Conradino23 Keeps On Keeping On Outdoor & Indoor Using LOS/High Brix Methods

Both oyster flour and eggshells contain calcium carbonate, which is Ca + carbon to put it simply :)

PH is a number of hydrogen ions in a solution, so if a given mineral doesn’t contain it PH can’t go down.

However calcium will push it up, which is what we want to enable its absorption. In other words calcium has to be the main cation responsible for base saturation together with K, Mg and H, but in much lower number.

How much will be available for the plant depends on the CEC though. The higher it is, the more calcium cations will stick to the colloids in soil and will become part of exchangeable cations, which means will be diluted in water and get to the roots when water is in soil.
 
More hash is coming... WQ will take her time to dry properly and then I’ll chip popcorn mix it with trim and pull some dry sift.

I jarred JH#1, still fresh but lovely smoke. Potency is probably in the upper teens, but gets you high amazingly. Beautiful, smooth carry on feeling with no jolts. Extremely relaxing, but no real heaviness. Starts smelling like fermented fruit :smokin2:
 
conradino23 said:
More hash is coming... WQ will take her time to dry properly and then I’ll chip popcorn mix it with trim and pull some dry sift.

I jarred JH#1, still fresh but lovely smoke. Potency is probably in the upper teens, but gets you high amazingly. Beautiful, smooth carry on feeling with no jolts. Extremely relaxing, but no real heaviness. Starts smelling like fermented fruit :smokin2:
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got to love that hash well im really happy that plant turned out to be something you look forward to toking that's alaways a nice feature in a plant sounds like real nice smoke good job con!:)
 
conradino23 said:
Taking the reading is pretty straightforward. Pushing the plant into HB territory is a PITA sometimes. A lot depends on the genetics and not every plant grows like it was born to be a brix champ, so there’s a learning curve for sure. You can try to do it in a hydro setup and see how far you can go :thumb:
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I had to also get a new quick grip vice for crushing leaves, but it squeezes out enough and my initial reading of the pictured leaf was 5 brix, maybe 5.5. What is considered high brix for cannabis? Can I start widening the range of N - K and begin monitoring the results? FWIW, I'd like to make any changes in the reservoir water unless there literally is no other choice, but as it stands, I never do any foliar spraying in bloom. That said, I'd like your input on how to improve this reading if possible. I can adjust the feed week to week and as is now, here are my numbers for the macros and secondaries.

NO3- - 100
NH4+ - 5.789
P ------- 65
K ------- 170
Ca ------ 100
Mg ----- 50
S --------- 82.7
Si -------- 25

I don't have any control of the ammonical N, but everything else I can dial right in pretty much. For S, I aimed for 100, but 82 was as close as Hydro Buddy was able to get me with the sulfates I have listed. IDK if it lends towards brix, but it is the reason my buds smell soooo sweet.

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Great, man. It’s a step in the right direction... so there’s this mythical threshold of 12 Brix, that’s considered proper High Brix level for cannabis. I’d say 11-12 there’s little difference, but above 10 for sure. My plants finish with 13-14 minimum and from time to time I can push it to 19 or even more.

You can start stepping up calcium and monitor the results.
 
conradino23 said:
Great, man. It’s a step in the right direction... so there’s this mythical threshold of 12 Brix, that’s considered proper High Brix level for cannabis. I’d say 11-12 there’s little difference, but above 10 for sure. My plants finish with 13-14 minimum and from time to time I can push it to 19 or even more.

You can start stepping up calcium and monitor the results.
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Relative to any of my numbers currently, I'd like to hear (read) your suggested edits for any and all.

Also, as is, I add 1/8 TSP/Gal of powdered Fulvic/Humic/Kelp to each reservoir change (every 7 days), plus also make a beneficial compost tea of that same powder, plus Great White, molasses, Fish Shit and 2 myco products from Microbe Life. I make this tea twice a week, but can step that up if suggested. Any other tips or things you would have liked to try if you were a hydro grower, I am very open minded.
 
conradino23 said:
Ok, so here's a study done on Chrysanthemum coronarium L. grown in hydro, which is obviously different than cannabis, but it's a flower. Check the results and concentrations they used. I'm sure there'll be something you can follow.

Calcium Effects on Yield, Mineral Uptake and Terpene Components of Hydroponic Chrysanthemum coronarium L.
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trying to comprehend uMols makes my eyes cross severely. I spent a few hours yesterday trying to make my brain understand, and I simply cannot at this time, lol. I do understand that mg and ppm are dependent on molecular weight of each component, but comprehension of negative powers is outside of my abilities.

that failure aside, I keep reading things and came across similar threads on THCfarmer, of hydro growers trying to up their brix and general health and one contributor shared his knowledge about testing the PH of the sap to ascertain certain information about the nutrients. This picture shows the ideal PH range of sap to be 6.4. I wanted to ask if you're up on this type of information/testing, and further ask if that 6.4 is contingent upon the ph of the root zone, or would that 6.4 be applicable to plants in hydro @5.8 as well?

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I found the following meter on Amazon for very cheap when compared to it's cost on other sites
Horiba 3999960122 Model pH-11 Compact pH Meter, 1.5" Height, 4" Width, 7.25" Length
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I also learned that manufacturer also makes a Plant Sap Potassium meter and a Plant Sap Nitrate meter, though each prices out at around $200 so even considering them isn't practical, but I am considering the sap PH meter. I'm wondering if I can find a near perfect balance of NPK and Ca that alone would improve my brix reading? I'm also looking to incorporate additional organic acids into my feed where practical. The beauty about mixing your own nutes from salts is that when you buy the salts, you don't need to buy them again for another 10-20 years so you have all kinds of extra monies to play around with.
 
Lots of sources for calcium.......Gypsum, Oyster Shell flour (beware that OSF can raise your pH up compared to Gypsum) Dolomite Lime is a dual source of Calcium carbonate and Magnesium carbonate but watch using it in high levels since the magnesium is a bit high and it will swing the pH. I like having lots of calcium in my soil......I grind up egg shells for slow release calcium. I have a little dolomite lime (1/2 cup for 60 gallons of soil) along with 2 cups of oyster shell flour and 2 cups of gypsum. There are lots of other amendments that add calcium and magnesium to the mix.
 
TheGreenYeti said:
Doc Bud has mentioned that he knows one hydro grower that grows hi brix plants. He said his plants regularly tested at about 12 brix. He did not mention any specifics other than that but said it is possible to achieve albeit difficult.
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I just dropped my question on his HighBrix thread, I do hope someone can point me in that direction for the high brix hydro grower as I have questions for days! Thanks for the lead Yeti!
 
Skybound said:
I just dropped my question on his HighBrix thread, I do hope someone can point me in that direction for the high brix hydro grower as I have questions for days! Thanks for the lead Yeti!
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You are welcome. Doc has been a little absent as of late. The grower he mentioned was a personal acquaintance and not a mag member. Though he could possibly be a member some where else. I am not sure how much info you will end up getting but I figured I could at least let you know that it IS possible to achieve.
 
Hi guys! I’ve just come back from Greece, where I chilled out for a few days before Easter.

I found my plants dry, so I trimmed them roughly and jarred them to even out the humidity.

@Skybound I hope you’re on track to High Brix in hydro... I used to think that I grew pretty good stuff, but when I started mineralising my soil seriously and stayed away from too much compost my quality skyrocketed. It’s really hard to describe to someone who never employed the method and never smoked HB flower.

It’s past 4:20, but I made some fresh hash and it’s time to roll a fat one. Happy blazing :passitleft:
 
conradino23 said:
Hi guys! I’ve just come back from Greece, where I chilled out for a few days before Easter.

I found my plants dry, so I trimmed them roughly and jarred them to even out the humidity.

@Skybound I hope you’re on track to High Brix in hydro... I used to think that I grew pretty good stuff, but when I started mineralising my soil seriously and stayed away from too much compost my quality skyrocketed. It’s really hard to describe to someone who never employed the method and never smoked HB flower.

It’s past 4:20, but I made some fresh hash and it’s time to roll a fat one. Happy blazing :passitleft:
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that's what im doing rite now enjoy your high bud!:)
 
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