Autoflower x3: Acapulco, Blue Cheese, Nebula

OK, that's good. It's a sign that they want water, and more of it. I'm guessing as soon as you water more they will stay perkier longer.
Anytime after pruning, flushing, or topping, the plants may take a few days to recover depending on how strong they are. It might explain the over droopy I'm seeing since you had flushed recently.

Try and remember to bring your pH down as well. 6.0-6.2. Promix works best in that range for nutrient availabilty.
 
Still looking a bit droopy even with the watering yesterday...also noticed main cola leaves are turning color...could be nute burn? Either way maybe the flush yesterday will help this a bit
 

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Watered today after pot was dry and 2 of my plants are looking in rough shape.....first week of flower....6.0ph 600ppm....anyone help with this?
 

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@Emilya just pointed out the dif between over watering and under watering in another thread. I myself couldn't tell the difference LMAO. but if she hops in here i'm sure she'll get this sorted out.

She's the soil expert around here.
 
I've read so much about overwatering which is why i make sure pot is light but still moist an inch or an inch and a half dry before watering.
Hi everyone... after carefully going through this journal I was struck by the above quote more than anything else that has been said here. I too see constantly droopy plants and as you said, the plants never get excellent lift to show the praying mode that is indicative of full transpiration and healthy roots.
The quoted sentence is why I believe this is happening. All through veg, instead of building stronger roots in those big containers by teasing out the water, you were coddling them by watering way too often, never letting them actually dry out all the way to the bottom. You said it yourself, still moist, except for an inch and a half down. You say the pots are light, but I am saying that they should be way past light... they should be so very light that your human senses, as good as they are, should not be able to tell that there is ANY water weight in there at all. But no, since these are autos, you have started them in huge containers and in there it is very very hard to use the lift method to determine if there is still water in there, and as a result you have consistently watered way too often and probably have had the lower roots covered in stale water throughout most of veg. This is not the proper way to water a weed, no matter if it is a regular or an auto. A coddled weed never will grow robust roots and a weed without a wet/dry cycle will never thrive.
So now you are in bloom and instead of having a robust root ball with a clear wet/dry cycle, you still have the same situation you had in veg... a good portion of your lower roots are still shut down, unable to provide the uptake necessary to lift up all of the leaves. Even though the normal strategy in bloom is to try to start pushing more water at the plants, you need to fix this problem fast because frankly, your plants are not happy. You need to not be afraid to let that soil dry out... watch your plant, but it is my belief that as soon as you finally let the water table fall down into the last inch of that container, drawing oxygen way down deep to those bottom feeder roots, these plants will begin to perk back up. It typically will take 2 or 3 complete wet/dry cycles to get the plant back up to full speed.

Now to make that happen in those huge containers, especially early on with small plants, it might take a week to use up all the water that the soil can hold. With you coming in every 3 or 4 days watering to runoff, it will never dry out. A better strategy would be to come in every 3 or 4 days to water with a smaller amount of water, intending only to water the top set of spreader roots, but not add to the water table down below. I get nervous if I let my top roots dry out for more than 3 or 4 days too, and I call this two stage watering. I will water a couple of times if necessary with about a third of the amount that causes runoff, just to keep the plants metabolism high and those upper roots active, while waiting for the soil to dry out all the way down into the bottom inch of the container. Eventually the bottom will dry out and then a proper full watering of the container to runoff can be done, repeating the process over and over until the top and the bottom sync up and two stage watering can go away.

I hope this helps. Watering incorrectly is the single most common mistake made in the pot world, and getting into messes like this is why I do not endorse the idea of putting autos in the final container right at the start, because without a good understanding of how to properly water this weed, it is so easy for new gardeners to get in exactly the mess you find yourself in today. Soon you will get the knack for this and figure out what it is these plants need from you and you will be able to manage the large containers... but how to do it correctly is not exactly easy to figure out at first.
 
Hi everyone... after carefully going through this journal I was struck by the above quote more than anything else that has been said here. I too see constantly droopy plants and as you said, the plants never get excellent lift to show the praying mode that is indicative of full transpiration and healthy roots.
The quoted sentence is why I believe this is happening. All through veg, instead of building stronger roots in those big containers by teasing out the water, you were coddling them by watering way too often, never letting them actually dry out all the way to the bottom. You said it yourself, still moist, except for an inch and a half down. You say the pots are light, but I am saying that they should be way past light... they should be so very light that your human senses, as good as they are, should not be able to tell that there is ANY water weight in there at all. But no, since these are autos, you have started them in huge containers and in there it is very very hard to use the lift method to determine if there is still water in there, and as a result you have consistently watered way too often and probably have had the lower roots covered in stale water throughout most of veg. This is not the proper way to water a weed, no matter if it is a regular or an auto. A coddled weed never will grow robust roots and a weed without a wet/dry cycle will never thrive.
So now you are in bloom and instead of having a robust root ball with a clear wet/dry cycle, you still have the same situation you had in veg... a good portion of your lower roots are still shut down, unable to provide the uptake necessary to lift up all of the leaves. Even though the normal strategy in bloom is to try to start pushing more water at the plants, you need to fix this problem fast because frankly, your plants are not happy. You need to not be afraid to let that soil dry out... watch your plant, but it is my belief that as soon as you finally let the water table fall down into the last inch of that container, drawing oxygen way down deep to those bottom feeder roots, these plants will begin to perk back up. It typically will take 2 or 3 complete wet/dry cycles to get the plant back up to full speed.

Now to make that happen in those huge containers, especially early on with small plants, it might take a week to use up all the water that the soil can hold. With you coming in every 3 or 4 days watering to runoff, it will never dry out. A better strategy would be to come in every 3 or 4 days to water with a smaller amount of water, intending only to water the top set of spreader roots, but not add to the water table down below. I get nervous if I let my top roots dry out for more than 3 or 4 days too, and I call this two stage watering. I will water a couple of times if necessary with about a third of the amount that causes runoff, just to keep the plants metabolism high and those upper roots active, while waiting for the soil to dry out all the way down into the bottom inch of the container. Eventually the bottom will dry out and then a proper full watering of the container to runoff can be done, repeating the process over and over until the top and the bottom sync up and two stage watering can go away.

I hope this helps. Watering incorrectly is the single most common mistake made in the pot world, and getting into messes like this is why I do not endorse the idea of putting autos in the final container right at the start, because without a good understanding of how to properly water this weed, it is so easy for new gardeners to get in exactly the mess you find yourself in today. Soon you will get the knack for this and figure out what it is these plants need from you and you will be able to manage the large containers... but how to do it correctly is not exactly easy to figure out at first.

I have 4 mother plants in soil. i like to grow in coco, but i don't want to water the mothers so much. I water them about once a week. when i do the lift test i almost toss the first one to the ceiling it's so light lol.

I've had to chop huge pieces of these plants off a few times now to keep them under control. these are the first plants i've ever had in soil and listening to your advise has made it super easy to work with.

@780grow listen to Emi, she's always bang on.
 
Thanks all for the help! What a great community! I will take everything said into consideration. Plants looking less droopy today....however seems like Acapulco is experiencing leaf discoloration. Could this be cal msg deficiency?
 

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Thanks all for the help! What a great community! I will take everything said into consideration. Plants looking less droopy today....however seems like Acapulco is experiencing leaf discoloration. Could this be cal msg deficiency?

if it's only on the lower leaves i wouldn't worry just yet. I think the main focus right now should be just waiting until the pots are light as a feather so the roots have a chance to do what they need to do. once you have your watering schedule down it might correct itself. there's nothing you can do or add until next feed anyway.

one thing growing has done for me is teach me to wait for things to happen. good life lesson for me in general lol.
 
Thanks all for the help! What a great community! I will take everything said into consideration. Plants looking less droopy today....however seems like Acapulco is experiencing leaf discoloration. Could this be cal msg deficiency?
I agree with the last advice to just wait a bit to see what corrects itself, and then go on from there. I suspect that the biggest problem is the roots, and that is presenting as deficiencies all over the spectrum, but time will tell. A maintenance dosage of calmag+ isnt going to hurt anything, just in case that problem is in there too.
 
Hey guys....is there still hope for these 2 plants to salvage? Week 3 of flower and they look like they have suffered some serious root rot
 

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its looking bad... root rot is hard to recover from, especially at the beginning of bloom. If you are still regularly watering and not using the lift method, then yes, its probably a lost cause at this point. It's been a while since we last talked... how has the watering been going? Did you ever let them dry out all the way? The lack of lift on all the leaves says no.
 
Yeah I made sure they were light and gave them a couple days of more drying after that...not sure where the root rot happened. Is there even a point to continue watering them or just trash them?
also, I hear this all the time so I have to ask...
A typical overwaterer's idea of "light" and mine, are oftentimes two different things. By light, I mean no water weight... none.... as far as your human senses can determine, just as light as a similar sized container filled with dry soil. Light, and NO water weight oftentimes are quite a ways away from each other.
I want to make sure you have this concept down so that next time you don't get in this trouble or give up on soil completely thinking it is too hard.
 
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