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What is it called if different clones of the same plant express different traits under different conditions? Is that epigenetics?
Nice spread from that harvest!!!
And so pleased lil GZ is properly sprung
She’s got roots now.
Good to see you CC. Thank you for your kind words. I hope your garden is in good shape.Garden is looking beautiful as ever and congrats on the new lighting! All is very much well deserved!
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I hope everyone is as well as can be and keeping safe from the virus.
I also have another 150g of spent pucks I’m going to decarb and infuse. I will add that to the CBD-infused EVOO and that will go for capsules.
The rosins will be blended in the Candida-infused almond oil for different dosing oils and topicals.
Perhaps I should park the next Candida in this spot?
Epigenetics is traits created by different environmental conditions.
Emeraldo
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For example? It seems to me -- an ignorant creature not unlike a donkey -- that different clones cut from the same mother plant could grow into very different individuals, particularly if the growing conditions were very different.
A clone grown at your house, my house, and DD's stable could turn out to look like different phenos in the end, when really it's epigenetics.
As an example a clone grown in direct sun could be short and bushy. A clone from the same mom grown in shade will be tall and leggy. That’s Epigenetics at work. Different clones from the same mother can express different phenotypical expressions.
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syenite
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Is there even a clear line between genetic inheritance and epigenetic divergence within a phenotype?
I’m not sure if you would see a difference with one or 2 runs. If you really know a strain you could probably make distinctions
The Celt
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Maybe a good example of the difference would be clones from the same mother grown under the sun verses under plain white LED light. The most obvious difference you would see between the 2 clones would be leaf size. Outdoors the fans would be much larger than indoors. This difference would be entirely due to light source (environment) rather than genetics.
Emeraldo
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If that can happen with clones, why not from seed as well?
The Celt
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When grown from seed, then you are dealing with phenotype as well...clones will be the same phenotype and then differences must be related to environment
Emeraldo
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I guess my question is: wouldn't the epigenetic differences (responding to different conditions, e.g., shade or sun) also appear in plants grown from seed if the conditions are there? Or would that occur only in clones?
The Celt
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No they will occur in seed plants as well, but some variations such as structure, smell, taste etc could be due to phenotype rather than environment.
For example,
if you have 4 seed plants of a single strain, grown indoors under the same conditions, the variation between those 4 plants would be most likely due to phenotype.
on the other hand, if you have 4 clones grown under the same light, in the same room, but grew 2 in LOS and 2 you fed nutes to, then differences would be due to environment rather than phenotype as clones are genetically identical and therefore the same phenotype.
Hope that helps mate
For example,
if you have 4 seed plants of a single strain, grown indoors under the same conditions, the variation between those 4 plants would be most likely due to phenotype.
on the other hand, if you have 4 clones grown under the same light, in the same room, but grew 2 in LOS and 2 you fed nutes to, then differences would be due to environment rather than phenotype as clones are genetically identical and therefore the same phenotype.
Hope that helps mate
Fredwak
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Hi all, love this kind of discussion. Reminds me of the bet between Mortimer and Randall in the movie "Trading Places". Environment vs Genetics. (And everything affecting everything
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Hum. Heigh! Ha. Hang on a hang a hee-haw hoo, just stop a silage sucking second, wait.. what was the question? You’re quite right, though.
Rerunning clones of one in particular, a bagseed, she showed at various times single-bladed and eleven-fingered leaves and everything between. She gave me polyploidal tops and well-formed single colas too. I saw pith autolysis with her, with the hollow stems, and solid wood too.
All from one seed crossed with a certain amount of carelessly curated equine ignorance, apparently.
I just finished a jar of her’s now. One more in flower, untrained but looking nice, and two more in veg behind her.
Me too, Fred
I haven’t seen the film, but yes. The perennial nature vs nurture debate.Here’s something that’s just down to plain physics, pure and simple.
Alaskan Purple grown in New Zealand?
This is what happens when you try to take a chemovar adapted to the northern hemisphere and try to run it down under.
One of her sisters comes out in a few days. I might have mentioned already I’m quite liking this one.
Here’s another we haven’t seen for a while
This is the reset on the veg tent. I’ll be emptying it out for a decent spring clean this weekend.
Thanks for keeping stuff rolling while my thumbs have been preoccupied.
Have good days, good people.
The Celt
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You guys down under just have to be different, roots growing UP and toilets spinning the wrong way when you flush
There's a horticultural cornucopia in that tent!
Fredwak
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Do your NASCAR drivers only turn right?You guys down under just have to be different, roots growing UP and toilets spinning the wrong way when you flush
Emeraldo
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Great to learn about this stuff.
So, continuing our edu-tainment regarding nature vs. nurture, our hypthetical plant (clone or seed) would appear to have two kinds of trait-drivers: (a) phenotypical traits and (b) environmentally driven "epigenetic" kinds of things.
Phenotypical traits would be general leaf shape, terpenes, plant structure, height, maybe yield amount -- things we as growers can select for, but which are largely given in the genes and will appear again and again to some extent. We can select those traits and try to reproduce them.
Epigenetic things are, I guess, basic plant functions such as reaching up to the light if plants are in the shade or, if in the sun, not needing to grow tall up into the light because there is enough light or putting roots out upside down if grown Down Under in Donkey Member's den (just testing whether anyone reads what I write). I guess a nutrient deficiency or toxicity that appears in some sister plants and not others might fall into the epigenetic category, being directly an impact from environment.