The Crown Royale is a very high!
Ase's Multi-Strain Quadlining In Coco
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So far it's the most consistent strain I have gotten from Crop King seeds. My girlfriend is growing two of them in soil and they all look like my first one did. The smoke caught me off guard. I haven't laughed so hard in years. I was high like a first timer.
I can’t wait to run it again, I had some heat issues with the first run.
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Day 39 Veg Tent A
No update for the girls in flower but I did want to show the bounce back from the my defoliation on the veg girls 2 days ago. I think they will be perfect for a flip on Thursday night. If not I'll let them go until Monday instead.
Super Iced Grapefruit 2 days ago all trained up and trimmed up.
Today. Look at all the fresh green growth.
The whole tent, and yes my drain table is a mess! My big meeting was today and it went well so I will be back on my regular schedule now that it is done. Likely big cleaning day tomorrow. Lots of rest today as I have been pulling some insane hours for work. White Rhino back left, Purple Envy front left, Super Iced Grapefruit front right and Chemdawg back right.
No update for the girls in flower but I did want to show the bounce back from the my defoliation on the veg girls 2 days ago. I think they will be perfect for a flip on Thursday night. If not I'll let them go until Monday instead.
Super Iced Grapefruit 2 days ago all trained up and trimmed up.
Today. Look at all the fresh green growth.
The whole tent, and yes my drain table is a mess! My big meeting was today and it went well so I will be back on my regular schedule now that it is done. Likely big cleaning day tomorrow. Lots of rest today as I have been pulling some insane hours for work. White Rhino back left, Purple Envy front left, Super Iced Grapefruit front right and Chemdawg back right.
Get some rest, the girlies will wait.
DobeWan
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A little birdy who used to post in here is in my city and has Crown Royale as one of his go-tos. I’ll have to hit him up for a swap some time.
It’s interesting that you’re enjoying the tri-line. My next set in flower might have some interesting differences, as I’ve once again embraced some experimentation. I’m going to aim for 8 colas from the Chemdawg (can’t just copy yours!) and might even just stick with 4 for Pink Kush.
It’s interesting that you’re enjoying the tri-line. My next set in flower might have some interesting differences, as I’ve once again embraced some experimentation. I’m going to aim for 8 colas from the Chemdawg (can’t just copy yours!) and might even just stick with 4 for Pink Kush.
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I'd rather it be a quadline but it is fun to see something different. Believe me when I say it all starts to look very similar after you get a lot of grows under your belt so I welcome a little difference. I don't do a lot of experiments anymore so maybe I need to get back to doing some different stuff. I've thought about doing 4 colas but I am super nervous the plant will stretch way too tall.
Next experiment for me will likely be one plant, for an entire tent, grown in a 7 gallon pot. It will likely be a clone of the Chemdawg I am thinking. I still want to do a redemption grow for some of the plants that were all sub-par throughout my grows or had issues. That makes me a little nervous as well. If it's genetics that was the problem I'll end up with 4 small plants and I don't want that but I do want to retry them. Lastly I have some ATF regs that I need to pop and pick out the best ones that are females. After those I think it will be back to popping new seeds every grow with maybe a clone or two in there to keep certain strains around that I no longer have seeds for. Girlfriend will be doing the CBD strains next run. Lots to look forward to this year.
DobeWan
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I don’t have much of a choice with the Pink Kush given her late start (she was only topped a couple of nights ago), and I figure her being a Kush might keep her stockier. But if it ends up stretchy I’ll think back to this comment and wish I’d paid heed!
I think I’d be less apt to experiment if I was getting relentless growth under LEDs but my slower growth under the T5s has me trying things out. And I’m definitely keen to see if I can get bigger colas by focusing the energy to less of them.
I’d love to do one plant in a big pot too. I don’t have enough experience yet to have 4 plants for a redemption grow, but I’m definitely going to pop LA Confidential again soon and nail it. Perhaps in my first fall grow.
Bilbobudkin420
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You have my interest. I may have a tinker with this. Stems looking like pipes lolDay 19 Veg Tent A - Day 25 Flower Tent B - The Quadline Begins!
I have two main tents in my grows. I call them Tent A and Tent B and the plants stay in those tents for the full flower cycle. My titles reflect the days that those tents are at. I do not keep a total day count but I do list way day they are in veg and then start the counting over when flipped. My other journal will shut down this weekend and this journal will inherit some plants I have that are almost done with 4 weeks in flower. I'm not going to talk a ton about them as they are already mature. This journal will focus mainly on from start to finish how I do a grow now. With that in mind, these ones in flower should give a good picture of what they will look like in the end. People can see what I am doing and kind of the result down the road at the same time.
Starting off I kind of jumped into this journal with plants that were not entirely from the beginning. If you would like to see my germination method, it hasn't changed and is in my other journals. Pretty simple as it's the plastic baggie and paper towel method. Quickly soak a paper towel in very low nutrient (200ppm) 1-1-1 NPK solution where most of the nitrogen should come from the cal-mag. then I wring out that paper towel until it is just moist and not wet and put the seeds in it. Put that in a plastic bag and wrap in a kitchen towel. Then put either on a DVR or computer (something kinda warm) and in about a day and a half they will be ready to planted. I start in little pots and pretreat and wash the coco with a 1-1-1 NPK solution of about 350 ppm. Plant the seed with the root facing down about 1/2" down and into a veg tent and watch it grow! You should see roots coming out the bottom and usually about 13-14 days they are ready to get put into their 3 gallon final homes. Now we are all caught up and the last update was the transplant.
They had all recovered pretty nicely from the transplant so it was time to start the quadline. The first step into doing a quadline is to pick two nodes to keep and train as the 4 main branches. I top at the 4th node and remove the 1st and 2nd nodes and keep the 3rd. That makes the 2 branches that come out of node 3 and the 2 branches that come out of node 4 as my 4 quadlined branches. These 4 branches support the whole plant and grow mostly horizontal during veg. This allows other branches to grow out of these and become the main colas of the plant. If kept evenly with each other by adjust the training ties, the plant will stay relatively even with itself the whole way. Do this with 4 plants and you get a screenless scrog or quadline.
The line is where I top at. I had already taken off nodes 1 and 2 and had forgotten to take a picture but that is where nodes 1 and 2 were. The fan leaves are the ones with one leaf and 3 leaves respectively. The little cotyledons don't count as a node. I will top them in the next two days but I want them to recover from this defoliation a bit.
The end results of this method. This is on my Blackjack plant 25 days into flower.
I am a firm believer of guiding energy around the plant and not wasting it. I don't want things to grow that I know I am going to cut off. I don't want the plant to waste energy if it doesn't have to. That energy could be used to get other branches sturdier. My three most important factors in a good grow are:
Lights
Environment
Grower Experience/Training
You can't grow good plants with crappy lights. I'm not saying I have the best lights but they work very well. They aren't $50 lights and they aren't cfls. If you want to grow good stuff with a good yield then don't skimp here. The environment and keeping the temperatures in check is 2nd most important thing to me. I used to preach a lot about humidity but it really is more about temperatures and airflow. The quadline helps space the plant out evenly so you can get good airflow in the long run, even when the buds are fat. It gives each cola it's own space and keeps them all at the same height. Grower Experience so you can learn to read a plant and what it needs. Each nutrient does something for plant and knowing when a plant is begging for more or needing to back off is important. You'll recognize when certain things happen every grow and be able to see positive and negative differences when experimenting. It's also huge for when things go awry and you need to make the right decision and fix things. Things happen fast in coco for the good and the bad sometimes. Training is also a form of grower experience as you need to know when the appropriate time is to do things. If the plants are healthy all the time then you can train them and defoliate them as much as you like and they always bounce back.
Defoliation is key with my methods as I want the plant to get as much light penetration as possible. It also helps keeps the leaves from sitting on each other and building up moisture. It also opens up airflow to strengthen the plants. Amazing how all 3 of my top factors bleed into each other right? One always is effecting the other and the synergy is what creates amazing plants. The defoliation by taking nodes 1 and 2 of the youngest girls begins getting them used to getting nicked up here and there.
The girls that are 25 days into flower got a defoliation as well. This tent is Tent B and they have all been quadlined. All 4 are even mostly the same height at about 2.5 ft from coco to canopy. The BlackJack has a few taller colas than that but for the most part I would like every grow to look like this one.
Before defoliation.
After defoliation.
Sideshot.
Tutankhamon - Really better than I thought it would in the end.
Anubis - A little different but growing well.
BlackJack - Biggest.
Critical Cheese - Stacking incredibly.
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Welcome to my journal Bilbo!
There are quite a few people that reply to this thread that are tinkering with the quadline as well so you can go to any of their journals and see the results (Or any of my previous journals, thats where the quadline magic started). Those stems act as a good structure to keep the plant sturdy as I hardly ever have to tie colas up to hold them in place when they get heavy. Also those stems shoot nutrients to the colas as a "nutrient highway" to the colas. I've yet too hear too many things that people don't like about the quadline. It's been pretty positive feedback so far.
Feel free to ask any questions. No question is a bad one. If I can help, I'll be glad to!
Bilbobudkin420
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Sweet. To be fair I do a couple of things to get my stems nice and thick. Ill take a pic of my mama mias stem shes a beauty. Shes about 9in tall and shes filled out my 5gal smart pot. I use a really strong sprayer as soon as their first spiked leaves are nice and full (really knocks them about could be risky but it really works) within a week or 2 they just stand there and take the spray like its nothing. Made early lsting after topping a bit harder, i snapped a branch and split another but she didnt give a fook just carried on bushing. Even the split branch was business as usual. But ive got 3 babys that are just about the right age to start doing it. I topped them 2 days ago so ill just strip what needs stripping and go from there.
Bilbobudkin420
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Ok, ok im with you. Ill keep you posted. Ill be keeping an eye on your babies to for notes.Day 25 Veg Tent A - Day 31 Flower Tent B
A little quick update of the plants. The Veg girls began the first real training today and they all got it. While the 2 top branches are still limber I like to pin them down and let the bottom two branches grow up to the same height as them. Once they get to that height I then start pinning them down as well so they all stay even.
Before picture. I also took off the big fan leaves. I want everything to focus on the new growth in just the 4 main quadlined branches. It's time to pump all the energy through them. As a sidenote, I like to tape a piece of old fashioned yellow sticky paper to a small bucket and catch gnats and any bugs. It really keeps things in check the whole grow bug-wise. I keep it at the base of the plants as that is where the bugs like to jump around at and I change it once a grow. Highly recommend it and forget anything fancy, the old fashioned ones are just plain the best.
After. Because of fabric pots, you have to be a little bit more creative when training. I really like rubber tomato ties and metal stakes. I stick the tomato tie around the stake and push it into the coco. Then I hook the free end of the tomato tie to the branch and slowly push the stake further down into the coco to pull the branch. SLOWLY AND GENTLY. You can kind of pre bend the branches too so you don't do it all at once and snap it.
The whole family. The White Rhino in the bottom left corner is clearly littler than the rest but it will be the most Indica. I won't do as much training with it as I will the others unless it really picks up more. I anticipate it being just a bit smaller though overall.
The Flower tent is doing swell! My recent harvest has the whole area smelling like fresh bud so I am anxious to get those jarred up in the next few days so I can get a whiff of these ones. They are stacking really nicely and resin is forming all over.
Bilbobudkin420
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Hey Ase. Didnt want to bomb your feed with pics but I think Ive adequately performed my first quadline strip and prep 
Bilbobudkin420
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Oh yer ive taken a pic of my mama mia stem for ya aswell
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Hey Ase. Didnt want to bomb your feed with pics but I think Ive adequately performed my first quadline strip and prep
I subscribed to your journal the other day but just haven’t had time to go through it. I’ll be over to check it out today or tomorrow and I’m sure you have the pics up there right? I like to follow people that use my ways so if you are trying a quadline then I’ll be there!
Bilbobudkin420
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Of course theres pics
. How is anybody supposed to appreciate what Im appreciating right now lol. Yer im commited now bro shes stripped and ready. Once those shoots come up enough im taking off the last fan leaves and pinning her down.- Thread starter
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Day 44 Veg Tent A - Day 50 Flower Tent B
I just got back tonight from a weekend trip and needed to do a defoliation on the veg girls before I flipped them. Tonight was going to be the flip so I needed to get it done. They are the perfect size and I'll let the pictures do most of the talking for this update. Also the Flower girls just keep going as normal. I feel like I haven't touched them in weeks. I may have to support a few colas that are getting hit by the wind more so than others so maybe I'll have a more exciting update on them soon.
Veg girls before.
Veg girls after. Looking a little sad due to the defoliation but they should really look good tomorrow.
Super Iced Grapefruit before.
Super Iced Grapefruit after.
White Rhino. Ended up catching up really nicely over the last few days. Glad I didn't flip them before my trip like I thought I was going to. Patience paid off with her bigtime.
Chemdawg looking great.
Purple Envy ended up nicely shaped for 3 branches.
BlackJack on the left and Tutankhamon on the right. Tutankhamon will be going longer than the others and I think is going to really end up yielding nicely. I think it's the first picture I've taken from this side so you get to see her in her full glory.
Anubis on the left and BlackJack on the right.
Critical Cheese on the left and Anubis on the right.
I just got back tonight from a weekend trip and needed to do a defoliation on the veg girls before I flipped them. Tonight was going to be the flip so I needed to get it done. They are the perfect size and I'll let the pictures do most of the talking for this update. Also the Flower girls just keep going as normal. I feel like I haven't touched them in weeks. I may have to support a few colas that are getting hit by the wind more so than others so maybe I'll have a more exciting update on them soon.
Veg girls before.
Super Iced Grapefruit before.
White Rhino. Ended up catching up really nicely over the last few days. Glad I didn't flip them before my trip like I thought I was going to. Patience paid off with her bigtime.
BlackJack on the left and Tutankhamon on the right. Tutankhamon will be going longer than the others and I think is going to really end up yielding nicely. I think it's the first picture I've taken from this side so you get to see her in her full glory.
Derbybud
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Good looking garden as always Ase. Looks to have it dialed in perfectly.
Bilbobudkin420
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Its always madness seeing how they recover 24h after a defol. Cant wait to see how mama has taken it.Day 44 Veg Tent A - Day 50 Flower Tent B
I just got back tonight from a weekend trip and needed to do a defoliation on the veg girls before I flipped them. Tonight was going to be the flip so I needed to get it done. They are the perfect size and I'll let the pictures do most of the talking for this update. Also the Flower girls just keep going as normal. I feel like I haven't touched them in weeks. I may have to support a few colas that are getting hit by the wind more so than others so maybe I'll have a more exciting update on them soon.
Veg girls before.
Veg girls after. Looking a little sad due to the defoliation but they should really look good tomorrow.
Super Iced Grapefruit before.
Super Iced Grapefruit after.
White Rhino. Ended up catching up really nicely over the last few days. Glad I didn't flip them before my trip like I thought I was going to. Patience paid off with her bigtime.
Chemdawg looking great.
Purple Envy ended up nicely shaped for 3 branches.
BlackJack on the left and Tutankhamon on the right. Tutankhamon will be going longer than the others and I think is going to really end up yielding nicely. I think it's the first picture I've taken from this side so you get to see her in her full glory.
Anubis on the left and BlackJack on the right.
Critical Cheese on the left and Anubis on the right.