Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS

re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

jamthe3 said:
You're mid forties to mid fifties. You want a more accurate proximity of a guess...you'll have to post your general location for me to bring it to you in person. Don't second guess yourself or get "greedy" if you thought at first the one was a male, it probably is. If its showing pistils now, it could be a hermie; just junk it...there's always more seeds and clones. If one spends alot of time "saving" all the lost cannabis plant souls it will just get messy, trust me; and yes, you definately need more lighting imho. My first indoor grow, I wanted to show the world (kiddies that is) how to get a quarter pound for less than 10 bucks. A hundred bucks later, I had an ounce and a half or so, lol. You're doing real well for the first time out btw, better than I did at least. Don't over think and don't venture away from the original overall plan and goals is my best "Jolly Green 'old arse eff' fart" advice...I'm 49 in a month btw.
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Well now that's what I love about this site....all these minds that can think of things I am too new to have thought about yet.
Hermie....hmmm. Not allowed. That thought almost ruined my homemade pasta sauce in progress. LOL
I will check that plant more closely tomorrow morning when I remove it from the flower room. Thanks Jamthe3!!
I swear I have over $100.00 into these CFL lights now. I had to get them a few at a time, but wanted to get this grow started before winter. I am working on the additional lighting on and off today.
Thank you for the encouragement too , btw.
I am going to transplant clones to bigger pots tomorrow, I'm going to need more lighting for that anyway. {{sigh}}... the money comes in...the money goes out. Vicious circle. LOL

And 49 does not make you an "old arse eff' fart". you gotta get over fifty to even think that. :laughtwo:
 
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS

Question,
If I were to add Cal/mag solution to a plant that has purple-ish stems and yellow leaf issues, how long would it take to notice a difference in the plant in a soil-less mix? Would the purple stems correct themselves, or are they that way to stay?
 
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lol. Go look at my post in dyolds thread. In your case, Canna, your plants are, IMO, suffering from malnutrition. The purple color is due to the plant metabolically adding a sugar molecule to the flavonoids (white pigments) in the stems close to the leaves. This is a defense mechanism. That sugar molecule is in close proximity to the photosynthetically active leaves. It is easily cleaved off the flavonoid in a downhill reaction to provide energy for the leaf. You can watch and see. If a leaf has a purple stem and the leaf goes yellow and dies, the purple stem will no longer be purple either. It won't be purple because the extra sugar molecule was cleaved from the flavonoid and went to the leaf in a last ditch effort for survival.

Heck, I'm not a botanist, but I'm pretty dialed in on anthocyanins.
 
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PeeJay said:
lol. Go look at my post in dyolds thread. In your case, Canna, your plants are, IMO, suffering from malnutrition. The purple color is due to the plant metabolically adding a sugar molecule to the flavonoids (white pigments) in the stems close to the leaves. This is a defense mechanism. That sugar molecule is in close proximity to the photosynthetically active leaves. It is easily cleaved off the flavonoid in a downhill reaction to provide energy for the leaf. You can watch and see. If a leaf has a purple stem and the leaf goes yellow and dies, the purple stem will no longer be purple either. It won't be purple because the extra sugar molecule was cleaved from the flavonoid and went to the leaf in a last ditch effort for survival.

Heck, I'm not a botanist, but I'm pretty dialed in on anthocyanins.
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Wow.
I'll re-read that a few times....when I'm a little clearer in da head. :biglaugh:

Okay, it's just the one brat of a plant. I am going to dial up the feed on that one tomorrow, at the rate those leaves are turning...it's probably just going to get worse if I don't give it some extra feed. You have not steered me wrong in the past, for sure! Never know 'till ya try. Any idea when I would see any noticeable positive reaction? A few days, a week?
I'll check what you posted on Dyolds' grow in a bit. ;-)
Thanks...again. :thanks:
 
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Nice update Canna! It looks like you have gotten more comfortable manipulating branches under the scrog. The pics you got of the early male look awesome too. Those are the best pics of early male development I have seen. Awesome job!

In order for a seed to form, pollen has to land on the pistil of a female plant. That will then fertilize the ovule and that will turn into a seed. DP has some good info about it in his thread as was mentioned before. What he does is cut off the pollen sacs right before they open, then when they dry they open and he collects the pollen. I have heard you can keep it for years in the freezer, although I don't know how long it would be viable this way.

The girls look a bit thirsty to me. If they stay a bit droopy even after watering, they may be missing something to maintain osmotic pressure. This pressure is what allows the plant's cells to stay turgid (full of water). Also if the roots are not getting enough 02, you can see this drop in pressure. I have also heard that the purple can be brought on by a micronutrient defeciency. I have heard a lot of reasons for purple, like cold, genetics etc. But what PJ said makes perfect sense if the purple is localized to the petioles. You have to trust corn that creamy ;)
 
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If you're getting purple thats exaggerated in the leaf stems and or striping on the stalks is almost for sure a magnesium deficiency; that's why I asked about your water earlier.
 
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Now remember when I say this about seeds, that you are talking to a Gal who couldn't even keep a house plant alive all her life. The ins/outs of plants and their structures and individual functions have been hidden away in a reference manual that had never been read here, and when I opened it on this venture bats came flying out!

I thought...the male plant also produced seeds. That explains my mistakenly calling them "seed pods" in the pictures. I know that a hermied plant can sometimes produce seeds now, but I really was under the assumption that males produced them as well as pollentating the females so they would produce. Ignorance is bliss....only to those who don't give a rat what they are ignorant about.:biglaugh:
 
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Couple of updates today:
I have transplanted the female clones that were ready. The roots were coming out the drain holes. Figured it was time. I will transplant to the 5 gallon poly bags when I have enough room for them. They take a LOT of soil mix to fill them and I don't have enough here right now.
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Also, my heat problem is solved! Look what I picked up for Ten bucks from someone moving! It has dual wattage, I can use it at 650w or 1300w. This little puppy puts out some great heat. :-)
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And this poor little clone was near death. The leaves had yellowed and dying and were sticking straight up in the air. I pretty much stripped it bare and decided to give it a chance. She made it!
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And I fed my plants...BIG time today. They will no longer be malnourished. LOL I will be feeding more frequently as those pots were completely dried out in 3 days and they were drooping way too much.
I also inspected the "new girl" that I had originally thought to be male. It's a girl for sure. YEY!
When I first diagnosed that, I wasn't real sure what I was looking at...but I thought it looked different. There are no signs on it of male parts now that I know what I'm looking for.
See? Saving those male plants has taught me much!!
 
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Okay, I want to be sure to mention this on leaving the ona gel in there with the plants. I had posted a question on whether or not that aroma from the gel would permeate and affect the bud taste in any way. On another thread this very subject came up, and it was a member who noticed an aftertaste on his buds. He was using ona gel in his garage with his grow. (crazycarl's thread) After a couple others commented that it can affect it, I decided to get the ona gel out of there.
I placed it outside of the grow tent so it can't be absorbed by the plants. JUST IN CASE. LOL I don't want any "fresh linen" taste in my buds after all this work.
Better to be safe than sorry, IMO
 
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I've been worried about the carryover from my herbal deodorant sachet bombs, too. When I crumple and shake the muslin bag a cloud of little particles disperses all through the air and some settles on the plants. You could probably coax me into putting some of the stinky herb mix in my mouth and tasting it. No way I would taste ona gel! I don't think I would smoke the herbal deodorizer on a bet, however.
 
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hi mate,

cant you get a fragrance free ona gel, im sure ive seen some somewhere that dont have any fragrance added to it so ill see if i can find out, might of been a different product so dont quote me on it just yet,

also the best heaters i have ever used that cost next to nothing to run is the oil filled rads, i got a big electric fire in my living room that on highest setting costs me around £1.25 per hour or $2ish per hour,
but i got this old filled radiator and it heats up my whole living room for about £0.07p per hour, i can leave it on all night in winter and i dont end up topping the electric up everyday, but with the fire thats similar to yours i was topping my electric up daily when i could afford it,
the best thing i got was this oil filled rad, i dont use gas in my property as i changed to all electric so got a load of these oil filled rads and can leave them on all day and night and my electric bill is not much higher than it normall is.

i think my electric fire is a higher wattage than yours but even on the lowest setting it still zaps the electric, its like running a 1000w light or more on the highest setting,
 
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Hey Dp, I'll check into those oil filled radiators. I'm sure I've seen them, just can't picture it right now.
I was thinking that the only time I will have to worry about getting some heat to the plants is during the 12 hour no lights.
I thought I could maybe put this little fireplace unit on a timer to come on once an hour or so just to keep the chill down, however many cycles the timer will allow and work with that.
I'm not sure if a timer will work on it though, I have to test that today by leaving it on and seeing if the timer will kick it back off and then on again. I figured that would save a bunch on electric if I could do that.
Whatcha think?
The only "flavor" of Ona gel my hydro store carries is this danged fresh linen scent. I'll have to talk them into getting the odorless if they can.

Hey peejay...No comment on the picture I spent so much time on to get a giggle out of you??? Sheesh! Too serious today. Take a break. :16
And ya, I would wonder on the dust particles too...I'm guessing. And YUK! what a gagging smoke that would be!
 
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Hey DP,
I just did a quick look up on oil filled radiators, Staples and places like that sell them. But they start at 600w. This little fire unit I have starts at 650w.
What is the wattage on the kind you are using? I'm all about saving on that electric bill when I can! LOL
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ok cool, these oil filled rads come in a few sizes, they just like like radiators you have around the home, i guess they got oil that is pumped around inside and is heated by a low watt element, if you search the net im sure you could find them, im just thinking you could leave one of them on low as they have a dial to pick the heat setting you want,

mine has 2 switches,
switch 1 is lowest watt setting
switch 2 is a higher setting
both switches on is top setting, this just lets you choose how quick you want it to heat up,
then it has a round dial that you can turn around to what ever temp you want the room at, so its temp controlled so you dont need to use a timer, just set it to the correct temp and leave it on the lowest setting then it would cut in and out as the temp drops and rises, just thinking it would keep your room more stable and at the correct temp.

on setting 1 it costs nothing to run, im sure mine is 11w total (with both switches in on position) but ill check, its only a very low watt on the lowest setting but keeps a big room heated all night if i want it to, plus its only coming on once every hour or 2 just to bring them temp back up then it switches off again, its also on wheels so can be moved around. it just works like the rads in your house if you have any.

just thinking it might keep your running costs down as them electric fires really are power hungry and i find the temp control on them is not very accurate, but these oil filled rads are perfect, my mom has several of them as in the winter she puts the rabbits and stuff in the sheds she has in the garden and leaves these rads on so the rabbits and budgies dont freeze to death. plus if my moms cat hasnt come in before she goes to bed then she has one in the outhouse and the cat has a bed on top of it and often sleeps their instead of sleeping in the house

just trying to keep your costs down so your maximumising yield to watt ratio for the room,
 
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Thanks DP, hey if you are going to check anything on that..see if you can fly a brand name by here too. I'll pop around on craigs list and ebay and see what comes up. ;-)
I don't have any radiator heat here, it's all forced air furnace.
The radiators I remember used to have water running through them....in school rooms and older houses...if I'm remembering that right. LOL
 
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cannafan said:
Couple of updates today:
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:rofl: That's exactly how I pictured you (minus the stache) when you flipped to 12/12! :rofl:
 
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i wonder if the ones your looking at are the bigger ones, let me go see if i can see any lables on mine, they was sold in the big food stores, at the time they was sold as costing 0.04p per hour on the low setting but last time i checked using my energy monitor mine was showing about 0.07p per hour to run on the low setting.

them rads you mention at schools are pretty similar, but these are much smaller, from front to back id say its about 8inches, then mine has like 7 panels that the oil pumps through and width is just over 1ft and it stands about 2ft high, so about half the size of the fire you posted above,

they do wider ones with more rad sections like 12 sections but i went with the small ones and not needed to get the bigger ones as these keep the room temp warm, the only thing i do is if ive been out all day then ill turn both switches on and the temp control up to the highest deg c setting then when its warmed up ill turn the switches off and just have switch 1 on then i adjust the temp down to what temp i want the room at, or if i leave it on all night then ill have it on switch number 1 and the temp set at the temp i what the room it, ive had it about 6 years now and never had any problems, my moms got 5 or 6 that she uses to keep the animals warm in the winter so they dont have to be bought in the house, instead they go into sheds that have lights for them and these heaters to keep them warm, all still working and hers must be over 10 years old, she did have fan heaters in their but they was using to much electric so she bought some of these and the running costs are so low that she lives them on 24 hours a day all through the winter,

she did get raided by policce the one year though, she got 3 sheds in the back garden that she puts the rabbits and birds into when the weather gets to cold, so she has these heaters on and the helicopters must of flew over with their thermal camera a noticed that her sheds where lighting up like xmas trees, so very early one morning she had the door put through and got busted, they then searched the sheds and found her rabbits and birds, so their was a few red faced cops and my mom got a compensation for the damage they done to the floor and sheds, so she got a brand new door fitted and 3 new sheds as they had forced them all open looking for plants,

i couldnt stop laughing when she told me about it, she has never broke the law in her life and the police come down that heavy on her all because her sheds where heated, they thought she was a big commercial grower.

let me go and see if i still got the box for mine as it had all the info on the running costs on it, i know it was a huge reduction on my heating costs when i used these and my mom changed her floor fan heaters for these as well and she leaves hers on all winter and she says she dont notice any extra use on the running costs.

or maybe they are a similar to the watt you mentioned but because their oil filled they stay hotter and means they dont need to be on as long, let me see if i can find any info on mine, i know the writing on the box said it compares to a really low watt heater, maybe its because of the oil,

ill go and check if i still go the box and look on the rad for the brand
 
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from DonPaul.p:
she did get raided by policce the one year though, she got 3 sheds in the back garden that she puts the rabbits and birds into when the weather gets to cold, so she has these heaters on and the helicopters must of flew over with their thermal camera a noticed that her sheds where lighting up like xmas trees, so very early one morning she had the door put through and got busted, they then searched the sheds and found her rabbits and birds, so their was a few red faced cops and my mom got a compensation for the damage they done to the floor and sheds, so she got a brand new door fitted and 3 new sheds as they had forced them all open looking for plants,
i couldnt stop laughing when she told me about it, she has never broke the law in her life and the police come down that heavy on her all because her sheds where heated, they thought she was a big commercial grower.
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It never ceases to amaze me with all of the murderers, rapists, and thieves out in the wee hours of the mornings...they waste their time, effort, and taxpayer dollars to go half blind into busting somebody for growing what nature grows. I am glad to hear she was at least compensated for the ignorant assumptions and their actions!
 
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I believe I've been thinking of the watts a bit backward. When I read 600 watts on the unit, that means output. Right?
I was thinking it meant usage....:hmmmm:
I'm not ready for an electrical lesson today. LOL
 
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