Dennise - No Longer The Newest Of Newbies - Not Growing In MG - Perpetual

Denise,
Can you use the Growology system in regular soil? I'm thinking of ordering that system and I just wanted to see what kind of medium they/you recommend? Goes without saying your plants look great and I'll continue to follow along. I don't comment much because I'm in the middle of my 1st grow and don't feel I'm in a position to give advice, especially if something bad were to happen from something I'd wrote. Anyway, I enjoy your journals and all of the characters you've got following, please don't take this the wrong way, but it's really entertaining.

About the complaints, there will always be "The 10%" that have to be politically correct and are just, crybabies don't let it get to ya.

May all of your traffic lights be green.
 
grannyT said:
:angel:Dennise, I know you said you got your mind back, well, I just found out so I just lost mine. I won't rant and rave since you're over it except to say , you're one of the nicest members I've met on 420 and they're are a lot of nice ones.
grannyT
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I really do agree, Granny. The sweetest of the sweet. How darrrrrrrrrre! Hahaha. I have to learn to laugh shoot off. In the grand scheme of things, how important is it? So nothing. Not even a register on the blipper.
 
Chinnubie said:
Denise,
Can you use the Growology system in regular soil? I'm thinking of ordering that system and I just wanted to see what kind of medium they/you recommend? Goes without saying your plants look great and I'll continue to follow along. I don't comment much because I'm in the middle of my 1st grow and don't feel I'm in a position to give advice, especially if something bad were to happen from something I'd wrote. Anyway, I enjoy your journals and all of the characters you've got following, please don't take this the wrong way, but it's really entertaining.

About the complaints, there will always be "The 10%" that have to be politically correct and are just, crybabies don't let it get to ya.

May all of your traffic lights be green.
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Hi, Chinnubie - Yup, you can use it in regular soil, soilless potting mix - any plain media that is unfortified (no nutes already added to it) or not too hot from high-N ingredients like manure.
 
I have a question about OM. Certified organic fertilizer is never hot. It is a slow release process which requires life in the soil to be digested into useable form. Manure is hot because of the ammonia, not because of the N. Ammonia is N, but a form which is synthetic, hence the plant taking too much in, and burning.

How does Growology break down in the soil if you don't had life in some way? BTW, I consider mycorrhizae to be life, so it doesn't have to be biota, necessarily. Fungi exudes enough to break OM down in the soil. I know you do provide fungi in your Part One, so is this how it can break down in the soil?

I really do love the idea of your product. It sure does make growing indoors easier and less mess. I look forward to using it this winter.
 
Chinnubie said:
Denise,
Can you use the Growology system in regular soil? I'm thinking of ordering that system and I just wanted to see what kind of medium they/you recommend? Goes without saying your plants look great and I'll continue to follow along. I don't comment much because I'm in the middle of my 1st grow and don't feel I'm in a position to give advice, especially if something bad were to happen from something I'd wrote. Anyway, I enjoy your journals and all of the characters you've got following, please don't take this the wrong way, but it's really entertaining.

About the complaints, there will always be "The 10%" that have to be politically correct and are just, crybabies don't let it get to ya.

May all of your traffic lights be green.
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Thank you so much for the kind words and you are so correct about the 10%. There will always be the ones that if you don't do it their way you are wrong but as I have said before I truly am here to learn how to grow better meds not to offend or be offended and hopefully peeps like you will continue to find their way to here.....:circle-of-love:
timothypaul26 said:
I use growology in soil, seems to be working fine
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:passitleft: High timothy.....:circle-of-love:
grannyT said:
:angel:Dennise, I know you said you got your mind back, well, I just found out so I just lost mine. I won't rant and rave since you're over it except to say , you're one of the nicest members I've met on 420 and they're are a lot of nice ones.
grannyT
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You are a sweetheart Granny and thank you.... As long as the members like you keep staying around all the others will just fall away so let them go stir in their own pot... You know that birds of a feather thing.....:circle-of-love:
gardenfaerie said:
I really do agree, Granny. The sweetest of the sweet. How darrrrrrrrrre! Hahaha. I have to learn to laugh shoot off. In the grand scheme of things, how important is it? So nothing. Not even a register on the blipper.
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I have a really hard time with blowing things off Garden especially when I don't feel good but in reality all it does is feed them and they continue with the nonsense. If they don't get the response they want they will simply go away so let's just let them go away.....:circle-of-love:
Growology said:
Hi, Chinnubie - Yup, you can use it in regular soil, soilless potting mix - any plain media that is unfortified (no nutes already added to it) or not too hot from high-N ingredients like manure.
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Chin I am currently using Berger BM1 soil-less medium and no it has not been a good choice. I didn't know about gardening lime and you most certainly need it so I have ordered and am waiting on ProMix HP to get here which has all the needed things in it for the Growlogy system.... Of course John from Growology answered so I would certainly take anything he says over me. He makes the nutes but if the ProMix is not here soon I will be trying it in organic soil cause the Berger BM1 caused me a great deal of stress. It was not the medium it was my stupidity but if that is all you can find which Berger BM1 is peat moss, vermicutlite and perilite be sure and use cal/mag when you water where with ProMix I don't think you would have to do so... Jimmy6K is also using Growology and ProMix is the medium he is using. His results say it all....:circle-of-love:
gardenfaerie said:
I have a question about OM. Certified organic fertilizer is never hot. It is a slow release process which requires life in the soil to be digested into useable form. Manure is hot because of the ammonia, not because of the N. Ammonia is N, but a form which is synthetic, hence the plant taking too much in, and burning.

How does Growology break down in the soil if you don't had life in some way? BTW, I consider mycorrhizae to be life, so it doesn't have to be biota, necessarily. Fungi exudes enough to break OM down in the soil. I know you do provide fungi in your Part One, so is this how it can break down in the soil?

I really do love the idea of your product. It sure does make growing indoors easier and less mess. I look forward to using it this winter.
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I would certainly wait for John to answer but I am pretty sure the answer is yes.....:circle-of-love:
 
Dennise, doesn't the Berger have calcium to balance ph? It must. :scratchinghead: If not, ph is gonna be way low ... :straightface:
 
gardenfaerie said:
I have a question about OM. Certified organic fertilizer is never hot. It is a slow release process which requires life in the soil to be digested into useable form. Manure is hot because of the ammonia, not because of the N. Ammonia is N, but a form which is synthetic, hence the plant taking too much in, and burning.

How does Growology break down in the soil if you don't had life in some way? BTW, I consider mycorrhizae to be life, so it doesn't have to be biota, necessarily. Fungi exudes enough to break OM down in the soil. I know you do provide fungi in your Part One, so is this how it can break down in the soil?

I really do love the idea of your product. It sure does make growing indoors easier and less mess. I look forward to using it this winter.
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Hi, GF - You're right, as far as plants are concerned, the primary difference in organic and non-organic nutrients is the availability of the nutrients for uptake by the plant. In organic media, those ingredients are released over time as the media is broken down, while in non-organic growing, nutrients are available to the plant immediately, leading to the possibility of "burning" from overfeeding. By "hot" soil, I simply meant soil with a lot of nitrogen in it, whether immediately available or stored in an ingredient like manure to be released later - either way, using Growology at full strength will result in too much nitrogen being available to the plant in that media, if not immediately, then during a subsequent feeding. I'm going to stop referring to those kind of media as "hot," though, to avoid any confusion!

As far as breaking down goes, the primary way any water soluble fertilizer is broken down is simply by being dissolved in water, which breaks larger molecules down into simpler, smaller ones. Some of those "broken down" molecules will be nutrients the plant will absorb and be nourished by in various ways, and some are compounds the nutrients "rode into town" on. These can dissipate into the atmosphere as gases or they can be flushed from the soil in the water that drains out the bottom of your pots when you feed or when you flush your plants at the end of their life. Inevitably, some will build up in the growing media as well, but Growology is made with ingredients chosen partly for their tendency not to build up, which is more common with lower quality (though not necessarily cheaper) fertilizers. Mycorrhizae definitely participate in the uptake of nutrients by the plant, but I'm not sure whether they play a role in the breakdown of the byproduct molecules, to be completely honest. We recently posted a very interesting white paper on mycorrhizae on the D&S Facebook page (NOT written by us - we simply posted it - don't want to take credit for someone else's fine work) if you care to check it out. Definitely worth a read.

It's to your credit, GF, that you're an advocate of organic gardening but you're also open-minded enough to incorporate other things into your regimen when they meet your and your plants' needs. In talking to so very many people about this topic over the past few years, I have found a great number of them to be stubborn, inflexible and even self-righteous about the whole topic. To each his own, but those who keep a more open mind can save a little money and get fantastic results while still using methods that are environmentally sound, especially on the scale and under the conditions people like us are talking about.

John
 
Graytail said:
Dennise, doesn't the Berger have calcium to balance ph? It must. :scratchinghead: If not, ph is gonna be way low ... :straightface:
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Hence the reason I thought my Wild Thai and OG Kush were dying but started adding the cal/mag and poffff they are perfect again. Nope all that is in it is the moss, vermiculite and perilite.... Yea I know... I'm a dumb azz.......:circle-of-love:
 
Growology said:
Hi, GF - You're right, as far as plants are concerned, the primary difference in organic and non-organic nutrients is the availability of the nutrients for uptake by the plant. In organic media, those ingredients are released over time as the media is broken down, while in non-organic growing, nutrients are available to the plant immediately, leading to the possibility of "burning" from overfeeding. By "hot" soil, I simply meant soil with a lot of nitrogen in it, whether immediately available or stored in an ingredient like manure to be released later - either way, using Growology at full strength will result in too much nitrogen being available to the plant in that media, if not immediately, then during a subsequent feeding. I'm going to stop referring to those kind of media as "hot," though, to avoid any confusion!

As far as breaking down goes, the primary way any water soluble fertilizer is broken down is simply by being dissolved in water, which breaks larger molecules down into simpler, smaller ones. Some of those "broken down" molecules will be nutrients the plant will absorb and be nourished by in various ways, and some are compounds the nutrients "rode into town" on. These can dissipate into the atmosphere as gases or they can be flushed from the soil in the water that drains out the bottom of your pots when you feed or when you flush your plants at the end of their life. Inevitably, some will build up in the growing media as well, but Growology is made with ingredients chosen partly for their tendency not to build up, which is more common with lower quality (though not necessarily cheaper) fertilizers. Mycorrhizae definitely participate in the uptake of nutrients by the plant, but I'm not sure whether they play a role in the breakdown of the byproduct molecules, to be completely honest. We recently posted a very interesting white paper on mycorrhizae on the D&S Facebook page (NOT written by us - we simply posted it - don't want to take credit for someone else's fine work) if you care to check it out. Definitely worth a read.

It's to your credit, GF, that you're an advocate of organic gardening but you're also open-minded enough to incorporate other things into your regimen when they meet your and your plants' needs. In talking to so very many people about this topic over the past few years, I have found a great number of them to be stubborn, inflexible and even self-righteous about the whole topic. To each his own, but those who keep a more open mind can save a little money and get fantastic results while still using methods that are environmentally sound, especially on the scale and under the conditions people like us are talking about.

John
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Thank you to both John's! Mychorrizae exudes enzymes which do help break down nutrients into useable form. That is one of the beautiful things about it and then how it transfers symbiotically is phenomena in my estimation.

For many years I was a fundamentalist organic mental case. I made many enemies in the industry of growing bedding plants. I lost a very lucrative job because of my big mouth and refusal to accept anything other than my limited list of materials. You know, thirty years ago organics were relegated to similar marketing of their products as we see in cannabis growing. Lots of Mr. Natural cartoon style imagery, etc. Nobody took anything too seriously. Not even Rachel Carson could have changed that mentality back then.

These days the one real thing I am utterly against are organophosphate derived pesticides. No neurotoxins for this woman. Fertilizer is another subject, but was not a long time ago. I've eased up quite a bit, but truth be told, the recent decade has put so many amazing products on the shelves of top rate garden centers that we no longer have any reason to use anything other than organic. It makes sense and is better for the plants. And that may very well be an opinion, as well.

Cannabis is one plant I grow. My plant list for the gardens is long with about 200 species all total...most native. My experience is broad so maybe where cannabis is concerned I have to openly admit I have a lot to learn! You sure did make it easy as far as your product is concerned.
 
That can be a reason why the stems turn purple. Red stems on the top and red stems on the underside can indicate a calcium and magnesium deficiency, Red stems on the top and green on the underside is normal and healthy and is a normal reaction to intense lighting.
 
KingJohnC said:
That can be a reason why the stems turn purple. Red stems on the top and red stems on the underside can indicate a calcium and magnesium deficiency, Red stems on the top and green on the underside is normal and healthy and is a normal reaction to intense lighting.
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Thanxx, that's good to know.
 
KingJohnC said:
That can be a reason why the stems turn purple. Red stems on the top and red stems on the underside can indicate a calcium and magnesium deficiency, Red stems on the top and green on the underside is normal and healthy and is a normal reaction to intense lighting.
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John thank you for the info I have learned something new today now I can get medicated and chill lol
keep it real John!:peace::circle-of-love::green_heart::green_heart:RoorRip:passitleft::bigtoke::party::rollit::ganjamon::woohoo:
 
Yes Dennise Chill out and :lot-o-toke:. Don't let people disturb your :circle-of-love: cause they win and I know you are not a loser. One love D baby lets leave the haters to hate for they have nothing better to do.
 
I'm with Harley...:passitleft: and Latin this is for you...:passitleft: and I couldn't agree more. I got both my pastures bush hogged today and that runs off the critters and snakes and makes it look all pretty and manicured and even got my 4th of July screen painted and set in the yard so I really don't have time for all that silliness...
King...:adore:... thank you for all the info. It does explain a lot of things from my past grow I never did understand......:circle-of-love:
 
I have a couple of pics of the Garden girls... As you can see Broke Ass the Garden girl is most certainly looking like she is in bloom but the buds looked the same the day I put her outside......:circle-of-love:
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