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Hey BID, just found out some interesting info about CS and a new way to use it. Hydro or soil. I wanted to run it past you since you have a good idea about CS. Theres a new product out thats called Colloidal Shield. Im about to email the company to see if there is any true difference between there product and regular CS. Theres is 25-30 PPM though. Which at 1/4 cup will take care of a 5 gallon res. Heres some specs.

Colloidal Silver will boost immunity and speed up cell rejuvenation. Also , killing and preventing crop borne pathogens is a guarantee , no matter if you're adding colloidal silver to your reservoir, mixing it in your nutrient solution or using it as a foliar spray. Known as natures antibiotic, ionic colloidal silver will help main- tain plant vitality and prevent disease in all stages of growth!
 
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BID, I am halfway through and my eyes are burnin'. :trance:
I am very interested in your pollen gathering and storage techniques.
I love Slayer, tearing stuff up and Metal n general. Many of my friends are Metal Heads, about 1/2:rocker:
I also love Classic Rock and building stuff, so the other half of my friends are Boot Hippies.( The kind that do shit and take a shower daily).:hippy:

I also took a look at your photo gallery. They all looked good to a point. I have come to a conclusion that the unhappy plants are unhappy not because you did something to cause their current state. Environmental issues, namely the cold snap. It looks like over watering slowing down nute uptake. The extreme cold can do that quick. Freezing the water in the roots and bursting them, and forcing the plant to build more roots to support the canopy, pulling nutes from the leaves to help accomplish this,making it look even worse. All in all not to bad considering. Not my final answer, but one of the possibilities rattling in my head. :peace:
 
Re: BID 4.0 - Hydro - Autos - JDL - DWC Bubble Buckets - Blue Planet Nutrients Shooto

Hey BID, just found out some interesting info about CS and a new way to use it. Hydro or soil. I wanted to run it past you since you have a good idea about CS. Theres a new product out thats called Colloidal Shield. Im about to email the company to see if there is any true difference between there product and regular CS. Theres is 25-30 PPM though. Which at 1/4 cup will take care of a 5 gallon res. Heres some specs.

Colloidal Silver will boost immunity and speed up cell rejuvenation. Also , killing and preventing crop borne pathogens is a guarantee , no matter if you're adding colloidal silver to your reservoir, mixing it in your nutrient solution or using it as a foliar spray. Known as natures antibiotic, ionic colloidal silver will help main- tain plant vitality and prevent disease in all stages of growth!
well thats interesting, is it intended for cannabis? in my exp cs will cause them to be manly, i mean its what many of us use to produce fem seed! so in a reservoir? i dont know, seems a lil scary, i can see how it would be good at keeping things sanitary though
BID, I am halfway through and my eyes are burnin'. :trance:
I am very interested in your pollen gathering and storage techniques.
I love Slayer, tearing stuff up and Metal n general. Many of my friends are Metal Heads, about 1/2:rocker:
I also love Classic Rock and building stuff, so the other half of my friends are Boot Hippies.( The kind that do shit and take a shower daily).:hippy:

I also took a look at your photo gallery. They all looked good to a point. I have come to a conclusion that the unhappy plants are unhappy not because you did something to cause their current state. Environmental issues, namely the cold snap. It looks like over watering slowing down nute uptake. The extreme cold can do that quick. Freezing the water in the roots and bursting them, and forcing the plant to build more roots to support the canopy, pulling nutes from the leaves to help accomplish this,making it look even worse. All in all not to bad considering. Not my final answer, but one of the possibilities rattling in my head. :peace:
i dont think its been cold enough to freeze anything, not according to my thermometers anyway, and im not sure i can concur on over watering considering most of the time i struggle to keep them from drying out and wilting! but your comments are interesting in any case, sorry bout your eyes lol need some eye drops?
 
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Yea thats all it was stating. Just keeping things good in soil or res. I did alot more googling today and I havent seen anything bad about not using it in the res. I even seen someone say it worked as a foliar spray for mold etc. But they had to been using 20 PPM. So im assuming anything under 30 PPM is safe.
 
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ok for those of you interested in how i collect and store pollen

first on a regular male after i know his sex i super crop the main stem as low as i can or turn the pot on its side so hes laying over i put a tray with waxed paper under to collect the falling pollen, i isolate him in a room of his own, and some times include a female that i want seeded,
after pollen collection for a couple days (i usually take several samples) i dry the pollen for a few days in a small container like a skoal can or rx bottle i label and date the sample, once dry i mix the pollen with some diatomaceous earth or sterilized flour (bake some flour dry at 300f for 20 min) to increase the volume it only takes a little pollen to go a long way, i divide the batches into several separate packages i fold some small wax paper envelopes add the pollen de/flour mixture and write the date etc, this way i can remove a sample without removing all of it from the freezer i store the little envelopes in a rx bottle or other small bottle in that bottle i put silica gel packets i then store the bottles in a large ziplock bag thats been filled 1/4 of the way with "damp rid" moisture absorber, this keeps any and all moisture at bay, when i remove a sample it goes from freezer to frig for an hour then coutertop for 10 min, this is to prevent any condensation then i apply the pollen mixture to the desired female ,thats my method it has kept pollen viable for over a year so far!:thumb:
 
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ok for those of you interested in how i collect and store pollen

first on a regular male after i know his sex i super crop the main stem as low as i can or turn the pot on its side so hes laying over i put a tray with waxed paper under to collect the falling pollen, i isolate him in a room of his own, and some times include a female that i want seeded,
after pollen collection for a couple days (i usually take several samples) i dry the pollen for a few days in a small container like a skoal can or rx bottle i label and date the sample, once dry i mix the pollen with some diatomaceous earth or sterilized flour (bake some flour dry at 300f for 20 min) to increase the volume it only takes a little pollen to go a long way, i divide the batches into several separate packages i fold some small wax paper envelopes add the pollen de/flour mixture and write the date etc, this way i can remove a sample without removing all of it from the freezer i store the little envelopes in a rx bottle or other small bottle in that bottle i put silica gel packets i then store the bottles in a large ziplock bag thats been filled 1/4 of the way with "damp rid" moisture absorber, this keeps any and all moisture at bay, when i remove a sample it goes from freezer to frig for an hour then coutertop for 10 min, this is to prevent any condensation then i apply the pollen mixture to the desired female ,thats my method it has kept pollen viable for over a year so far!:thumb:

Thanks BID! :thanks:

So is each pollen 'bindle' a single use? ie you put in just enough for one pollination, or will you use some and put the rest back with the others? Your approach makes a LOT of sense. Very wise to dose out the pollen. I'm several months away from any breeding efforts, but it can't hurt to start learning now. :)
 
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Thanks BID! :thanks:

So is each pollen 'bindle' a single use? ie you put in just enough for one pollination, or will you use some and put the rest back with the others? Your approach makes a LOT of sense. Very wise to dose out the pollen. I'm several months away from any breeding efforts, but it can't hurt to start learning now. :)
you got it! i put enough in each envelope to fully cover a large cola or a half dozen or so smaller buds, in each batch of pollen from a given collection i will make a few odd sizes like 1-2 real small envelopes and a couple that are larger that way i can pick the size pollen amount i need but yeah this works really well to prevent waste and having to thaw and re freeze, witch as i have read will render most of your pollen useless ,
i only thaw what i need, and so far its worked really well kinda like having all my males ready to do their bizniss' anytime with out having them in clone form taking up space and count #'s

hey i was reading about breeding for months before i attempted to try any real work on it, i like to feel like i have a handle on it , so your doing it right i think, not that flying by the seat of your pants isnt fun to i have been known to do that on occasion lol
 
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you got it! i put enough in each envelope to fully cover a large cola or a half dozen or so smaller buds, in each batch of pollen from a given collection i will make a few odd sizes like 1-2 real small envelopes and a couple that are larger that way i can pick the size pollen amount i need but yeah this works really well to prevent waste and having to thaw and re freeze, witch as i have read will render most of your pollen useless ,
i only thaw what i need, and so far its worked really well kinda like having all my males ready to do their bizniss' anytime with out having them in clone form taking up space and count #'s

hey i was reading about breeding for months before i attempted to try any real work on it, i like to feel like i have a handle on it , so your doing it right i think, not that flying by the seat of your pants isnt fun to i have been known to do that on occasion lol

Thanks! I really liked your idea of 'cutting' the pollen with DE or flour or something. Brilliant!

Have you heard of the "Bonsai Sultan Method?" If so, what do you think about it? Have you tried it at all?

I'm planning to keep 2 father plants indefinitely, so it sounded like a great technique to just flower a mail clone and make a little "pollen paintbrush" of sorts. The method made a lot sense and seemed like it would allow for more crosses in a shorter time. I'll use your method to collect and store a ton of pollen when I cycle out the fathers.

Which is more important, keeping the same original father or the mother? My understanding is you want to back cross with the same parent by fertilizing the daughters with the original father. Or do I have it backwards? lol
 
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Thanks! I really liked your idea of 'cutting' the pollen with DE or flour or something. Brilliant!

Have you heard of the "Bonsai Sultan Method?" If so, what do you think about it? Have you tried it at all?

I'm planning to keep 2 father plants indefinitely, so it sounded like a great technique to just flower a mail clone and make a little "pollen paintbrush" of sorts. The method made a lot sense and seemed like it would allow for more crosses in a shorter time. I'll use your method to collect and store a ton of pollen when I cycle out the fathers.

Which is more important, keeping the same original father or the mother? My understanding is you want to back cross with the same parent by fertilizing the daughters with the original father. Or do I have it backwards? lol

i have heard of it but im not remembering what it involves , it seems i remember that it looked like a good thing, i will go look up that thread, ok i went and looked yeah if you have the stuff to do it it would be cool to do its kinda like the dutch method well one of them, i would try it but im so invested in my tents & lights setup i have i just go with what i have, but one day i may try something like that, i would love to see it done!
your ideas for male clones works pretty well i have done something similar i have clones of both my big male gdp's right now i will keep them till im decided on the best one, and have stored a grip of pollen
im pretty sure one of the best ways to backcross and stabilize is with the original male, so yeah i believe your right, and if we are wrong im sure one of our other breeders will chime in:thumb:

well i have pulled out the mmmf and blue dream and getting ready to harvest they both looke quite ready, trichs look good, smell, pistils all indicate yes its time they are at a little over 9 weeks flower sooo more pics soon:high-five:
 
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well i have pulled out the mmmf and blue dream and getting ready to harvest they both looke quite ready, trichs look good, smell, pistils all indicate yes its time they are at a little over 9 weeks flower sooo more pics soon:high-five:
:yahoo: Been looking forward to this...remember them when they were just babies! :cheesygrinsmiley:
:tokin:
 
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Great tips on storing pollen, BID. :goodjob: + rep

I've heard the flour trick before, but I'd never considered Diatomaceous Earth as a possbility. Good thinking! :thumb:

For those wanting to try to store pollen for the first time - don't skimp on the parts BID mentioned regarding drying the flour, silica gel packs, damp-rid etc. It's very important that steps are taken so that the pollen remain completely dry, as moisture will ruin it fast and render it unusable. I've heard of people further filtering/sifting the pollen, too, to make sure any small plant material is removed, which can lead to moisture and other issues as well.
 
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Quote of the Day:
"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."
- John Adams
 
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ok gang its update timarooty :thumb: i will start with the veg tent and something odd happening, most are aware i defol'd the gdp's last update well the 2 males got severe chopping and the female got much less and some supercropping & lst, funny thing is the males reacted by turning pale and getting a little crispy on the edges one worse than the other the female seems to be fine and healing quickly, the males are showing signs of rebound over the last few days, there are no variables other than defol level all receive same food light enviros, im not worried about loosing them as i have clones of all the gdp's well rooted, the only theory i can come up with is ,shock? and or some kind of nute overload due to how much was being used to support all that leaf and then suddenly its all gone? just a theory, and the one that turned nearly white , in the pics it has been greening back up for a couple days
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any and all comments welcome
next update will be hozonas MMMF clone
 
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ok heres the clone i grew out of hozonas "MMMF" i dont know much about it heres what i observed while harvesting
it was a bit on the leafy side kind a pain to trim reminds me of my original version of trailor trash , the buds were on the lighter fluffier side showing a sativa parentage ,smells were also sativa-ish by harvest time the catshit grapfruit smell had changed to a nice "old school pot/citrus/ armpit" aroma, trichs were moderate to low and about 50% amber 50% cloudy , no definitive "cola" formation but solid flowers all the way up the stems, smoke report later,pics now
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ok well i was quite tired last night and was gonna wait ti trim her till today but i went ahead and did it last night and since i just dove in i didnt get pic till i finished and did not go as detailed and tight as i would normally im reserving a clone in veg just in case this is a good strain for me, there should also be a few beans i dusted a small bud with some royal purple kush pollen
 
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ok and i know this is one we have all been looking fwd to also a lil thing called blue dream!:thumb: right now i gotta say WOW!!! this has got to be the frostiest plant i have ever cut even though there was little to trim i had to clean of three big wads of scissor hash and i could stick a bud to the ceiling! pure goo fest! the smell is very powerful sweet berries/blueberry spiffy said "berry with a hint of dirty diapers" :loopy: ok um i dont get that but thats what she said, the trimming was fast and easy even the trim was sparkling with trichs, i noticed trichs on every part of the plant even the main stems, the fan leaves all the way to the end front and back, im glad i have an even bigger girl that just started flowering and several clones this is a keeper strain for sure even if its not for me somebody will want this always its a trich beast! and could be used to up trichs on other strains, i will be making fem seeds and making some crosses hmm " grand daddy blue purps haze"? any way
i got a surprising wet weight of 5.34 oz from a relatively small plant 4 main tops i dried her out 4-5 days before the cut
the buds are heavy and rock like density ok off to the pics
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ok there ya go guys im pretty sure i will enter this one in notm this or next month shes a beauty im in love and im yet to even taste smoke report coming soon
 
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All are fantastic! I am amazed at the Blue Dream.

Also that issue with the GDP is interesting.

Keep up the great work brother!
 
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Great update BID The Blue Dream was as advertised and I have to say all of the "clones" I aquired, other than the Sour Diesel which was a seedling, were like-wise...MMMF looked trichy and gooey, but that Blue Drean....WOW :yahoo:Thanks for taking her on ....and you're right lotsa trimming on the MMMF...the one I have vegging looks like a little shrub...defo'd the all veggers today...lotsa nodes on the MMMF and oldest sour diesel....Looking forward to getting the veggers in the tent AND my next trip your direction. Going out of town for St Patricks Day week-end. You have more than 1 contender for NOTM...reps!
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