue dreams
23 days PF
As previously stated a few pages ago I have been testing for the last couple of months TP drenches and GE drenches in veg. I wanted to see and learn what happens in Bloom, if a plant is given mostly GE in veg, and conversely what happen when a plant is given mostly TP in veg.
In Bloom all four plants have received the same drenches and drinks ( Ge Drench, drink, TP drench, drink, TP drench, and drink so far)
In the photo below the BD's are both up front and the OG's are in the back. The left front BD got mostly TP and the right front BD got mostly GE in veg....see the difference...zoom in and look close. The BD on the right is fading hard compared to the left BD. Same on the OG's except the one on the back left got mostly GE in veg, and the back right got mostly TP..harder to see, but same deal.
Now ideally I should be alternating GE/TP in veg, as we all learned last week, but I sometimes need to see things for myself, and share my observations with you.
There is no doubt in my mind, how important TP is in Veg. I can see the difference. I keep reading the same thing over and over from expert growers....all the little things add up, and will show in bloom. However this grow is far from over, so we will see how it progresses...
Deltatrichs
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Re: Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures
Thanks for that explanation .... I'll have to admit that the 'new' directions lost me in the details . I relied on the old 1 to 2 ozs per 5 gallons of drench method . I'm not sure where it was written - somewhere in the 1000 plus pages of this thread.
Please don't take my short replies the wrong way - intent and perception are often misconstrued .
Peace all
Thanks for that explanation .... I'll have to admit that the 'new' directions lost me in the details . I relied on the old 1 to 2 ozs per 5 gallons of drench method . I'm not sure where it was written - somewhere in the 1000 plus pages of this thread.
Please don't take my short replies the wrong way - intent and perception are often misconstrued .
Peace all
Buckshot317
Plant of the Month: Mar 2018
Doc Bud - High Brix Q&A With Pictures
Hey dajerm119 - I hope you don't feel like that for long. You shouldn't. It's only when people ask good questions and/or are open about their mistakes that stuff comes to the fore and things that need to be get worked out. DopeyLemonTree said it well. It's been a totally excellent discussion for someone like me who is still assessing the viability of using the kit in the future.
I also don't think that Graytail was having a go at you or shortchanging you in the credit department. I took him to mean more, that it's the kind of thing a grower comes to know over time growing and growing with the kit, so much so that it becomes instinct. Like getting to know a particular strain. Anyway - I think odd little mistakes like that can lead to deeper knowledge and understanding, often for more people than just the person who err'd. That's why it's important to share them - so thanks.
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So ... how many gallons would you like to use? Two plants ... 2 gallons? ... 1.5 gallons? If 2 gallons, multiply by 80%. 1.5 gallons, multiply by 60%. My 6 gallon pots will usually take about 3/4 gallon each.
This is one of those instinctive things that a grower should know, like how light the pots should be before watering. And when you water, how much do the plants use?
Hey dajerm119 - I hope you don't feel like that for long. You shouldn't. It's only when people ask good questions and/or are open about their mistakes that stuff comes to the fore and things that need to be get worked out. DopeyLemonTree said it well. It's been a totally excellent discussion for someone like me who is still assessing the viability of using the kit in the future.
I also don't think that Graytail was having a go at you or shortchanging you in the credit department. I took him to mean more, that it's the kind of thing a grower comes to know over time growing and growing with the kit, so much so that it becomes instinct. Like getting to know a particular strain. Anyway - I think odd little mistakes like that can lead to deeper knowledge and understanding, often for more people than just the person who err'd. That's why it's important to share them - so thanks.
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