DIY Odor Control Bucket
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Hmm I didn't think about that.
Thank you very much for the input
Hmm I didn't think about that.
Thank you very much for the input
Re: Roseman's DIY Odor Control Bucket
You don't have to by ONA gel either,,,if you go to Home depot or Loews they have knock offs for half the price. Loews carries one called Natural Magic odor absorbing gel. The water absorbing crystals will make your bucket last longer too!
You don't have to by ONA gel either,,,if you go to Home depot or Loews they have knock offs for half the price. Loews carries one called Natural Magic odor absorbing gel. The water absorbing crystals will make your bucket last longer too!
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In 2006, I did my first grow, in one end of that closet with one tank, I was given 6 free N/L seeds and 6 W/W seeds from a friend , I started 3 of each, and I had two 65 watt CFLs for VEG. One 2700K and one 6500K bulb. Back then in 2006, 65 watt was the largest bulb available and the 85 watt bulb was introduced, so I bought two more 85 watt bulbs for the Flowering. I finished with 3 females, two runts one giant, and 4 ounces on my first grow and I was proud. I almost kept the closet door closed that entire grow and I had NO heat.
On my 2nd grow, I added a 2nd tank, I started 12 seeds, I added 2 85s and 4 42s, and I got 9 ounces. And with each grow, (I just completed my 8th grow) I added more CFLs and just kept adding CFLs. Each grow cost me about $60 to $100 for nutes and $60 to $100 for more bulbs, and I was spending $200 to harvest a pound of dried very closely manicured buds.
All those grows are documented at another site.
On my first grow, and 2nd and 3rd, being a newbie, I did not want to spend a lot of money, I was just learning the hydro process. I kept telling myself "next grow, I am going to HID Lights and Venting" and I just never did. I kept spending $200 to get another pound that lasts me a year. I only grow for my own personal use and I only need a pound a year to be able to share a little with a couple of other smokers.
With 1200 watts of CFLS, the room or closet never got hot, and never needed venting. In the hotest part of summer, I had central air and in the coldest part of winter, I had central heat. The room temp stayed in the 70s and the closet stayed int he 80s, and I was able to keep my reservoir water at 65 to 70 degrees no matter what time of year it was. I have learned to do my grows in cold months, it is just easier to warm a cold room, than to cool a warm room. All done with 2 cheap fans, one larger oscilating fan and one very small fan. I live in a rural electric co-op area, pay 6 cents for electricity and my bill goes up $35 to $45 a month when I do a grow now. First few grows was only like $20 to $25 a month.
On my 7th grow, I had 900 watts and got 16 ounces of dried manicured buds.
On my 7th and 8th grow, I used some one and two year OLD bulbs that were not putting out as good as new, I just hated to throw them away, although I should have tossed them.
Newbs, (Like I was) don't seem to want to start out with HID Lights, or cool tubes or having to VENT the heat. I sure didn't. I like showing a newb how to get a five gallon bucket, or a ten gallon tank, a water pump, a air pump, an air stone and spend $54 on lights, and get 4 to 6 ounces for his investment of less than $150. I seldom see a newb wanting to start growing 40 ounces his first grow, or
2nd or 3rd grow even. If he is or wants to be a commercial grower or big time grower, he needs to find a different teacher and a different way than I teach. But I just don't see first time growers with that goal.
I am not an expert or very knowlegable about big grows and HID lights. I only know alot about Deep Water Culture and I love sharing knowledge and teaching. But over the past 4 years, I have taught hundreds of newbs how to do a simple first and easy grow with CFLs. And that has been my goal, one I am very proud of.
In 2006, I did my first grow, in one end of that closet with one tank, I was given 6 free N/L seeds and 6 W/W seeds from a friend , I started 3 of each, and I had two 65 watt CFLs for VEG. One 2700K and one 6500K bulb. Back then in 2006, 65 watt was the largest bulb available and the 85 watt bulb was introduced, so I bought two more 85 watt bulbs for the Flowering. I finished with 3 females, two runts one giant, and 4 ounces on my first grow and I was proud. I almost kept the closet door closed that entire grow and I had NO heat.
On my 2nd grow, I added a 2nd tank, I started 12 seeds, I added 2 85s and 4 42s, and I got 9 ounces. And with each grow, (I just completed my 8th grow) I added more CFLs and just kept adding CFLs. Each grow cost me about $60 to $100 for nutes and $60 to $100 for more bulbs, and I was spending $200 to harvest a pound of dried very closely manicured buds.
All those grows are documented at another site.
On my first grow, and 2nd and 3rd, being a newbie, I did not want to spend a lot of money, I was just learning the hydro process. I kept telling myself "next grow, I am going to HID Lights and Venting" and I just never did. I kept spending $200 to get another pound that lasts me a year. I only grow for my own personal use and I only need a pound a year to be able to share a little with a couple of other smokers.
With 1200 watts of CFLS, the room or closet never got hot, and never needed venting. In the hotest part of summer, I had central air and in the coldest part of winter, I had central heat. The room temp stayed in the 70s and the closet stayed int he 80s, and I was able to keep my reservoir water at 65 to 70 degrees no matter what time of year it was. I have learned to do my grows in cold months, it is just easier to warm a cold room, than to cool a warm room. All done with 2 cheap fans, one larger oscilating fan and one very small fan. I live in a rural electric co-op area, pay 6 cents for electricity and my bill goes up $35 to $45 a month when I do a grow now. First few grows was only like $20 to $25 a month.
On my 7th grow, I had 900 watts and got 16 ounces of dried manicured buds.
On my 7th and 8th grow, I used some one and two year OLD bulbs that were not putting out as good as new, I just hated to throw them away, although I should have tossed them.
Newbs, (Like I was) don't seem to want to start out with HID Lights, or cool tubes or having to VENT the heat. I sure didn't. I like showing a newb how to get a five gallon bucket, or a ten gallon tank, a water pump, a air pump, an air stone and spend $54 on lights, and get 4 to 6 ounces for his investment of less than $150. I seldom see a newb wanting to start growing 40 ounces his first grow, or
2nd or 3rd grow even. If he is or wants to be a commercial grower or big time grower, he needs to find a different teacher and a different way than I teach. But I just don't see first time growers with that goal.
I am not an expert or very knowlegable about big grows and HID lights. I only know alot about Deep Water Culture and I love sharing knowledge and teaching. But over the past 4 years, I have taught hundreds of newbs how to do a simple first and easy grow with CFLs. And that has been my goal, one I am very proud of.
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one thng you need to remember is a noob is here for the info and experience if i spent what even on the cheap side id spend uh 100 per bulb you need two , a ballast a reflector soils nutes etc.. if a noob looks at my list and they have its like a thrd lang.to them cfls are a good way for a noob to see the growth and rewards of growing but the process can be overwhelming when moneies tight
one thng you need to remember is a noob is here for the info and experience if i spent what even on the cheap side id spend uh 100 per bulb you need two , a ballast a reflector soils nutes etc.. if a noob looks at my list and they have its like a thrd lang.to them cfls are a good way for a noob to see the growth and rewards of growing but the process can be overwhelming when moneies tight
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as i can surely say hes helped me and my grow from day 1 ...you go from student to teacher and if not you didnt pay attention..why are we here?
as i can surely say hes helped me and my grow from day 1 ...you go from student to teacher and if not you didnt pay attention..why are we here?
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Horses for courses definately amigo.
I went the other route and spent a small fortune by my standards but in reality after just one harvest it should be money recouped. I only grow for personal use and about 5 ounces every 3 months of decent stuff should cover me I think. in 6 months I will be ahead of the game and saving money, a big bonus on top of already having a better smoke and no hassles of obtaining my next score. Love it!
Keep doing what works!
Saludos
Horses for courses definately amigo.
I went the other route and spent a small fortune by my standards but in reality after just one harvest it should be money recouped. I only grow for personal use and about 5 ounces every 3 months of decent stuff should cover me I think. in 6 months I will be ahead of the game and saving money, a big bonus on top of already having a better smoke and no hassles of obtaining my next score. Love it!
Keep doing what works!
Saludos
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thank you, Green007, justintyme2.
thank you, Green007, justintyme2.
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I'll add my 2 cents. Although I was an experienced soil grower of regular garden plants I was very unsure of my abilities to grow what we grow now. I started with the BP system and cfl's and did realize it was a starter system. Minimal investment to prove the concept if you will.
In my quest to grow larger quanities (I want to be a caregiver when it's legal in my state) I made it my mission to learn as many ways to grow as I could. I still use my BP system ( 2 of them in fact) for most of my grows but now I have HID's with cfl augmentation, have switched to a better nutient pack, bought various additives,added fans and vent the HID into the ceiling of my closet, overnuted, undernuted,had pest problems, heat problems, and water quality problems just to name a few. I know this is a work in progress and there is always a better way to grow and/or increase your yield. I however have not lost sight of the need for some growers to start small because of living arrangements, finances or a black thumb due to lack of basic knowledge and relish the opportunity to help the small grower achieve max results for them. Many have gone the same way as I but I find it hard to believe that I would have been as successful as I am without learning along the way. It's ready, aim, fire!
This goes for order control also. The talk here is only proof that we have much to learn and much to teach each other.
I'll add my 2 cents. Although I was an experienced soil grower of regular garden plants I was very unsure of my abilities to grow what we grow now. I started with the BP system and cfl's and did realize it was a starter system. Minimal investment to prove the concept if you will.
In my quest to grow larger quanities (I want to be a caregiver when it's legal in my state) I made it my mission to learn as many ways to grow as I could. I still use my BP system ( 2 of them in fact) for most of my grows but now I have HID's with cfl augmentation, have switched to a better nutient pack, bought various additives,added fans and vent the HID into the ceiling of my closet, overnuted, undernuted,had pest problems, heat problems, and water quality problems just to name a few. I know this is a work in progress and there is always a better way to grow and/or increase your yield. I however have not lost sight of the need for some growers to start small because of living arrangements, finances or a black thumb due to lack of basic knowledge and relish the opportunity to help the small grower achieve max results for them. Many have gone the same way as I but I find it hard to believe that I would have been as successful as I am without learning along the way. It's ready, aim, fire!
This goes for order control also. The talk here is only proof that we have much to learn and much to teach each other.
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I agree with everything being said overall, this is a lot of what makes this forum stand out as briliant, apart from the fact that some newbies dont 'have' to start of with the minimum requirements, we may want to start off with all the gadgets that can help towards a great end product. Of course this is more to do with budgets as oppose to being new or experienced in many cases.
Either way we all have a lot to learn and the learning is great fun wherever your starting point. I think Rosemans work is invaluable and hope he keeps producing such interesting work.
I agree with everything being said overall, this is a lot of what makes this forum stand out as briliant, apart from the fact that some newbies dont 'have' to start of with the minimum requirements, we may want to start off with all the gadgets that can help towards a great end product. Of course this is more to do with budgets as oppose to being new or experienced in many cases.
Either way we all have a lot to learn and the learning is great fun wherever your starting point. I think Rosemans work is invaluable and hope he keeps producing such interesting work.
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Absolutely right, 3lions. It's all about where you want to start and where you want to end up and it all depends on budget and for the time being whether you are in a legal state or not. In a closet grow cfl's are the way to maintain a certain amount of stealth when needed and there is a minimal bump in the electric bill in case you rent and can't be drilling holes in things. It takes all kinds and we are two of them.
Absolutely right, 3lions. It's all about where you want to start and where you want to end up and it all depends on budget and for the time being whether you are in a legal state or not. In a closet grow cfl's are the way to maintain a certain amount of stealth when needed and there is a minimal bump in the electric bill in case you rent and can't be drilling holes in things. It takes all kinds and we are two of them.
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My turn,
I bought the SH hydro kit in Sept. of '09 soon after I got my mmj registration. I didn't know anything about growing hydroponically, I had done a number of outdoor grows, but in Colorado that means one crop/year and then you have to have the property to do it. So hydroponics were the route for me, indoors meaning i can do it all year long, but I had no clue as to what I was doing.
I was able to get for the minimal investment, but I bought the hid right off thinking it would give me much better buds, but then I ran into Roseman on another site and he was using cfl's and getting great results! How did he do that? Well as luck would have it he had just started a very in depth tutorial on how to use the SH kit. I read every word, 3 times! I learned exactly how he did it and armed with this knowledge I went down to the dispensary and picked up the clones. I had absolutely no problems with the grow as I followed Roseman's advice to the letter. Check out my journal, the proof is right before your eyes. I did have problems with spider mites, but there's little Roseman could have said to prevent that.
I had a great harvest, not the quantity I was hoping for, but that was due to the size of my grow closet. Had I the room I would have blown your socks off! As it was I had two buds that added up to 8 oz, yes wet, but they were damn impressive. And it was all due to then advice I got from Roseman. Once I saw how helpful he and other Deep Water Culture (MC, you're the Chief) only seemed to be interested in helping me with my grow. Every time I had a question I'd put it up and within sometimes minutes I'd get several responses. A friend was over one day and I wanted to show him a pic of trichs when ripe, well I was too lazy to look for the pics on the site, I put out a request for those pics and within 5 minutes I had 4 responses with two different examples of the pics I was looking for, now that's what I mean help!
But, as Roseman has stated many times, the SH kit is only a starter kit. I made the investment and what I received was an excellent education on the ways of hydroponic cultivation. But the education was not limited to simply the SH kit, but it crosses all types of hydroponic cultivation as they are all related in one way or another.
Now, having learned what I did I can make the decision as to exactly what type of method of growing I will move on to. I took the time to learn correctly before going overboard blowing a ton of money on equipment that may or may not be appropriate for my situation.
I don't know. you may have some sort of super powers that allow you to step into any situation and know exactly how you want to do whatever with little to no experience at all in that field. I have not been so blessed, I was able to rely on Roseman and his knowledge to walk me through the first grow, but that is all I need. I am a fast learner and I don't forget what I've been taught. I'm also intelligent enough to take that knowledge and transfer it to whatever other method I chose to use in the future.
I agree totally with Roseman, you have to walk before you can run. I see how much time these guys spend with the newbies and it really pays off for all of us. I just saw one of the new guys answer a big question that The Butcher had, one of the big guys on this site. wowtestdrive really came through there, he's only been around for a month or so and already he's giving back to the community. I really feel as though Roseman has put forward a feeling of cooperation and comraderie among all of us that fosters the desire to want to be a part of what's going on and prove ourselves by being as helpful as possible.
So, yes, taken from the outside I can see where you may question his tack and what he hopes to accomplish. But stick around for a while, give it a try. You can grow however you want, all we ask is that you be respectful of others, and do your best to help when you can.
And as to proof that we do advance beyond those first baby steps, today I put in a $5,000 order for equipment, and yes, I am buying 4- 1000w hps lights and associated equipment. I'm also spending about $600 on heat mitigation, and will probably need to buy an a/c unit for the summer thanks to the hps'. CFL's are one hell of a lot cheaper in the long run.
My turn,
I bought the SH hydro kit in Sept. of '09 soon after I got my mmj registration. I didn't know anything about growing hydroponically, I had done a number of outdoor grows, but in Colorado that means one crop/year and then you have to have the property to do it. So hydroponics were the route for me, indoors meaning i can do it all year long, but I had no clue as to what I was doing.
I was able to get for the minimal investment, but I bought the hid right off thinking it would give me much better buds, but then I ran into Roseman on another site and he was using cfl's and getting great results! How did he do that? Well as luck would have it he had just started a very in depth tutorial on how to use the SH kit. I read every word, 3 times! I learned exactly how he did it and armed with this knowledge I went down to the dispensary and picked up the clones. I had absolutely no problems with the grow as I followed Roseman's advice to the letter. Check out my journal, the proof is right before your eyes. I did have problems with spider mites, but there's little Roseman could have said to prevent that.
I had a great harvest, not the quantity I was hoping for, but that was due to the size of my grow closet. Had I the room I would have blown your socks off! As it was I had two buds that added up to 8 oz, yes wet, but they were damn impressive. And it was all due to then advice I got from Roseman. Once I saw how helpful he and other Deep Water Culture (MC, you're the Chief) only seemed to be interested in helping me with my grow. Every time I had a question I'd put it up and within sometimes minutes I'd get several responses. A friend was over one day and I wanted to show him a pic of trichs when ripe, well I was too lazy to look for the pics on the site, I put out a request for those pics and within 5 minutes I had 4 responses with two different examples of the pics I was looking for, now that's what I mean help!
But, as Roseman has stated many times, the SH kit is only a starter kit. I made the investment and what I received was an excellent education on the ways of hydroponic cultivation. But the education was not limited to simply the SH kit, but it crosses all types of hydroponic cultivation as they are all related in one way or another.
Now, having learned what I did I can make the decision as to exactly what type of method of growing I will move on to. I took the time to learn correctly before going overboard blowing a ton of money on equipment that may or may not be appropriate for my situation.
I don't know. you may have some sort of super powers that allow you to step into any situation and know exactly how you want to do whatever with little to no experience at all in that field. I have not been so blessed, I was able to rely on Roseman and his knowledge to walk me through the first grow, but that is all I need. I am a fast learner and I don't forget what I've been taught. I'm also intelligent enough to take that knowledge and transfer it to whatever other method I chose to use in the future.
I agree totally with Roseman, you have to walk before you can run. I see how much time these guys spend with the newbies and it really pays off for all of us. I just saw one of the new guys answer a big question that The Butcher had, one of the big guys on this site. wowtestdrive really came through there, he's only been around for a month or so and already he's giving back to the community. I really feel as though Roseman has put forward a feeling of cooperation and comraderie among all of us that fosters the desire to want to be a part of what's going on and prove ourselves by being as helpful as possible.
So, yes, taken from the outside I can see where you may question his tack and what he hopes to accomplish. But stick around for a while, give it a try. You can grow however you want, all we ask is that you be respectful of others, and do your best to help when you can.
And as to proof that we do advance beyond those first baby steps, today I put in a $5,000 order for equipment, and yes, I am buying 4- 1000w hps lights and associated equipment. I'm also spending about $600 on heat mitigation, and will probably need to buy an a/c unit for the summer thanks to the hps'. CFL's are one hell of a lot cheaper in the long run.
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FryingPanFlyer, I'd give you some REP if it would let me. Thank you very much for the kind words.
FryingPanFlyer, I'd give you some REP if it would let me. Thank you very much for the kind words.
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And that's the way it should work and has worked most of the time. Congrats to the both of you!
And that's the way it should work and has worked most of the time. Congrats to the both of you!
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Yes, many of our growers are growing in a closet for a reason. If they rent then drilling holes is a no-no. Not everyone has a room because remember some growers are not in legal states. My dad didn't give me a new souped up car to learn how to drive and I didn't give my sons one either. This is how many people start out. I'm still using the BP systems, and use the reflectors for the CFL's as side lights. I learned how to use cfl as side lights from my experience with them on top. I needed to be taken from where I was at to where I want to be but I had to learn first.
You are right, most people who grow over an extended period of time end up with HID's. I bought my toys a little at a time when I fully understood what they could do for me and I could control their application.
Yes, many of our growers are growing in a closet for a reason. If they rent then drilling holes is a no-no. Not everyone has a room because remember some growers are not in legal states. My dad didn't give me a new souped up car to learn how to drive and I didn't give my sons one either. This is how many people start out. I'm still using the BP systems, and use the reflectors for the CFL's as side lights. I learned how to use cfl as side lights from my experience with them on top. I needed to be taken from where I was at to where I want to be but I had to learn first.
You are right, most people who grow over an extended period of time end up with HID's. I bought my toys a little at a time when I fully understood what they could do for me and I could control their application.
