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425 grams of Vulx per 5 gallon fabric pot.
2 tubs = 1500 grams of Vulx / 425 grams = 3.53 fabric pots @ 5 gallons.

Also...……..1 cubic foot of peat moss or compost or earthworm castings or perlite = 7.5 gallons
 
so 60 bucks worth of Vulx gets me 3 5gal fabric pots. That’s just too much money for me currently.

Also this;
$30 3.8cuft bale of peat base
$15 1cuft bag Quoddy Blend compost
$40 4cuft perlite bag
$20 4.5 gallons EWC
$25 Coot amendments

$8.95 8.5 gallons peat
$10 5 gallons compost
$10.67 8 gallons perlite
$20 4.5 EWC
$25 coot amendments

~$75 for 3.5cuft of coot mix soil. Not bad. For 26 gallons of soil I would need, I’d need 3 buckets of vulx. Putting my total cost at $195. I can’t justify more than doubling my price per gallon for soil.
 
keep in mind that this soil will be able to be used over and over again, greatly reducing your cost over time. Also, I believe you can get a benefit from the Vulx even without being at the full application rate... I would consider putting half in this time and next time when you recycle the soil, add the other half for the next grow.
 
That’s definitely a good idea. Beez has his Thin Mint vulx experiment going right now. I think im gonna sit and watch how his side by side does. If I’m convinced. I’ll put the full load into the recycle
 
ChefDGreen said:
so 60 bucks worth of Vulx gets me 3 5gal fabric pots. That’s just too much money for me currently.

Also this;
$30 3.8cuft bale of peat base
$15 1cuft bag Quoddy Blend compost
$40 4cuft perlite bag
$20 4.5 gallons EWC
$25 Coot amendments

$8.95 8.5 gallons peat
$10 5 gallons compost
$10.67 8 gallons perlite
$20 4.5 EWC
$25 coot amendments

~$75 for 3.5cuft of coot mix soil. Not bad. For 26 gallons of soil I would need, I’d need 3 buckets of vulx. Putting my total cost at $195. I can’t justify more than doubling my price per gallon for soil.
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You could run Doc's kit for less than that. It comes with enough to run 6 plants in 7 gallon pots.
 
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@neikodog yeah, Doc’s kit would be a good bit cheaper. The problem is to get it that cheap I need to pay a large up front cost. Which, if I were to do that I’d rather go through with my Rev TLO purchase. That would be even cheaper than Docs. The reason I’ve done what I’ve done here, is because I’m only payIng $60 in total to get myself 3.5cuft of first run coot mix soil. I probably will get a bag of kelp meal and another bag of EWC bringing my total cost to $95, but I’ll be good for a couple of runs in this mix like that. While I’ve got you though Neiko, you think for a first timer the $90 kit will be enough to bring him through to harvest with a couple of 7 gallon plants? I’ve got a buddy who’s about to set up his first 2x4 with marshydro lights and I wanna push him toward the docs kit.
 
So today I went out and got my hands on some of that Coast of Maine Quoddy Blend Lobster Compost. It was only $9/cuft so I got 2 bags. I also found a 12 lb bag of EWC at a different garden store. I purchased a 30 gallon tote and a 6x8 tarp as well. Now we’re just waiting for the coot blend to show up, then I’ll be mixing my organic soil. :woohoo:
 
I ordered a tub, I thought you just add it to the water, I should have read the directions. I am just going to go ahead and mix it in with the soil I was planning to use in my 10gallon pots so 40gallons of soil two with SCSS and two with the Coots mix. Then I also ordered Real growers Recharge , I hope I don't need anything other then that and some ground barley. I have half of what I used to make my SCSS and I have half of the Coots mix left so I may top dress with a little of that after I ask Emilya and Sticky, They are my go to resources on this coming grow.
 
PCaddict said:
I ordered a tub, I thought you just add it to the water, I should have read the directions. I am just going to go ahead and mix it in with the soil I was planning to use in my 10gallon pots so 40gallons of soil two with SCSS and two with the Coots mix. Then I also ordered Real growers Recharge , I hope I don't need anything other then that and some ground barley. I have half of what I used to make my SCSS and I have half of the Coots mix left so I may top dress with a little of that after I ask Emilya and Sticky, They are my go to resources on this coming grow.
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I can’t speak to the SCSS, but with 10 gallon pots the coot mix shouldn’t need anything besides water. If you remember Beez’s Peyote WiFi journal, he grew that girl in coot mix with water only start to finish and that plant was only in a 7 gallon pot and without vulx
 
Emilya said:
If brewing proper actively aerated compost teas was as easy as throwing in a little cow dung and compost... why would we need nutes? Brewing a proper tea isn't just about producing microbes... that's easy... it is about producing the right microbes.
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I don't use "nutes" water for the win here.

Yes ACT is as easy as throwing a handful of compost in a bucket of water and aerate. The cool part of AERATION is the addition of AIR and in that air is oxygen. This injection of extra oxygen is what causes the "good" bacteria or AEROBIC bacteria to multiply. They will out perform the ANEROBIC or "bad" bacteria with the added oxygen.

Microbe Tim does a GREAT write up about it. Suggest this as a "must read" for anyone considering growing organically. By organically I'm talking WITHOUT fertilizers. It can be done 420%.

Here's the link written by a person considered by many to be an expert on ACT or aerated compost teas.

Microbe Organics

Good read right here ^^^
 
ChefDGreen said:
I can’t speak to the SCSS, but with 10 gallon pots the coot mix shouldn’t need anything besides water. If you remember Beez’s Peyote WiFi journal, he grew that girl in coot mix with water only start to finish and that plant was only in a 7 gallon pot and without vulx
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How I've been growing for years now ..... with the same soil over and over.
 
ChefDGreen said:
In that case @beez0404 , peat moss weighs 15lb/cuft, and I’ll be using a 15lb bag of EWC, 15lb of compost and the perlite probably only weighs an lb or 2. I’m looking at 47lb for my full batch give or take an lb or two. Or 21,338 grams. 5% of that would be 1,066g. That’s how much Vulx I need to add. I believe the buckets are 750g right? In that cause I’ll probably only Vulx half my mix and keep the other 250g to experiment with later.
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Don't use weight as a measurement use VOLUME.

So instead of a pound of this or that use a GALLON as a measurement.

These 2 different measurement methods are not interchangeable.
 
bobrown14 said:
I don't use "nutes" water for the win here.

Yes ACT is as easy as throwing a handful of compost in a bucket of water and aerate. The cool part of AERATION is the addition of AIR and in that air is oxygen. This injection of extra oxygen is what causes the "good" bacteria or AEROBIC bacteria to multiply. They will out perform the ANEROBIC or "bad" bacteria with the added oxygen.

Microbe Tim does a GREAT write up about it. Suggest this as a "must read" for anyone considering growing organically. By organically I'm talking WITHOUT fertilizers. It can be done 420%.

Here's the link written by a person considered by many to be an expert on ACT or aerated compost teas.

Microbe Organics

Good read right here ^^^
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If you say so Bob... you are the expert of this method. I will stick to my targeted teas or recharge.
 
bobrown14 said:
How I've been growing for years now ..... with the same soil over and over.
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Thanks Brown! Can’t wait, to get into the cycle myself. I’m really looking forward to organic quality buds.


bobrown14 said:
Don't use weight as a measurement use VOLUME.

So instead of a pound of this or that use a GALLON as a measurement.

These 2 different measurement methods are not interchangeable.
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i only did the weight thing because initially I thought the Vulx was added 5% by weight. Later the Vulx man came through and set me straight with 83g/gallon of soil. I’ve got all my volumes straight for mixing.
 
ChefDGreen said:
Thanks Brown! Can’t wait, to get into the cycle myself. I’m really looking forward to organic quality buds.



i only did the weight thing because initially I thought the Vulx was added 5% by weight. Later the Vulx man came through and set me straight with 83g/gallon of soil. I’ve got all my volumes straight for mixing.
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And don't stress if you come in a little lower than that... I think I added 75g/g after weighing a gallon of my soil. The exact measurement isn't critical.
 
Hey Chef, just caught up again and seeing your plans for mixing your own soil and don’t see anywhere mentioned about the expansion of peat. Most peat is baled at a 2:1 compression, this means that your 3.5cuft (26 gallons) bale becomes 7 cuft (or about 50 gallons) once wetted plus all the volume of your amendments.
 
I think it's important to remember that there are many ways to skin a cat. Emilya uses a different tea for each season. Brown tosses a handful of compost in a bucket, aerates it and it's his go to tea. Both are very successful growers from what I have seen. Both are well respected for their knowledge and skills. So it just goes to show again that there are different paths leading to the same destination. We should embrace the differences. In the end we have to look closely at all the options out there and decide which we as newer growers want to try for ourselves.

As I gain confidence in my Clackamas Coots soil I am inclined to mix up a tea around mid veg, at the transition from veg to flowering, and again at mid flowering. In my mind I believe it could be a benefit to the root system during those crucial times.
 
Emilya said:
And don't stress if you come in a little lower than that... I think I added 75g/g after weighing a gallon of my soil. The exact measurement isn't critical.
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I bought a bucket of Vulx and when it comes I will remix my soil, I am going to mix enough for 4 10gallon pots 2 with SCSS and two with Coots mix. I have to get it first. I really didn't want to have to mix my soil again but since I already have it ordered I will have to. I am going to try just using Recharge only when I water. If I see any problems I will send out a distress call and ask for help, I am hoping I will not need it but I know there are plenty of folks here to get me back on track if I do

Hay Chef if you do try Doc Buds I think you will like it.
 
Be sure to read that article closely that Bob has provided... I read that article in the beginnings of my organics work too. Please note that the author does use other inputs other than just vermicompost, so as to produce desired microbes for different stages of the grow and that Bob's quip about just needing to brew up a handful of compost is a huge oversimplification.

When I first read that article years ago I found that I still had many questions... how in the world was I to know that I was growing the correct microbes? I did learn from this author how important it was to have a GOOD air pump... not just an aquarium pump, and I was almost ready to jump into organics after studying his work...

But I didn't jump in until I read True Living Organics by The Rev. This book outlined specific recipes to use and why and provided methods to make sure the correct microbes were being grown at the right time for your grow. This book gave me the confidence to start with organics, and I ran for many years based on the knowledge gained therein.

This is why I got on Bob for over simplifying the making of compost teas... there is a bit more to it than this article suggests and while a good air pump may allow you to get mostly good bacteria simply by brewing up vermicompost, that isn't always going to be the case, and you will always be flying blind, not knowing exactly what should have been growing in your tea. Based on the good advice and outlines provided by The Rev, I found that I could make effective teas without worrying about needing to examine what I produced under a microscope... Rev provided the shortcuts that I needed.
 
PCaddict said:
I am going to try just using Recharge only when I water. I
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I know of no other way to use it... it was never intended for top dressing or as the name might imply, adding some vigor back into a bad soil by adding it to a compost pile. When I used RealGrower's Recharge, I used it at the 1 tsp / gallon rate, every time I watered.
 
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