CFL's work just fine!

[dragontoker]

According to this thread, CFL's produce as much or more with less plants and less light then HPS?

Wet weight is the new harvest figure?

Everyone in this thread can prove it but havent.

Some cant prove it because they heard it from a friend, who has a buddy, who knows a guy who did it,,,,,,,,and he doesnt lie.



NASA is watching this thread closely,,,,,,their looking for their next super scientist. Please dont make them wait any longer and give them a call immediately.

 

[patmrtnscks]

I never said I can prove it. I use mh/hps, piss on cfl's for anything but microgrows.

 

[jimm14]

puffpuff read the thread not one person has said cfl make more light or better harvest, they make alot less light but with alot more bulbs you will make the same light with less temps, simple.

I don't believe anyone will get a good crop with cfl's unless you use more watts then a hps. in the same sized grow space.

why are people so resistent to change? when i was a kid we used street lights before MH/HPS grow lamps were cheap, they were the reserve of commercial growers. now 5 mins on ebay and you can find millions for dirt cheap.

 

[dragontoker]

puffpuff read the thread not one person has said cfl make more light or better harvest, they make alot less light but with alot more bulbs you will make the same light with less temps, simple.

I don't believe anyone will get a good crop with cfl's unless you use more watts then a hps. in the same sized grow space.

why are people so resistent to change? when i was a kid we used street lights before MH/HPS grow lamps were cheap, they were the reserve of commercial growers. now 5 mins on ebay and you can find millions for dirt cheap.

I have been reading the thread in between wetting myself from laughter.

Just show me the money,,,,,,,,,your journal,,,,,,,,,,make me a believer and I will publicly eat my words.

Dont get me wrong about all this, I think CFL's have their place but to me its more supplemental. Which is why I plan on adding 16-23w 5k cfls to my 2x4ft tent that already has a 600w hps in it, for a better spectrum of color. I would add another 600w metal halide if I could fit another air cooled hood in there, instead.

 

[Budman x]

CFLs are doing me just fine .

Small grow, small cost, cheap weed !

 

[biotrucker]

YOU CAN EXPECT TO YIELD 2 TO 4 LBS OF WET PLANT MATERIAL (DEPENDING ON WHAT STRAIN, WATERING, AIR, AND NUTRIENTS) USING MY SET-UP OF 6 PLANTS (ALL FEMALE LUCKILY FOR ME) AND EACH ONE UNDER A 5K LUMEN PHOTO CFL BULB.

NOT 2700! NOT 27 WATTS!

SIX 45 WATT / 5000 LUMEN PURE WHITE LIGHT PHOTOGRAPHERS BULBS.

EACH IS IN A REFLECTIVE DOME STYLE LAMP LIKE MECHANICS WOULD USE. THESE ARE SUSPENDED WITHIN NO MORE THAN 2" FROM THE TOPS OF THE PLANTS. THIS IS IN A MYLAR LINED 4' X 2' FABRIC GROW CABINET WITH A SMALL FAN SUSPENDED TO GENTLY BLOW OVER THE PLANTS. YOU WILL ALSO WANT EITHER A DUCT FAN (50 TO 80 CFM) OR ANOTHER SMALL PERSONAL FAN LYING FACE DOWN OVER THE HOLE FOR THE DUCT FAN (IT WORKS FOR ME).

I ALTERNATE A GAL OF NUTRIENT WATER WITH A GAL OF PLAIN WATER EVERY COUPLE DAYS. I USE GH GROW/BLOOM/MICRO 4ML EA PER GAL OF WATER. I INCREASE THE BLOOM TO 12ML WHEN I STARTED FLOWERING STILL ALTERNATING WITH PLAIN WATER.

IT ALL STARTED IN AN EMILY'S GARDEN 6 POT HYDRO SETUP. EACH POT IS 1 GALLON FILLED WITH A 4" ROCKWOOL CUBE AND HYDROTON ROCKS FOR SUPPORT. LST IS RECOMMENDED.

If you follow what I did above, you can do it too all without your precious HPS and MH lamps. I bought all of the equipment for less than $300 retail. The bulbs, domes, fans, extension cords, timer and the cabinet are available on Amazon. Everything else from a hydro store.

HOWEVER, you cannot grow 50 plants ready to flower. Not possible Jimm. Nursery ready in little dixie cups perhaps, but not potted. You couldn't spread that little bit of light via the Hubble telescope much less 50 sq feet!

 

[biotrucker]

Dont get me wrong about all this, I think CFL's have their place but to me its more supplemental. Which is why I plan on adding 16-23w 5k cfls to my 2x4ft tent that already has a 600w hps in it, for a better spectrum of color. I would add another 600w metal halide if I could fit another air cooled hood in there, instead.

How many lamps are you adding? It looks like you said 16 and 2x4 in the same paragraph. I would love to see that arrangement with an HPS shoved in between. Not enough room. Where do you plan to plug all that stuff in? It would definitely pull more than 15 amps!

Also 23 watts and 5000 lumens are not possible. The bulbs are 45 watt pure white light at 5k output. You cannot buy them in Lowes or Home Depot. I believe you are talking about 27 watts or 2700 lumens cool white.

I suppose with an HPS setup they would be more than enough. Just wanted to clarify exactly what bulbs you want to use and where you are going to fit them all.

 

[dragontoker]

How many lamps are you adding? It looks like you said 16 and 2x4 in the same paragraph. I would love to see that arrangement with an HPS shoved in between. Not enough room. Where do you plan to plug all that stuff in? It would definitely pull more than 15 amps!

Also 23 watts and 5000 lumens are not possible. The bulbs are 45 watt pure white light at 5k output. You cannot buy them in Lowes or Home Depot. I believe you are talking about 27 watts or 2700 lumens cool white.

I suppose with an HPS setup they would be more than enough. Just wanted to clarify exactly what bulbs you want to use and where you are going to fit them all.

Its a 2x4x5ft TENT.

So now the figure of 10-12lb wet is down to 2lbs wet. Are you posting under a couple of screen names or is there more then one person in this thread using wet weight as a figure?

I'm getting sick of the grade school shit in this thread.

Who the hell said anything about 5000L per bulb. K stands for Kelvin, you do know what that is dont you?

Please stick to something you know, 16- 23w bulbs pulls 3.0666666 amps @ 120vac. Ive wired enough houses, buildings and equipment to know exactly what I'm doing when it comes to anything electrical or mechanical.

It just so happens that I remodeled my entire house, including all the electric, all the plumbing right to the street, all the windows, siding, insulation and roof. So I know what my circuits can handle and what they cant.

Just so happens I run a company and have owned companies that do the above for a living.

Please dont try and clarify anything, its useless and so is this thread.

I wont be replying anymore, Ive had more intelligent discussions with my dog.

 

[biotrucker]

You got some anger issues dude. No one ever said you didn't know what you were doing. I merely asked a question. I am simply telling others what I did and how it turned out. If they want to use it, fine, if they feel their way is better then don't.

I don't care either way!

SOOOOOORRY If I'm not up on all the lingo... I chose to mention my crop being wet AND I said it was an ESTIMATE!!!! Is there some international standard for growers I am not aware of? If so, did you write it (because you take this stuff too personally)?

Seriously WTF??? If you don't like my thread, I won't be heartbroken if you don't visit it.

I didn't need a lesson in electricity 101. I'm happy for you built your own home. I'm happy that you can lay pipe. I'm a restaurant owner. What does our career choices have to do with anything??????????

Hell, I don't even smoke! It gives me a headache. I enjoy growing for my wife to use because she enjoys it. My pleasure is in growing it better every time. Not that this has any relevancy to the frigin lights I am using!

BTW, please let us know if your dog talks back to you. Showbiz is calling!

My question was only how do you fit 16 additional lights into a 2 x 4 foot grow cabinet including a HPS light and air handlers? Regardless of the height or do the lights run vertically?

 

[jimm14]

you cannot grow 50 plants ready to flower. Not possible Jimm. Nursery ready in little dixie cups perhaps, but not potted. You couldn't spread that little bit of light via the Hubble telescope much less 50 sq feet!

yes your right,

Let me be more specific, I use 4x55w cfl flo's for my veg/mother room. it holds two mothers at a time and upto 100 clones in good light. I only let clones root before flowering them.

and puffpuff chill out, If the CFL's are gay I will tell you first i promise, Looking at your grow you have a small set-up (very nice, skilled work). one 600w HPS is easy to cool, hot bigger set-ups in small houses aren't, no one likes crispy buds.

I used to run 4 tents two 5x5x6.5 tents for flower, one 2x4x4 for clones and same for mother room, I used to run 2x600wHPS, 1x1000w, 16x flo's 55w, 2x 5"fans, 3x 4"fans, AC unit, desktop fans etc. I no longer grow to sell, so i need to live here, i down graded my set-up and wanna try cfl.

It's VERY hard to control heat with that much stuff running, It's noisy, and lights up your house like a christmas tree when a IR helicopter flys over, If you can get the same results with more lights but less heat and less heat signiture for the air, for me it's worth it, I live in a place where growing weed = life imprisonment.

But as i say I'm trying a full CFL right now and if the buds aren't worth my time I will sell the lot and go back to HPS. The plants are a week old so I have nothing to show but a full log will be saved and posted and genuine thoughts on how the CFL's ran. I'm using coco in wilmas with full Holland's secrets nute system (nutes + additives), used many times with HPS so I have something to compare HONESTLY. I don't grow for fun, i grow for dank connissoir bud that i enjoy to smoke and brings in premium prices on the market.

 

[HiTimes4Me]

Well I can prove it and if you look at statements made by professionals in the field plants need 2000 lumens per square ft. The sun onlt perduces 90 thousand lumens at peak. So do the math a plant put outside and grow with right tools can produce over a couple pounds a plant but your saying that in 3 harvests indoor that 12 pds is crazy? Well your bs must mean something else go to hydrofarm.com they recommend cfl and sell them for veg and flower. I've grown a strain called zombie virus 5 plants with 25 thousand lumens and I got almost 6 pds cured weight with cfls nothing else of course I use best soil and liguid ferts but unless you've tried recently then you don't know so really stop thinking that hps hid and mh etc is the only way ya maybe ae yrs ago but not now if you need proof email me at luniz1979@gmail.com and ill show you my set up and also biotrucker turn lights off for atleast three hours of darkness it promotes root growth which in turn your plant will grow larger stronger and also produce lot more forbidden fruit

Of course the people that SELL them are going to RECOMMEND THEM LOL .... I've grown with CFLs that's what I started with and I'm telling you they don't stack up to HID....Prove it on the forum buddy...No body is saying you cant reach 12lbs indoors.. We're just saying your not going to do it with several CFLs, a small cabinet, No seperate veg room, and nobody is saying HID is the ONLY way to go, we're stating it's more effecient than CFLs on a large scale, and by the way you might want to spell check your posts and watch how you word things because I'm sure the sun puts out more then 90k lumens peak...It's actually 100,000 lumens per Sq. M.... And yes 2000 lumens per sq. ft.... is the MINIMUM to actually grow healthy and survive... Do you think you can get the MAXIMUM results with the MINIMUM lighting requirement? YOU do the math 100,000 lumens divided by 9 ( that's how many sq. ft are in a sq. meter btw) hmmm you should end up with 11,111 lumens per sq. ft. that's what produces pounds outside... Not 25k lumens of CFLs sorry man it can't be done....And to the Original poster I understand your not saying dry bud...which is why I stated in my previous post dry bud because you were unclear... Potentially yes you're right it would be about 10-12lbs wet weight and around 4lbs dry a year thats totally possible... but what Luniz is stating is unrealistic by any standards and I refuse to believe he got almost 6lbs cured with 25k lumens... I have to call BS on that...It's rare to see larger scale HID grows get 6lbs on a grow...( excluding commercial ops I'm talking around 2k or 3k grows)

 

[HiTimes4Me]

I no longer grow to sell,







I don't grow for fun, i grow for dank connissoir bud that i enjoy to smoke and brings in premium prices on the market.

Kind of contradicts itself ya know?

 

[Budman x]

Of course the people that SELL them are going to RECOMMEND THEM LOL .... I've grown with CFLs that's what I started with and I'm telling you they don't stack up to HID....Prove it on the forum buddy...No body is saying you cant reach 12lbs indoors.. We're just saying your not going to do it with several CFLs, a small cabinet, No seperate veg room, and nobody is saying HID is the ONLY way to go, we're stating it's more effecient than CFLs on a large scale, and by the way you might want to spell check your posts and watch how you word things because I'm sure the sun puts out more then 90k lumens peak...It's actually 100,000 lumens per Sq. M.... And yes 2000 lumens per sq. ft.... is the MINIMUM to actually grow healthy and survive... Do you think you can get the MAXIMUM results with the MINIMUM lighting requirement? YOU do the math 100,000 lumens divided by 9 ( that's how many sq. ft are in a sq. meter btw) hmmm you should end up with 11,111 lumens per sq. ft. that's what produces pounds outside... Not 25k lumens of CFLs sorry man it can't be done....And to the Original poster I understand your not saying dry bud...which is why I stated in my previous post dry bud because you were unclear... Potentially yes you're right it would be about 10-12lbs wet weight and around 4lbs dry a year thats totally possible... but what Luniz is stating is unrealistic by any standards and I refuse to believe he got almost 6lbs cured with 25k lumens... I have to call BS on that...It's rare to see larger scale HID grows get 6lbs on a grow...( excluding commercial ops I'm talking around 2k or 3k grows)

Nice to see you got Google and a bit of time on your hands buddy. You seem to have a good point there until you remember that the sun is a bit further away from the plants that what a CFL is. There is a lot of energy lost in travelling across the solar system and through the atmosphere.

It's nice to see you tried to do your research, but if you don't know shit please don't use Google to back you up, she will let you down every time. If your theory's were nothing but hypothesis then you would have include the fact that the valuable job our wonderful atmosphere does in keeping us alive also reduces light intensity. (The same it reduces that of radiation ETC.) Meaning the calculations you have made are totally null-in-void.

Besides, unless you have ever done a 100% CFL grow, how do you have any information to give someone? If you have never used them fully and understand how they work, then how can you give advice.

I have never built a house so I would not tell my builder how to do so. If you have not used CFL then you can't honestly say how they work, all you have to go on is information obtained by potentially and most likely extremely biast sources.

 

[HiTimes4Me]

There was a guy that produced 1lb with cfls off 7 plants when I first joined here I cannot mention his name because I think he's banned now. It's a long read from start to finish but if you skip through you can find the setup he uses and the end result ... Deep Water Culture Tutorial, SH Kit & DIY but that's his tutorial it isn't a grow journal he states that....but he did that to show you can grow a nice crop with CFLs and if you do that 3 times a year then yes you can get a few pounds a year...But he USED alot more then 25k lumens and he didn't get 6lbs

 

[HiTimes4Me]

I have used 100% CFL grow obviously you didn't read my post...It's what I started with... And maybe YOU should use GOOGLE that figure of 100,000 lumens per sq. M is on the SURFACE of the EARTH meaning AFTER it reaches us...WOW dude pay attention... "So therefore your POST is totally Null-in-Void" LOL

 

[Budman x]

You use the approximate, regardless of variables which become massive in a controlled environment where one can implement side lighting, for example. Would be nice if you could be more specific.

 

[HiTimes4Me]

You mean in response to my 100% cfl grow? If so then Im not sure I can be much more specific it was 100% CFL meaning ONLY cfl... Or are you looking for details? Such as, Kelvins, Watts, Lumens, Distance and Position in relation to the plants?

 

[YardDog35]

Once again, you cannot compare CFL's to the brightness of the sun lol. 1000 watt HID doesn't even match what the sun puts out (on the surface of the earth I should add), that's why greenhouses with shade cloth over them can still grow very large plants.

I'll add, I've grown and am currently growing a 100% cfl grow. 2 65 watt (true 65w), 2700 kelvin, 3900 lumens each. I've pulled 50+ grams from a Bubba Kush with this lighting. That's dried, manicured, and ready for consumption. This is all in a totally reflective small space.

CFL's work, we all know that. They do not produce like an HID, we should all know that.
I think the responses in this thread, including mine are to call some of the B.S. that's been posted.

 

[jimm14]

I dont see why everyone is arguing, No one doubts HID lighting, It's great.

But why will no one except the CFL's could produce just as well? screw lumins, screw the sun.

300 23w CFL's would produce more then a 250w HPS light would anyone doubt that? I'm thinking not.

Instead of arguing we should be trying to work out how many CFL's it take to replace a HPS and get the same average result.

Thats all i care about not whats better, each to there own man.

Highflyin5, I no longer grow to sell, ie 2 flower rooms harvesting every other week but i still want the finest bud, Top drawer shit I would pay out the ass for on the street. and not growing for fun means I dont just plant a random bag seed in a 5gal bucket of cheap compost to see what happens,sorry to confuse u.

 

[YardDog35]

I dont see why everyone is arguing, No one doubts HID lighting, It's great.

But why will no one except the CFL's could produce just as well? screw lumins, screw the sun.

300 23w CFL's would produce more then a 250w HPS light would anyone doubt that? I'm thinking not.

Instead of arguing we should be trying to work out how many CFL's it take to replace a HPS and get the same average result.

Thats all i care about not whats better, each to there own man.

Highflyin5, I no longer grow to sell, ie 2 flower rooms harvesting every other week but i still want the finest bud, Top drawer shit I would pay out the ass for on the street. and not growing for fun means I dont just plant a random bag seed in a 5gal bucket of cheap compost to see what happens,sorry to confuse u.

Like I said before, just calling out the BS, that's all. There are a lot of new members joining just to start a cfl grow because it's cheap and easy. I don't want anyone misinformed, thinking they will get a lot of weight.

300, 23w cfl's? That's 6900 watts! This is the BS I'm talking about! Yeah they might produce more light, that's about it. I'm running a 250 watt HPS in my grow tent. Should I go out and buy 300 cfl bulbs instead? Oh-nevermind, they won't fit.

Let's keep this a realistic debate, please.