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Heirloom said:
To whom ever the original poster is I say this. You forgot a key factor in your argument. Yes, we have one Sun, no it does not change per earths seasons. Atmospheric filtering? Minimal. However the light spectrum DOES change. It's called the Doppler Shift and is due to our elliptical orbit. Plant DO recognize this. Though it is not required to flower Cannabis, it may matter for other species. I have a cool new friend who knows all about plants, she'll probably know. I'm gonna ask her later.
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i didnt bother thinking about that side of the argument and your right, redshift probably does make a difference to many plants, MJ uses light hours to determine the time of the year, but i wouldnt bat an eyelid at the thought of plants measuring seasons with doppler.

however i hope just for now we can focus our collective mind on this theory about 2700k flouros having enough blue to VEG with.
the answer to this question has a substantial £$ attached to it for thousands of growers of many types of plants al over the world.
and it can personally upgrade my current lighting schedule by arounf 400% of what i currently have it at.

im now desperate to know the truth. i would love to just plug em all in and let it rip, but if im brutally honest i had to pay for electric in pennies yesterday...i NEED to be sure before i waste energy.
 
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GiGaBaNE said:
i didnt bother thinking about that side of the argument and your right, redshift probably does make a difference to many plants, MJ uses light hours to determine the time of the year, but i wouldnt bat an eyelid at the thought of plants measuring seasons with doppler.

however i hope just for now we can focus our collective mind on this theory about 2700k flouros having enough blue to flower with.
the answer to this question has a substantial £$ attached to it for thousands of growers of many types of plants al over the world.
and it can personally upgrade my current lighting schedule by arounf 400% of what i currently have it at.

im now desperate to know the truth. i would love to just plug em all in and let it rip, but if im brutally honest i had to pay for electric in pennies yesterday...i NEED to be sure before i waste energy.
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im not sure i understand, 2700k having enough":blue" to flower with? 2700k are generally "the" choice for flowering cfl/fluros, , but this has been my experience with cfl the more the better period regardless of spectrum unless its some odd thing like blacklight, theres enough of whatever in the common colors to merit using what you have, i flowered around 25 plants with only cfl bulbs and it got better every time i added light be it 2700k or 6500k i understand your concerns over $$ i just moved because i could not pay the electric among other things, i roll and spend change all the time, hopefully things are going to get better after making the sacrifice we did, i make it because i have a great support system/family:circle-of-love:
 
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ok well i feel the same way tho more light is good as long as you have some blues going you should be fine imho
 
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:thedoubletake::hmmm::surrender:
Blue Planet Nutrients said:
Just for grins....blue and red lights excite different electrons in different orbitals in the chlorophyll molecule. The wavelength of light corresponds to the what orbital the electrons are excited in. As the electron travels down the electron transport chain, the thylakoid lumen is acidified which powers the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP as the H+ ions exit the thylakoid lumen through the integral membrane protein ATP synthase. At the end of the electron transport chain is NADP which is reduced by the electron to NADP- which takes a H+ ion forming NADPH, another energy transfer molecule. Since the chlorophyll molecule has lost an electron, it becomes a powerful oxidizer and wants that electron replaced. That is how water is split into H+ and O2, the chlorophyll gets the electron from water and the H+ ions acidify the thylakoid lumen and oxygen is created in the oxygen evolving complex...I love plants, they are da bomb.
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OK Folks......Lets include LEDs in this discussion.....The ones I have are really designed for flowering and their spectrum output does the job better than any thing I've used before. Is this the future? :Namaste:
 
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Blue Planet Nutrients said:
Just for grins....blue and red lights excite different electrons in different orbitals in the chlorophyll molecule. The wavelength of light corresponds to the what orbital the electrons are excited in. As the electron travels down the electron transport chain, the thylakoid lumen is acidified which powers the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP as the H+ ions exit the thylakoid lumen through the integral membrane protein ATP synthase. At the end of the electron transport chain is NADP which is reduced by the electron to NADP- which takes a H+ ion forming NADPH, another energy transfer molecule. Since the chlorophyll molecule has lost an electron, it becomes a powerful oxidizer and wants that electron replaced. That is how water is split into H+ and O2, the chlorophyll gets the electron from water and the H+ ions acidify the thylakoid lumen and oxygen is created in the oxygen evolving complex...I love plants, they are da bomb.
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As always, and excellently informative post... now I know the chemistry of how we get oxygen from our plants! So, yeah! Thanks for that!
 
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Heirloom said:
To whom ever the original poster is I say this. You forgot a key factor in your argument. Yes, we have one Sun, no it does not change per earths seasons. Atmospheric filtering? Minimal. However the light spectrum DOES change. It's called the Doppler Shift and is due to our elliptical orbit. Plant DO recognize this. Though it is not required to flower Cannabis, it may matter for other species. I have a cool new friend who knows all about plants, she'll probably know. I'm gonna ask her later.
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I knew someone would see this! I didn't mention it, because I wanted to see if someone else was on the see page. Thank you for pointing that out. I tried to say this in another thread some months ago, and was immediately beaten about the head and face for it. So good on you, my friend.
 
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Blue Planet Nutrients said:
Just for grins....blue and red lights excite different electrons in different orbitals in the chlorophyll molecule. The wavelength of light corresponds to the what orbital the electrons are excited in. As the electron travels down the electron transport chain, the thylakoid lumen is acidified which powers the phosphorylation of ADP to ATP as the H+ ions exit the thylakoid lumen through the integral membrane protein ATP synthase. At the end of the electron transport chain is NADP which is reduced by the electron to NADP- which takes a H+ ion forming NADPH, another energy transfer molecule. Since the chlorophyll molecule has lost an electron, it becomes a powerful oxidizer and wants that electron replaced. That is how water is split into H+ and O2, the chlorophyll gets the electron from water and the H+ ions acidify the thylakoid lumen and oxygen is created in the oxygen evolving complex...I love plants, they are da bomb.
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Dude really?? How bout some english here! lol
 
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bigirishdoode said:
im not sure i understand, 2700k having enough":blue" to flower with? 2700k are generally "the" choice for flowering cfl/fluros, , but this has been my experience with cfl the more the better period regardless of spectrum unless its some odd thing like blacklight, theres enough of whatever in the common colors to merit using what you have, i flowered around 25 plants with only cfl bulbs and it got better every time i added light be it 2700k or 6500k i understand your concerns over $$ i just moved because i could not pay the electric among other things, i roll and spend change all the time, hopefully things are going to get better after making the sacrifice we did, i make it because i have a great support system/family:circle-of-love:
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to clarify: 2700K Fluoros have enough inherent "Blue" in their basic manufacture to support veg. Not all light sources, just those with a fluoro base. Almost as much as the "Cool White", it's just that with the addition of the "red" we don't really see the blue as much, but the instruments don't lie.

Partially due to the spikes from the mercury itself inside in all CFL, and T5 in the 460nm peak production is covered and the rest is in the coatings. The 2700k light also has an increase in the 640nm wavelength range, so it actually to me, seems a better all-round Fluoro to grow with, rather than the 6500k Cool White tubes.

Granted, though, the Cool White tubes, in general put out less light around the 640nm range, so this would seem to remove the reason for stretching toward a light source, since this "red-ish" light is the trigger to do so. However, if there is enough "blue-ish" light, there is no reason to stretch.

Someone tell me they want to hear WHY this is done... please? Blue vs. Red makes a plant stretch or not... anyone?
 
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jandre2k3 said:
I knew someone would see this! I didn't mention it, because I wanted to see if someone else was on the see page. Thank you for pointing that out. I tried to say this in another thread some months ago, and was immediately beaten about the head and face for it. So good on you, my friend.
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please take no dissrespect on my comment before.
at first I thought that those were your comments. sometime my mind moves fater then my eyes.
I just saw an absolute no need to question this kind of statement to witch I was taught that there is no final answer. other then death:)
what I guess I'am trying to say is that to every answer there should be debate of how that came to be. and to see if another direction taken would result in a different finding.
prattle over:)
 
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fish cake said:
please take no dissrespect on my comment before.
at first I thought that those were your comments. sometime my mind moves fater then my eyes.
I just saw an absolute no need to question this kind of statement to witch I was taught that there is no final answer. other then death:)
what I guess I'am trying to say is that to every answer there should be debate of how that came to be. and to see if another direction taken would result in a different finding.
prattle over:)
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Debate, I firmly believe, is where a better answer is born. Show the data, talk about it, if conflicting data exists, show that too, so a healthy discussion can thrive! The Sharing of information is the basis of how we as humans progress through life. It is never an offense for someone to present a differing argument if it is backed with hard data.

Prattling, on the other hand, or blowing smoke, unless it's cannabis smoke, I only see as the uninformed showing their ignorance.

You presented a legitimate and founded argument. There's no harm done at all! To the contrary, in my personal opinion, you helped to further a more intelligent conversation on the subject.
 
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Heirloom said:
To whom ever the original poster is I say this. You forgot a key factor in your argument. Yes, we have one Sun, no it does not change per earths seasons. Atmospheric filtering? Minimal. However the light spectrum DOES change. It's called the Doppler Shift and is due to our elliptical orbit. Plant DO recognize this. Though it is not required to flower Cannabis, it may matter for other species. I have a cool new friend who knows all about plants, she'll probably know. I'm gonna ask her later.
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And here's the hard data, and report on the subject from AstroCapella

Redshifts, Blueshifts

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[TD="align: left"]Stars emit light. Using a prism or a diffraction grating, we can spread this light out into a spectrum. If we look at the spectrum of the Sun or any other star, we see not only the rainbow of colors from red, orange and yellow through to violet, but also a distinctive pattern of dark lines. At certain wavelengths, light will be ABSORBED by chemical elements like hydrogen, helium, calcium, and iron. These wavelengths are based on atomic physics and can be measured extremely accurately in a laboratory on Earth. If a star is moving towards us, the whole pattern of the spectrum gets shifted to shorter wavelengths, i.e. towards the blue end of the spectrum. This is a BLUESHIFT, and we can measure it very accurately by comparing the apparent wavelengths of the spectral lines with the known laboratory wavelengths. [/TD]
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If the star is receding, the pattern moves to longer, redder wavelengths, and this is a REDSHIFT. "Blueshifts come, and redshifts go, and that's pretty much everything you need to know."
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Here's the equation:

[SIZE=+1] v = c x (wavelength shift) / (wavelength) [/SIZE]
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where v is the relative velocity (speed) of the star, c is the velocity of light, and {wavelength} the known wavelength of the line as measured in the laboratory. We can use this equation until the relative speed becomes a significant fraction of the speed of light -- and then it's back to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, for a more detailed formula.
Extremely careful measurements of nearby stars can determine their relative speeds with a precision as small as 10 meters per second. Analyzing a large number of nearby stars shows that our Sun and its neighbors orbit the distant center of our Milky Way galaxy with a velocity of 250 km/sec. We're about 26,000 light years from the center of the Galaxy, and so it'll take 220 million years for us to complete an orbit. We can also tell that the stars nearer the center of the Galaxy rotate faster, so we're being 'passed' by those stars nearer the center, and 'overtaking' those stars that orbit further from the center of the Galaxy; this is the DIFFERENTIAL ROTATION of the Galaxy.
 
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YEAH,what he said:)
 
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jandre2k3 said:
Someone tell me they want to hear WHY this is done... please? Blue vs. Red makes a plant stretch or not... anyone?
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me please!!! i want to know! =D

😢 stil not able to rep you any more jandre =((
but hey you have a massive green bar as it is, we all know your a god amongst men =D
 
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im reppin all yall mofos! werd dawg!! i almost cried at all this positive good info my hungry brain is appeased and today i will not have to stick my fingers in a light socket and self flagellate for being a dummy! :adore: this kind of morning is what i crave to get my synapse going:Love::Love::Love::420:
 
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ffsake. ive repped you too many times as well apparaently BiD. think i may have to find a new reason to rep other people in order to spread the love...apparently just repping for genius doesnt work. maybe ill start repping noobs for pretty avatars or well structured questions or some other dumb ass reason just so i can add more rep to those that earn it =(
 
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Thank You Big Irish Dude:) that rep ment alot coming from you:thanks:
 
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jandre2k3 said:
to clarify: 2700K Fluoros have enough inherent "Blue" in their basic manufacture to support veg. Not all light sources, just those with a fluoro base. Almost as much as the "Cool White", it's just that with the addition of the "red" we don't really see the blue as much, but the instruments don't lie.

Partially due to the spikes from the mercury itself inside in all CFL, and T5 in the 460nm peak production is covered and the rest is in the coatings. The 2700k light also has an increase in the 640nm wavelength range, so it actually to me, seems a better all-round Fluoro to grow with, rather than the 6500k Cool White tubes.

Granted, though, the Cool White tubes, in general put out less light around the 640nm range, so this would seem to remove the reason for stretching toward a light source, since this "red-ish" light is the trigger to do so. However, if there is enough "blue-ish" light, there is no reason to stretch.

Someone tell me they want to hear WHY this is done... please? Blue vs. Red makes a plant stretch or not... anyone?
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I want to know I have learned yesterday than I have in a while keep teaching me about the lights....To be honest before I meet BID I thought all lights where the same
 
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