Cultivators 7200w Build And Grow Perpetual

Hey cult, I was reading some thread from diff forums and noticed this thread never got a reply. I m curious as to what your reply would be to the following:
i want to do a mediumless water culture in bubble buckets, but i need something tha twill support the many large buds my plant will grow

i was thinking of useing a pool noodle and net pot, but i been thinking what about marbles??

could u use glass marbles instead of hydroton?? i know thay dont wick or hold water but i would keep the net pot 2 inches under water like when u start new plants


marbles are heavyer than hydroton and wont grow fungus gnats, and are easy to clean. i would start the seedling or clone in perlite then rince off the perlite after it roots and place in an empty net pot and fill with marbles to support it

then the water lvl would be higher than it is with hydroton, cuz marbles dont wick or hold water. so the bottom 2 inches of the net pot would be in the res at all times

anyway would this work???i would get prolly a biger net pot than normal liek an 8 inch if i can find them.

i just want the marbles to be a heavy suport for the lower stem above the water lvl. and the roots will grow through the botom inch of marbles and thrroug hthe net pot holes, wich would make the plant abble to hold buds just as if it was planted in dirt

what do u guys think, the weight of the marbles arounnd the base of the stem mix wit the roots growing through the net pot . think it will hold a plant that gets 4 to 5 feet tall plant grown from seed budding under 400w HPS"



so their it is what are your thoughts...fyi I am not doing this but was curious as to the concept behind it and figure if I had you answer it I would learn a lot.

thanks for your time Cult
 
Anyone know what is wrong wit this plant?
Its in a DWC with drip timer system. I just moved the plants from one location across town to a new location. When I was filling the res with fresh water adn nutes I forgot to chekc temp of water adn for like 15 minutes the plants went through a cold shock to the roots adn all wilted over ..I thought they were dead for sure!
I switched to an old classic style 1,000 watt LED panel from topledgrowlight. the space is onle a 2x3 closet. my friends who are now caring for the plant tell me that thetemps were way to high so they been keeping the closet door open. Temps have been around 75-80 most of the time except for the few times the door was closed.

As you can see in the pciture the new growth on the top of the plants is turning yellow. I had the water drip system on a timer 15 on and 45minutes off. with roots hanging down into the DWC.

35-45 RHM
75-80 degress
DWC/drip system ( drip on a 15/45 on/off schedule)
Newly transported
recovering from 40degrees cold water shock.
they just started the preflowering and all showed their sex as female.
they are Autoflower plants with about 5-6.5 weeks left( i have four strains so its a little different for each)

My thoughts are the yellow is from too much heat from the LED panel when the doors were closed. Also the PH was told that it is at around 6.5. I said it needed to be lowered to 6.0.

Anyway.. what do you think? I can not tell if the leaves are drooping away from light and turning yellow because of too much light intensity with combination of high temps and low humidity. Which was an issue before I told them to open the closet door.





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ive had and still have time to time plants growing against the led light and it doesn't look like that
maybe a lockout from the ph or temp shock?
 
I wouldn't be able to tell if its the roots how do they look?
I guess depending on what nutes your using if they are gonna be white or not
maybe just the shock did it?
slowed down uptake of nutes until it gets over it
 
Morning Cultivator. I see you make butter from your trim. I know how to make butter and always wondered why not use the trim instead of just buds. Could you in part a little trim butter knowledge on me so I can stop throwing it away.
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I'll make a vid next week mate. im fighting tomorrow and judging a show on Sun so really busy with that and grows. But i'll show u guys how i make the butter soon.
 
@DankyDavid

i need a pic with led off and of roots also to try get a full proper diagnosis. However here are my thoughts:

Water temps to low, try get it between 65-68f ideally. but anywhere between 60-70f will be fine.

PH is way out. It matters what nutes u are using as they all are made differently. highly chelated nutes are best for hydro. Canna Aqua vega/flores or Advanced nutes PH perfect are good. Set ph @5.5 intially then see if it goes high or low after 24-48 hours. let me know what it goes to then can work that out too.

If roots are in res stop top feeding. The plants dont need it. Make sure there is plenty of air in the res, u cant have too many airstones.

those are small net pots, are u planning on flowering in that set up? if so u really should flip soon because it will never hold mature plants. The speed they will grow when u flip is real fast.


Ur question about using marbles as a medium is i dont know, ive never done it. I cant see why it would be a prob though. A 4-5 foot plant under a 400w hps would be pointless imo, u wouldnt get alot of light penetration, it would be far better to grow a short bushy plant. Hydroton works perfectly as a medium in dwc, why change what isnt broke. i grow large dwc plants and the weight of the root ball keeps plant where it needs to be and u can tie buds up with string or use a screen to hold the weight.
 
Actually that picture is of Autos and they are auto-matically starting to flower. Actually they started 4 days ago..so with pre-flowering phase is about done.
Lastly that sysem was from this place-superponics-16-hydroponic-system

.As soon as this one is done I will be switching over to a regular non auto strain...so i can actually learn more about pruning and shaping my plant during veg to prepare for the kind of flowering I want..ie super cropping or scrog etc..

In all honesty I really do and dont want to gro. What i want is to find someone in Connecticut that I can sponsor with my lights and partner up with while not having to be the one to really care for the plants. I don't have time to do all that I want ...all at the same moment.


I been thinking about them oxypots systems. Or a mediumless DWC. Do you ever grow mediumless DWC? whats you experience with that versus using a medium?
 
how would it hold itself up without any medium inert or otherwise? or keep light out from the res?
I had a lot of problems with small netpot in the bucket lid when I started
and the reason why is they guy was saying why would you need them so big lol
I know why now I use 6 inch netpot lids now most of the time the plant will hold itself pretty well in there
only that last chemdog I grew was leaning and heavy enough to start lifting the lid
the small ones you make a hole in the top of something once the plant gets bigger they tend to pop out if the weight is leaning
to one side pain in the ass

Chronic Weekend to you Cult :thumb:
 
Cronichemphog said:
ive had and still have time to time plants growing against the led light and it doesn't look like that
maybe a lockout from the ph or temp shock?
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What do you mean by "growing against the LED light"?
 
literally growing against the light
im sure you've seen it in some of my journal pics
 
SO I was able to swing back over to see my little girls and found the problem. The ait pupm had been switche dto low accdently during transport and I did not double check it. On top of that the air hoses pinched up so their was only like 15-20% of air bubbling in watter.
SO my roots were dying and un ablet to take up nutes ue to lack of oxygen in water...lol

well I will never make that mistake again!'
IM gonna show you the pic
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again. they turned this color in 1 days time..
 
I agree with chronic. U want a larger net pot min 6" but 10" if planning really big plants. And an inert media. U could put plants in neoprene disks instead of.net pots but a plant of anyreasonable.size would out grow that quickly.
 
Cultivator said:
I agree with chronic. U want a larger net pot min 6" but 10" if planning really big plants. And an inert media. U could put plants in neoprene disks instead of.net pots but a plant of anyreasonable.size would out grow that quickly.
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I agree with this, i'm using 4" net pots at the moment and i've had to remove some clay pebbles to give it some room in there.

Cult, when you clone with neoprene disks, how do you then transplant to DWC, do you do it without any meduim such as Rockwool or Root Riot? And just use clay pebbles? Sorry if you;ve already answered this. saves me hiking through pages :)
 
hey google im not sure how cult does his and im sure hell tell you when he gets back
I just split a rooting plug (like rapid rooter) open and stick it in hold it close with some toothpicks l
do this because ive tried to just stick it in the netpot and bury it with hydroton it doesn't hold itself up so well in the beginning when you still need the roots to establish itself in the netpot and bucket
it holds itself up a bit better with the rooting plug
just what I do
 
Yeah..it was just a question to start a conversation...But I sure got a lot of responses. Like I mentioned before..this set up was for small little atuoflowers so a 3" net seemed fine as the plants were not suppose to get more than 15-20" tall as max growth height for the strains.

Yeah I been learning a lot here... 6-10" pots is why I even asked you about the Oxypot because those provide a bigger medium pot(bag). then the hydro I have.
Cultivator said:
I agree with chronic. U want a larger net pot min 6" but 10" if planning really big plants. And an inert media. U could put plants in neoprene disks instead of.net pots but a plant of anyreasonable.size would out grow that quickly.
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