Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg & More! CFL's - LED - HPS
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Well, you will probably be seen hanging on a clothes line with all the other freshly washed sheets and pillow cases. Wave hello to us, eh?
Well, you will probably be seen hanging on a clothes line with all the other freshly washed sheets and pillow cases. Wave hello to us, eh?Thanks Jamthe3, I"ve been tucking here and there. I really need to get another string going, some of the stems are just a tad too short to get all the way to the next wire. I'll do some tuckin' tomorrow.
GreatLife4All
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The yellowing on the one plant could be lack of light... sulfur deficiency... or possibly nitrogen.
If the lower leaves are also turning (or better, turned first) - then nitrogen.
Lack of light should be obvious... and it doesn't look to be shaded.
So that leaves sulfur.
I have to admit that this doesn't really make sense though... you should see the same symptom on all plants if you had an issue with sulfur. But at least this gives you some data to start looking for a solution.
GL4A
The yellowing on the one plant could be lack of light... sulfur deficiency... or possibly nitrogen.
If the lower leaves are also turning (or better, turned first) - then nitrogen.
Lack of light should be obvious... and it doesn't look to be shaded.
So that leaves sulfur.
I have to admit that this doesn't really make sense though... you should see the same symptom on all plants if you had an issue with sulfur. But at least this gives you some data to start looking for a solution.
GL4A
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No need to worry about lower yellowing on old growth as you'll be cutting all the growth below the screen off in 2-3 weeks anyways
No need to worry about lower yellowing on old growth as you'll be cutting all the growth below the screen off in 2-3 weeks anyways
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Don't hold me to this...but I think now that you mentioned the lower leaves starting first, that this is the plant that did have the yellowing leaves problem lower down about a week or so ago. I will check it in the morning, they are on sleep mode right now.
Is it possible that there can be a nitrogen deficiency, or any other deficiencies for that matter, in just one plant even though it has the same treatment regarding soil mix and feeding schedules? Is this part of the "Pheno type" areas? I have a lot to learn on Pheno's and all that other long time growers' knowledge base.
Thanks GreatLife4all!
Don't hold me to this...but I think now that you mentioned the lower leaves starting first, that this is the plant that did have the yellowing leaves problem lower down about a week or so ago. I will check it in the morning, they are on sleep mode right now.
Is it possible that there can be a nitrogen deficiency, or any other deficiencies for that matter, in just one plant even though it has the same treatment regarding soil mix and feeding schedules? Is this part of the "Pheno type" areas? I have a lot to learn on Pheno's and all that other long time growers' knowledge base.
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So, next knowledge question for the thread and all the new growers following....
Pheno types, what does that mean?
I think I hear a call in to DonPaul.P coming up soon.....{{rrrring}} {{rrrring ring}}
Or anyone else can take his call.... {{operator...Hello?...Operator?}}
Edit: That may very well have been discussed on this thread before. I will do a thread search tomorrow. Might have been while I was still reeling from all of the information I had absorbed in a short time. LOL
So, next knowledge question for the thread and all the new growers following....
Pheno types, what does that mean?
I think I hear a call in to DonPaul.P coming up soon.....{{rrrring}} {{rrrring ring}}
Or anyone else can take his call.... {{operator...Hello?...Operator?}}
Edit: That may very well have been discussed on this thread before. I will do a thread search tomorrow. Might have been while I was still reeling from all of the information I had absorbed in a short time. LOL
danklover79
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When I mentioned phenos, I was talking about the thin leaves on one plant, and thicker on the other, and it's the same strain. When you make a cross, you have to work with it for several grows or more, to stabilize the cross, and get the best pheno. Not speaking from experience, kind of paraphrasing what DP has posted, he is the one to talk to on that issue imo.
When I mentioned phenos, I was talking about the thin leaves on one plant, and thicker on the other, and it's the same strain. When you make a cross, you have to work with it for several grows or more, to stabilize the cross, and get the best pheno. Not speaking from experience, kind of paraphrasing what DP has posted, he is the one to talk to on that issue imo.
danklover79
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I'm sure he'll answer the call, and probably explain a lot better than I, and he's a much quiker typist than i for sure, but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night!
I'm sure he'll answer the call, and probably explain a lot better than I, and he's a much quiker typist than i for sure, but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night!
So, next knowledge question for the thread and all the new growers following....
Pheno types, what does that mean?
I think I hear a call in to DonPaul.P coming up soon.....{{rrrring}} {{rrrring ring}}
Or anyone else can take his call.... {{operator...Hello?...Operator?}}
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS
After a strain has been worked on for the desired characteristics/qualities it can be stabilized by back crossing or bx i believe.
When you cross two strains say one indica and one sativa you have an f1 hybrid. there can be wide differences in the f1 generation and those differences can come in so many ways. It is something I am learning right now myself. Searching for a stable male to try and cross my bubba.
Hope to do a journal on the project. But that is wishful thinking right now. I am exhausted trimming.
After a strain has been worked on for the desired characteristics/qualities it can be stabilized by back crossing or bx i believe.
When you cross two strains say one indica and one sativa you have an f1 hybrid. there can be wide differences in the f1 generation and those differences can come in so many ways. It is something I am learning right now myself. Searching for a stable male to try and cross my bubba.
Hope to do a journal on the project. But that is wishful thinking right now. I am exhausted trimming.
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And, I did post that question out to DonP as you will see. He'll pop around soon. ;-)
Okay, I get ya now. Kind of like Twins but not identical twins in people?
And, I did post that question out to DonP as you will see. He'll pop around soon. ;-)
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If you do get a journal going on that, I would be happy to follow along. I know DonP and KJC work with this kind of thing a lot too.
Thanks shotta, .....I sure wish I could say I am exhausted from trimming too. I'm jealous!
If you do get a journal going on that, I would be happy to follow along. I know DonP and KJC work with this kind of thing a lot too.
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Okay, I got my laughter in...the day is now complete and I'm heading for bed. Thank you. 
I'm sure he'll answer the call, and probably explain a lot better than I, and he's a much quiker typist than i for sure, but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night!
Okay, I got my laughter in...the day is now complete and I'm heading for bed. Thank you. 
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I can't go into details about phenotypes and cannabis, but I can give a basic answer. The seed is a product of male and female genetic material. Just like humans can have children with different statures, sexes, eye color, etc. - so can cannabis plants.
By selectively breeding for traits, growers can produce stock that has similar qualities. Breeders do that with dogs, roses, and cattle for example. Without getting way complicated, a strain becomes more stable as it's crossed back with the original mother or father. Cue the banjo music.
Seeds from the same plant are not genetically identical. Some strains are more stable and consistent than others - depends on how hard and long the breeder works on it. Even the most stable strains show some variety of phenotypes. That's why people like to select and keep mother plants. Clones are an exact genetic copy of the mother plant.
In the truest sense, phenotype is not purely genetic. It's an observable difference that could be caused by environment, too. But for our purposes it basically means the same two parents producing less than identical children..
So, next knowledge question for the thread and all the new growers following....
Pheno types, what does that mean?
I think I hear a call in to DonPaul.P coming up soon.....{{rrrring}} {{rrrring ring}}
Or anyone else can take his call.... {{operator...Hello?...Operator?}}
Edit: That may very well have been discussed on this thread before. I will do a thread search tomorrow. Might have been while I was still reeling from all of the information I had absorbed in a short time. LOL
I can't go into details about phenotypes and cannabis, but I can give a basic answer. The seed is a product of male and female genetic material. Just like humans can have children with different statures, sexes, eye color, etc. - so can cannabis plants.
By selectively breeding for traits, growers can produce stock that has similar qualities. Breeders do that with dogs, roses, and cattle for example. Without getting way complicated, a strain becomes more stable as it's crossed back with the original mother or father. Cue the banjo music.
Seeds from the same plant are not genetically identical. Some strains are more stable and consistent than others - depends on how hard and long the breeder works on it. Even the most stable strains show some variety of phenotypes. That's why people like to select and keep mother plants. Clones are an exact genetic copy of the mother plant.
In the truest sense, phenotype is not purely genetic. It's an observable difference that could be caused by environment, too. But for our purposes it basically means the same two parents producing less than identical children..
re: Cannafan's Perpetual Grow White Widow-Master Kush Reveg and More! CFL's/LED/HPS
ok,
pheno type,
let say you want to produce some purple buds,
well you go and buy some gdp for example and plant 10 seeds,
1 might produce huge leaves and no purple
1 might produce longer thinner leaves and again no purple
then you might get lucky and get 1 that produces purple buds, so thats the purple pheno type for that strain.
its basically the same as a type of genetic, your just looking for the best pheno type when breeding, so this kc45 auto strain ive been working on for example,
when i purchased 10 seeds it produced mixed results, some where small plants with little buds and some where big plants with small buds and some where big plants with big buds,
so theirs 3 pheno types from 10 seeds.
then i had to work with the males, again i grew out all the males i had and checked each one for rate of growth, node spacing and size, then when i found the best pheno type for the males i then collected pollen from that male, (pheno type)
then it was a case of putting this pollen on the biggest female pheno type from the batch of seeds, so then that plant produced seeds,
so id then grow out them seeds and again pollenate the biggest and best female, (best pheno type of that batch)
then that produced seeds, so with each batch of seeds i was getting higher numbers of bigger females, so i kept back crossing the biggest and best female with the best male pollen which i had stored,
so i was always working with the best female pheno type each time i grew the seeds, then the best female pheno was crossed back with the biggest male pheno i had. that then makes that certain pheno type more stable as each new batch of seeds is back crossed to make that certain pheno type stronger with each cross made, in the end your left with a stable strain that produces nice plants each time its grown.
so basically if you want the best pheno type to work with then your looking for the best plant from a batch of seeds.
or say you plant 2 white widows and one grows fast and gets big and the other grows slow and stays small, then you have got 2 pheno types from that one strain,
some strains you buy are stable and these are F1 strains, then you have strains that are not stable and these will produce many pheno types, or different results with each plant grown
i just bought a purple strain that subcool produced, in the write up he says the plant has many pheno types and the purple one is highly sought after, so basically ive not got a very high chance of getting a purple plant from his seeds but if i do then ill be very happy.
ok,
pheno type,
let say you want to produce some purple buds,
well you go and buy some gdp for example and plant 10 seeds,
1 might produce huge leaves and no purple
1 might produce longer thinner leaves and again no purple
then you might get lucky and get 1 that produces purple buds, so thats the purple pheno type for that strain.
its basically the same as a type of genetic, your just looking for the best pheno type when breeding, so this kc45 auto strain ive been working on for example,
when i purchased 10 seeds it produced mixed results, some where small plants with little buds and some where big plants with small buds and some where big plants with big buds,
so theirs 3 pheno types from 10 seeds.
then i had to work with the males, again i grew out all the males i had and checked each one for rate of growth, node spacing and size, then when i found the best pheno type for the males i then collected pollen from that male, (pheno type)
then it was a case of putting this pollen on the biggest female pheno type from the batch of seeds, so then that plant produced seeds,
so id then grow out them seeds and again pollenate the biggest and best female, (best pheno type of that batch)
then that produced seeds, so with each batch of seeds i was getting higher numbers of bigger females, so i kept back crossing the biggest and best female with the best male pollen which i had stored,
so i was always working with the best female pheno type each time i grew the seeds, then the best female pheno was crossed back with the biggest male pheno i had. that then makes that certain pheno type more stable as each new batch of seeds is back crossed to make that certain pheno type stronger with each cross made, in the end your left with a stable strain that produces nice plants each time its grown.
so basically if you want the best pheno type to work with then your looking for the best plant from a batch of seeds.
or say you plant 2 white widows and one grows fast and gets big and the other grows slow and stays small, then you have got 2 pheno types from that one strain,
some strains you buy are stable and these are F1 strains, then you have strains that are not stable and these will produce many pheno types, or different results with each plant grown
i just bought a purple strain that subcool produced, in the write up he says the plant has many pheno types and the purple one is highly sought after, so basically ive not got a very high chance of getting a purple plant from his seeds but if i do then ill be very happy.
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Donpaul.p and to all the rest of you who answered this question. I FINALLY understand it.
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.....and Peejay...I'm digging out my copy of "Deliverance" to watch tomorrow. "cue the banjo music"....
.....and Peejay...I'm digging out my copy of "Deliverance" to watch tomorrow. "cue the banjo music"....
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"The Boy's from Brazil" might be more apropos...
.....and Peejay...I'm digging out my copy of "Deliverance" to watch tomorrow. "cue the banjo music"....
"The Boy's from Brazil" might be more apropos...
GreatLife4All
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Agreed.
Agreed.
RainStacks
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I got my laughs for the night too!
About the nutrients. There can be a huge difference in plant's tolerance/need for nutes even among the same strain. In my grow I was giving 1.5tps/.5gal of ferts when she first went into flower (in addition to other micro nutes etc.) I could give Tiger Lilly .25tsp/.5gal and get very bad clawing; while Shredder showed little to no ill effects. It is possible that these seeds were not all pollinated from the same male, or that I germed another and got confused, but still the amount of nutes each could take is significantly different at 6x.
.....and Peejay...I'm digging out my copy of "Deliverance" to watch tomorrow. "cue the banjo music"....
I got my laughs for the night too!
About the nutrients. There can be a huge difference in plant's tolerance/need for nutes even among the same strain. In my grow I was giving 1.5tps/.5gal of ferts when she first went into flower (in addition to other micro nutes etc.) I could give Tiger Lilly .25tsp/.5gal and get very bad clawing; while Shredder showed little to no ill effects. It is possible that these seeds were not all pollinated from the same male, or that I germed another and got confused, but still the amount of nutes each could take is significantly different at 6x.
GrowinPains
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Hey PC, looking great. I can give you some help on the egg shells because I make my own eggshell powder for use in my homemade organic dog food. I wash the egg shells in hot water(have read some people boil them) then I bake them to both dry them & kill any nasty stuff like bacteria. I bake them at 325 for about 7minutes then flip them & turn oven off & let them sit in oven while it cools down. They will stink if you over bake them.I have also read some people nuke gem to kill the nasty stuff. After they are dried, I put them in a coffee grinder to make powder. I would think since you are using them with plants just crushing them will suffice, when using it in dog food you to make it powder because crushed even really small it can have sharp edges & cut up a dog inside whereas in plants that isn't a concern. Not sure about plants but as a food supplement, it doesn't take much, however, I did a google search for egg shell powder in gardening & there was a 11 minute video on YouTube popped up in which they were proclaiming to tell you everything you need to know on esp for garden use. I didn't watch it cause ofthe late hour but it might be helpful. Keep up the great work & bummed about the Tigers
Hey PC, looking great. I can give you some help on the egg shells because I make my own eggshell powder for use in my homemade organic dog food. I wash the egg shells in hot water(have read some people boil them) then I bake them to both dry them & kill any nasty stuff like bacteria. I bake them at 325 for about 7minutes then flip them & turn oven off & let them sit in oven while it cools down. They will stink if you over bake them.I have also read some people nuke gem to kill the nasty stuff. After they are dried, I put them in a coffee grinder to make powder. I would think since you are using them with plants just crushing them will suffice, when using it in dog food you to make it powder because crushed even really small it can have sharp edges & cut up a dog inside whereas in plants that isn't a concern. Not sure about plants but as a food supplement, it doesn't take much, however, I did a google search for egg shell powder in gardening & there was a 11 minute video on YouTube popped up in which they were proclaiming to tell you everything you need to know on esp for garden use. I didn't watch it cause ofthe late hour but it might be helpful. Keep up the great work & bummed about the Tigers