Budmaker2112's First Attempt - Ebb&Flow - Coco - LED - Auto White Widow & Candy Cane

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I'm about to post a new update with pics. Guess I better get on it, eh? :blushsmile:
 
Re: Budmaker2112's First Attempt - Ebb&Flow - Coco - LED - Auto White Widow & Candy C

Thanks to everyone that is hanging with me during my lacking updates. I have been balls to the wall for over a week now.. I like to slow down now in life, hell its why I moved to the NW. I like the slow lane now...LOL

ANYWAY, a little update on what is going on in my tent.

6/11/17 (Day 27)

Auto White Widow x(2) Auto Candy Cane x(2)

- 475ppm flood twice a day for 3 minutes each.
- 5.9pH this morning, I let it drift upwards from 5.8 to 6.0 then adjust to 5.8 again.
- Res temps are being kept below 73 by adding frozen water bottles.
- Humidity 45-55%
- Temps 72-80
- Changed res yesterday
- Lights are at 24"

I have changed a couple things in how I handle pH. I was always micro managing my pH to stay at 5.8 but have realized that I should let it drift upwards. I think its why I have been having such a problem with cal mag def., so lets see what happens now. I just made this change yesterday. I also foliar sprayed a few days back with cal mag to help with the def I was seeing.

This morning I am noticing what I think is N toxicity or maybe results from my 150 ppm cal mag foliar spray I did Friday afternoon.... I hope Im wrong and its just me being a newb at everything. I am seeing misformed leaves on younger growth, clawing, dark green/blueish color. I just changed res yesterday so I was thinking that I would give it a couple days and go from there, advice?

What I find interesting is that I have two girls that are giving me all the trouble or shall I say I am not doing a good job with them:P. But they are one from each strain, so its hard to say if I am having strain resulting issues with nutes or what not. I will check this but I think the two I am having the issues with are the two bigger ones. I should verify that....

Something to note also while thinking about what my girls are looking like is that I was feeding them 640'ish ppm nutes a week ago and I lowered to 525 and now to 475 with yesterdays res change. I started to see a little nute burn at 640 ppm last week.

Right now I am seeing SO MUCH new growth! Its amazing! :party: I really don't know where to start in LST and stuff. I watched videos and read posts of course but its like all the stems are just too short to me. I did get some pipe cleaners and binder clips yesterday. I welcome all thoughts on what I can do right now to help get light everywhere I can to get more cola sites to form and grow to the light. I did top all four 10'ish days ago but ended up only getting two done correctly. LOL SO two fimmed and two topped. It will end up being a good comparison since it ended up being one from each strain.

Well now for a photo dump of the girls.

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Have a green day! :allgood::rollit:
 
Re: Budmaker2112's First Attempt - Ebb&Flow - Coco - LED - Auto White Widow & Candy C

In my Opinion this is P-Def combined with Ca and Mg excess. Too little amount of P causes that the Plant can´t use MG and CA proper, causing an excess of it.

Why do i think this?

P-Def shows up as Petiols that turn purplish. Check

P-Def shows up as Blueish-Green Leaves. Check

P-Def shows up as Leaves develop dark copper coloured or purplish Black Blotches at lower Leaves. Check

P-Def shows up as lower Leaves start to conturt and wrinkle, what moves up the Plant slowly. Check



That was it for P, now to Mg and Ca


Ca-Excess shows up as Minor Leaf-Wilt. Check

Ca-Excess shows up as Leaves turn darker green with a hint of Blue in it at the edges. Check



Mg:

Mg-Excess shows up as very Dark Green Foliage. Check

Mg-Excess shows up as overall Salt Toxicity. Maybe Check

Compared to what is symptomatic for Mg-Def, there is no sign of it. No Leav yellowing, nothing. In case of Ca it´s harder to tell, cause Symptoms are very Similar in excess and Def. But my guess is more P and not more CalMag.
 
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Crocodoc said:
In my Opinion this is P-Def combined with Ca and Mg excess. Too little amount of P causes that the Plant can´t use MG and CA proper, causing an excess of it.

Why do i think this?

P-Def shows up as Petiols that turn purplish. Check

P-Def shows up as Blueish-Green Leaves. Check

P-Def shows up as Leaves develop dark copper coloured or purplish Black Blotches at lower Leaves. Check

P-Def shows up as lower Leaves start to conturt and wrinkle, what moves up the Plant slowly. Check



That was it for P, now to Mg and Ca


Ca-Excess shows up as Minor Leaf-Wilt. Check

Ca-Excess shows up as Leaves turn darker green with a hint of Blue in it at the edges. Check



Mg:

Mg-Excess shows up as very Dark Green Foliage. Check

Mg-Excess shows up as overall Salt Toxicity. Maybe Check

Compared to what is symptomatic for Mg-Def, there is no sign of it. No Leav yellowing, nothing. In case of Ca it´s harder to tell, cause Symptoms are very Similar in excess and Def. But my guess is more P and not more CalMag.
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Ya know I was fighting a pretty bad P-Def not that long ago with some very red petiols. That has gotten much better but does not rule out there is still some P-Def going on. When we realized there was a P-Def and probably many other lockouts happening is when I flushed the girls and made a new res of nutes raised it to 640ppm to give them some more P and it seem to work. Four days later I noticed nute burn starting so I backed off to 525ppm by topping of res with plain RO water. Yesterday morning I top water fed them 1 gallon and checked the runoff and they all were between 6.0-6.3pH and averaged 525ppm. I then changed res and decided to lower a little more to 475ppm where I am now.

Here is a log I created to help track how things are going, maybe it may help some.

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SO, where to go from here? Since I just top fed and changed res do I ride it out or is it flush time?

Thanks brother! :rollit:
 
Re: Budmaker2112's First Attempt - Ebb&Flow - Coco - LED - Auto White Widow & Candy C

I would not flush them. First, i would change my ph to a constant level of 6,0. As far as i know, coco doenst hold up any Nutes very well, so a flush may be not required. a ph of 6 makes P more usable for your plants, maybe this is the only adjustment needed. I would try that together with reduced CalMag
 
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The general consensus when I needed to flush was that very dilute nutes (approx 1/4) are better than just water. Some think that plain water can be too much of a shock to the plants.
 
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Im finding a lot of nutes seem to be taken up at slightly higher ph. 6.0-6.2 seems to be the sweet spot for me.
 
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Interesting info, PW

Everyone always says to aim for 5.8, especially in coco. Is there a definitive way to check nute uptake in plants, other than deficiencies and excess?
 
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Ec meter, i monitor PPM, PH and water level then i follow this table:
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Crocodoc said:
I would not flush them. First, i would change my ph to a constant level of 6,0. As far as i know, coco doenst hold up any Nutes very well, so a flush may be not required. a ph of 6 makes P more usable for your plants, maybe this is the only adjustment needed. I would try that together with reduced CalMag
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I am headed to adjust the pH now. Thank you do much for your wisdom! :thumb:

Lady Antheia said:
The general consensus when I needed to flush was that very dilute nutes (approx 1/4) are better than just water. Some think that plain water can be too much of a shock to the plants.
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Thank you and I think that is a good idea for sure.

pennywise said:
Im finding a lot of nutes seem to be taken up at slightly higher ph. 6.0-6.2 seems to be the sweet spot for me.
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Im going to run it up a hair and see what the numbers look like after a couple feedings.

Thanks everyone!
 
Re: Budmaker2112's First Attempt - Ebb&Flow - Coco - LED - Auto White Widow & Candy C

Ive followed it for 3 grows now and it heads off potential problems before they have a chance to show.
 
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pennywise said:
Ec meter, i monitor PPM, PH and water level then i follow this table:
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I guess its the Same for hydro dwc? May be a nooby question, but if so, you Just saved me a Lot of time :)
 
Re: Budmaker2112's First Attempt - Ebb&Flow - Coco - LED - Auto White Widow & Candy C

budmaker2112 said:
I am headed to adjust the pH now. Thank you do much for your wisdom! :thumb:



Thank you and I think that is a good idea for sure.



Im going to run it up a hair and see what the numbers look like after a couple feedings.

Thanks everyone!
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It's Not wisdom, i do feel actually pretty stupid very often or think that i'm Not knowing enough when it comes to grow really really Well. I mean Look at my grow. I do had a Lot of issues. Thats of course Not because i got wisdom or stuff like that ;)
 
Re: Budmaker2112's First Attempt - Ebb&Flow - Coco - LED - Auto White Widow & Candy C

Join the crowd Croc, the chart will work for DWC, Rdwc, aero, ebb and flow. Any setting where you have a container feeding a nute solution to your plants.
 
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Im joining soon. I dont think soil is Bad or something. It's Just the Speed in it that doesnt fit my demands. I will do some Clones in hydro, Booth are first Times for me. So what can possibly Go wrong :)
 
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I find hydro to be rather simple really, monitor ph like your life depends on it. I use AN nutrients which take a lot of the guess work out of the equation.
 
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pennywise said:
I find hydro to be rather simple really, monitor ph like your life depends on it. I use AN nutrients which take a lot of the guess work out of the equation.
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What is AN nutrients?
 
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