Cannot even get seeds to sprout and it's hacking me off

Gazoo said:
Thanks was not thinking it dumb just curious as I also have the occasional stuck husk and have wondered
if planting deeper would help ? Sounds like we both have the same average result so leads to the
conclusion 1/4 is perfectly fine :high-five:
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The way I figure it, probably takes less energy to shed the seed husk than to press through a bunch of soil.
I’m curious to see how the original poster does with new seeds — zero percent germination so far is pretty bad luck.
 
Hi, my 1st grow also 3 different strains photoperiods, Cookies Kush,Pineapple Chunk and Peyote Critical. Put them to soak in tap water ph of 7.2, 48 ppm is way comes out my tap for 16hrs in the dark check too see that they sink every few hours if not poke them n try get it to sink, I used paper towel method after soaking. Put seeds on towel spaced out and keep away from your fold line, 2 paper towels fold once and use water from soaking cup to lightly moisten paper towel, put in a plastic zip bag unzipped and leave it in the dark again for 24hrs then check for tap root should be about 10 to 15 mm long , 1/2 inch try using some Mychorrizal powder ' I have in all 4 seeds and at every transplant, 100 % success rate I now have 19 plants 15 of which are cloned at various stages of growth since February ' in the hole and dont bury them too deep in your premoistened soil, ligtly cover with 5 mm max of soil, 1/4 inch no more, and leave it well alone with your led light on till it pops up, Then moisten with spray mister only on top soil for about a week onced popped up out soil.Then just water it normal water no feed for about a 2 weeks and start feeding at half recommend dosage and build up from there. So I'd say Mychorrizal played huge part in germination and transplant and clones good luck. P.S I now have T5 Sunblaster nanotech lights cheap and absolutely amazing for veg and seeds get them now off whoever makes them. Not sponsoring nothing except the T5 technology also you need to check your water ph level before watering so get a decent PH pen and TDS pen for PPM levels that seems very important equipment to have
 
Grandma Weedstein said:
The way I figure it, probably takes less energy to shed the seed husk than to press through a bunch of soil.
I’m curious to see how the original poster does with new seeds — zero percent germination so far is pretty bad luck.
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We are figuring the same. The cotyledons, when they are spreading open, should provide everything that is needed to push the husk or shell off. Let the seed spend energy getting the tap root and feeder roots started and the true leave growing.

I plant seeds to a depth about 4 times the size of the seed. So most marijuana seeds are planted about 1/8th to 3/16th inch deep.

Also seen times when half of the husk just sticks to one of the cotyledons. If I can see the first set of true leaves I don't worry about it. But, if the plant seems slow in developing that first set then I will try to get the rest of the shell off so that light can reach the other cotyledon and get photosynthesis moving along.
 
I have had 100% germination on about 250 seeds (mostly CBD strains but that doesn't really matter). My soil concoction consists of 1 part perlite, 2 parts compost (the good stuff and not the bagged stuff you get at HD, Lowes), and 4 parts coco coir. I moisten up the mixture with water. I fill the pots and poke a 1/4" deep small hole in the top. I place in one seed and lightly cover the seed. I mist on very little water and set it aside in a dark area for about 3-4 days checking on them every day. Usually on the 3rd or 4th day there is something peeking through. That's my technique.
 
Hey dudesss !! Old thread but guess what came in the mail today !!! Germinating some in pods and some in soil and some in the paper towel !! wish me luck :D
 

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Grandma Weedstein said:
The way I figure it, probably takes less energy to shed the seed husk than to press through a bunch of soil.
I’m curious to see how the original poster does with new seeds — zero percent germination so far is pretty bad luck.
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Once they're above ground, how long would you guys wait before taking off the seed husk if the plant hasn't shed it on it's own? Some of mine seem to like wearing a helmet for a bit, am I planting too deep/shallow/something else? They all end up ok, I just find myself having to de-helmet them half the time
 
BigDannel said:
Once they're above ground, how long would you guys wait before taking off the seed husk if the plant hasn't shed it on it's own? Some of mine seem to like wearing a helmet for a bit, am I planting too deep/shallow/something else? They all end up ok, I just find myself having to de-helmet them half the time
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I think the longest I’ve waited before pulling them off myself was like 5 days after they popped. And those are the ones that are really stuck. However, I have occasionally wiped some spit on the seedhead because I’ve read the enzymes help break it up.

I’ve found the vast majority of the time, the husk will just stick to one of the cotyledons and it’s not a problem. Even when it’s stuck to both, they kept growing and I eventually just flicked it off.

Folks may disagree with this, but I think the seed’s inner vigor is mostly responsible for cracking the husk wide open, rather than friction from the soil. I plant mine pretty shallow, and they usually have no problem cracking on their own. I’m not saying planting deeper is deathly bad or anything, but I figure it can’t hurt for the cotyledons to start growing in the light ASAP.
 
I have been able to use tweezers to just gently squeeze the husk sometimes it just pops it a bit.
also have noticed until the husk is removed the seedling will stretch looking for light

EDIT:I squeeze across the split open area so the tweezers are near the end thats still closed
this kinda puts pressure on the un-open end
 
Wow a million ways to skin a cat here, soak not to soak, planting depth, soil type, paper towel or directly into the soil, and so many more suggestions. I hope you find the way that works for you as it’s pretty obvious everyone has their own way they have perfected and use.

The one thing that was hit on just slightly but not stressed as much as I think it should be is sterilizing before working with everything. I feel like it’s the #1 killer, after impatience, for seed loss. As for sterilization, surfaces and equipment/tools, I’ll use a 200 ppm bleach solution (old habit from my line chef days) then rinse with distilled water and air dry, as a second disinfection of my tools after the bleach and rinse, is alcohol wipes. I usually will wear gloves if I plan on touching the seed after it has soaked or will use a tweezers after wiping with an alcohol wipe. I use distilled water (mine is a pH of 6.0 here) for soaking my seeds in, wetting my paper towel, and watering the germinated seed with for the first week.

If you’re curious how I sprouted my last two seeds look at my Ginger Punch Auto journal in my signature, I lay out my germination and planting process of the seed pretty well.

Good luck on this next round!
 
The Phantom said:
Wow a million ways to skin a cat here, soak not to soak, planting depth, soil type, paper towel or directly into the soil, and so many more suggestions. I hope you find the way that works for you as it’s pretty obvious everyone has their own way they have perfected and use.

The one thing that was hit on just slightly but not stressed as much as I think it should be is sterilizing before working with everything. I feel like it’s the #1 killer, after impatience, for seed loss. As for sterilization, surfaces and equipment/tools, I’ll use a 200 ppm bleach solution (old habit from my line chef days) then rinse with distilled water and air dry, as a second disinfection of my tools after the bleach and rinse, is alcohol wipes. I usually will wear gloves if I plan on touching the seed after it has soaked or will use a tweezers after wiping with an alcohol wipe. I use distilled water (mine is a pH of 6.0 here) for soaking my seeds in, wetting my paper towel, and watering the germinated seed with for the first week.

If you’re curious how I sprouted my last two seeds look at my Ginger Punch Auto journal in my signature, I lay out my germination and planting process of the seed pretty well.

Good luck on this next round!
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I don’t mean this in a shit-talking way because if it works for you, that’s great — but what has convinced you this is necessary? Again, I don’t mean this in an insulting way, but: It sounds like overkill, especially if you’re planting into soil that’s got a fair amount of manure and rotting matter in it. You gotta figure that out in nature, this seed is going to encounter a lot worse than an ungloved finger...
 
Not necessarily worse bacteria in soil but different bacteria than what you have on your hands or that is on your tools. Yeah seeds are meant to naturally grow in soil with all the bacteria and microbes soil contains but not you’re greasy hands or dirty tools. If it’s as simple as wearing gloves and wiping things down to sterilize them first and has the slightest implication of not adding additional foreign bacteria to the mix that could potentially be the death of a seed that wasn’t cheap to buy, absolutely why not?

I offered it as my two cents to this whole conversation because there was an obviously lack from my POV, whether this information was supposed to be assumed or just forgotten. Personally I don’t think it’s overkill, there is an obviously struggle being had here and almost no talk of working from a sterile surface and tools, contamination can easily be eliminated as a culprit. There’s a quite a following here of people that will use a hydrogen peroxide/water solution in the water they soak their seeds in for that purpose alone.

It seems like people will go to ridiculous, expensive lengths buying heating mats, special soil, etc. when maybe a simple cleaning before hand might do the trick? We try to keep our grow spaces as sterile as possible to eliminate any issues with our growing plants, why not start at the beginning when the plants are their most vulnerable?
 
gorillamotorss said:
It's been 7 weeks now and they have not responded to emails!!
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Really ?? Try contacting them on their website their support link is Seedsman Support Center
7 weeks sounds like a long time, try contacting them dude.
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The Phantom said:
Wow a million ways to skin a cat here, soak not to soak, planting depth, soil type, paper towel or directly into the soil, and so many more suggestions. I hope you find the way that works for you as it’s pretty obvious everyone has their own way they have perfected and use.

The one thing that was hit on just slightly but not stressed as much as I think it should be is sterilizing before working with everything. I feel like it’s the #1 killer, after impatience, for seed loss. As for sterilization, surfaces and equipment/tools, I’ll use a 200 ppm bleach solution (old habit from my line chef days) then rinse with distilled water and air dry, as a second disinfection of my tools after the bleach and rinse, is alcohol wipes. I usually will wear gloves if I plan on touching the seed after it has soaked or will use a tweezers after wiping with an alcohol wipe. I use distilled water (mine is a pH of 6.0 here) for soaking my seeds in, wetting my paper towel, and watering the germinated seed with for the first week.

If you’re curious how I sprouted my last two seeds look at my Ginger Punch Auto journal in my signature, I lay out my germination and planting process of the seed pretty well.

Good luck on this next round!
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always better to be safe than sorry ! I personally just wash my hands or wear gloves but you are right.
BigDannel said:
Once they're above ground, how long would you guys wait before taking off the seed husk if the plant hasn't shed it on it's own? Some of mine seem to like wearing a helmet for a bit, am I planting too deep/shallow/something else? They all end up ok, I just find myself having to de-helmet them half the time
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be careful !!! I seen videos of people taking off the "helmet" and decapitating it, please be careful lol
 
The Phantom said:
Not necessarily worse bacteria in soil but different bacteria than what you have on your hands or that is on your tools. Yeah seeds are meant to naturally grow in soil with all the bacteria and microbes soil contains but not you’re greasy hands or dirty tools. If it’s as simple as wearing gloves and wiping things down to sterilize them first and has the slightest implication of not adding additional foreign bacteria to the mix that could potentially be the death of a seed that wasn’t cheap to buy, absolutely why not?

I offered it as my two cents to this whole conversation because there was an obviously lack from my POV, whether this information was supposed to be assumed or just forgotten. Personally I don’t think it’s overkill, there is an obviously struggle being had here and almost no talk of working from a sterile surface and tools, contamination can easily be eliminated as a culprit. There’s a quite a following here of people that will use a hydrogen peroxide/water solution in the water they soak their seeds in for that purpose alone.

It seems like people will go to ridiculous, expensive lengths buying heating mats, special soil, etc. when maybe a simple cleaning before hand might do the trick? We try to keep our grow spaces as sterile as possible to eliminate any issues with our growing plants, why not start at the beginning when the plants are their most vulnerable?
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Better safe than sorry, I suppose, but I was just wondering if there was something specific you were trying to avoid. I can’t say I do much sterilizing when planting seeds and haven’t had an issue with germination but I’m working with my own seeds and don’t care as much compared to someone paying for them.
 
Nothing specific I’m trying to avoid, just figured while I already have these items on hand and it only takes a few seconds to do it, why not?

I agree on the your vs bought seeds, as I didn’t do much sterilizing with my bag seeds I sprouted but did with my bought seeds, even the freebies. Killing bought seeds is not a cheap hobby or a very fun one haha

It also maybe a part of my OCD, I think I’m one of the few men to actually get excited when my old vacuum broke and was able to buy a new one.
 

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