Antics Perpetual Learning Experience

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Sweetsue said:
That would be so freakin' cool Antics! Go for it. You should be able to hold her off that long, if she's close. We'll all have to celebrate with our own stashes while you harvest. A true 420 celebration. :laughtwo::green_heart:
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And I'll be celebrating right along with a bit of my own stash, I still have plenty from my previous harvest to get me through to at least June or July :)

Sweetsue said:
I don't think I ever told you how much your encouragement when I started my journal meant to me. When Dale had to have open heart I almost closed the journal. You deserve some of the credit for what that journal became. All the way through it I kept pushing myself to keep it interesting and worthy of your faith in me.

Thank you for helping me to be who I was meant to be. :green_heart:
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That wasn't me, you did that. You can't encourage someone to do something they truly don't want to do, are afraid to do, or aren't ready to do. Try encouraging me to stand on some high area, it won't happen with my fear of heights lol.

The ability, and desire was always inside you, I think that just being in a positive environment here at 420 Magazine just helped you realize it, and then you took control and made it happen.

You should be patting yourself on the back for being so strong, to get through some of life's toughest times, and still able to continue with a new hobby of growing for you and Dale.

I applaud your perserverance!
 
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dudee im gonna be growing strawberry blue to soon! :D once my seeds come in
 
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Day 34

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Text updates will resume in the near future.
 
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UltraDan said:
I am late to the party I see. I guess I have some reading to do tonight. LOL

Your girls look awesome brother :thumb:
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I can save you some time. And this is just a single plant grow now. The plant in the top left of some pictures is rosemary I brought inside during the colder months.

Pages 1-23 were the Big Bang grow. I ran into undiagnosed PH troubles, which later lead to BB dying on me, I started the Strawberry Blue here on this page: Antics Perpetual Learning Experience
That post also outlines my preferred method of germination as I've had the best luck with it so far.

From page 24 onward covers the rest of the BB grow before it died, the SB grow, transplanting from soil into coco, SB running into the same problem for a month or so, finally figuring out my PH meter was faulty, replaced the meter, and then leads to where the grow is today.
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Here's my 1 tiny plant with my new LED panel @ Day 36 Flower

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And a picture of one of the outer 4 colas to show how the buds are developing:
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Now since I'm using an LED, I knew the penetration of LEDs wasn't as good as with HIDs, so instead of having all sorts of useless height on my plants, I chose to train them similar to my previous CFL grow, which was shorter, and wider.

Now I ended up removing the LST from Cali Jack (from my previous grow) a little too early, which contributed to a 'V' shape, but it seemed to work great with the CFLs, as I pulled over 2 ounces from her.

Which you can see an example of Cali Jack's shape here, shortly before harvest:
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Anyways, since I had a little more penetration with the LED panel than the CFLs, I kept the LST on a lot longer this grow, which contributed to a pretty bushy rectangular shape. It's been working out pretty well, but of course there are a few bud sites not getting as much light as others, but I'm going to grow this out to see how things work and make adjustments on training for all of my grows to follow.

Now onto comparisons of my LED vs. the CFLs

Today marks Day 36 of Flower for SB. I looked back at my CFL grow, and was compared my LED growth with the following posts:

Day 32 of Flower: Antics Power Flower - Cali Jack FIM Grow
Day 35 of Flower: Antics Power Flower - Cali Jack FIM Grow
Day 39 of Flower: Antics Power Flower - Cali Jack FIM Grow
Day 44 of Flower: Antics Power Flower - Cali Jack FIM Grow

When compared, the bud growth seems about the same, maybe a little more using the LED. But I'm comparing growth of different strains, so the small differences could be strain dependent as well. It also looks like the LED grow is producing more trichomes. But again, this could be a characteristic of the strain, or a result of the light. Either way, I'm not complaining.

As for my 1 tiny plant, at last measurement we're looking at 18" / 45.75cm from coco to the highest bud site.
Canopy spread was measured at 26"x32" / 66x81cm, with the canopy taking up approximately 5.5 square feet, or .51 square meters.

This size works perfect for my light, as the coverage @24" / 61cm works out to 5.75 square feet / .53 square meters, and my light is much closer, sitting @ 14" / 35.5cm
 
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While I'm here still, I wanted to share a small detail about my grow that I haven't discussed much.

I'm using approximately 6 gallon pots, just a plain container bought from a big box store, since I liked the attached drain tray.

Well, as time goes on I learned the attached trays aren't the best, and was always looking for ways to drain the runoff, I installed a screw at first, but now have drilled a couple holes halfway up the tray, and this helps drain water, but was sloppy. I ran a pipe cleaner through the holes, having it hang out from the tray, and that worked to direct my water flow.

It's a simple way to fix the problem, but it works.

So anyways, onto my 'experiment'. As most of you know, this is a coco grow, with something like 4:1 coco:perlite.

About 3-4 weeks ago I ran into my first root growing into the tray, and was spilling out of the tray when draining runoff. After a little thought, I wondered what would happen if I kept those roots submerged with a little runoff left in the tray (which is why I drilled those drainage holes halfway up the height of the tray)

And after 3-4 weeks of this, I haven't seen any serious negatives so far on the plant. I have a few leaves that show an old calcium deficiency, and every so often a leaf seems to get 'pale', like the petiole turns almost white (at least appears white under the LED), and the leaf has like a pale greenish-yellow color, but other than that, I see nothing bad going on.

I'm not supplying supplemental O2 to the tray, and the water is just room temperature only, with no added cooling (or warming for that matter).
PH of the runoff varies from 5.8-6.8, but most commonly falls around 6.2-6.4, so those roots are sitting in slightly higher PH than what I'm feeding.

I just figured, I had some good roots there, let them have some water and nutes. As of today, they're thriving, bright white color, average sized roots, and some with tons of root hairs.

I wouldn't have done this normally, but I assumed my roots in the coco could handle the O2 absorption, and the 5.8 nute intake, and the roots in the saucer could just grab some extra water or nutes when needed.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Any potential negatives? Positives?
 
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Antics said:
While I'm here still, I wanted to share a small detail about my grow that I haven't discussed much.

I'm using approximately 6 gallon pots, just a plain container bought from a big box store, since I liked the attached drain tray.

Well, as time goes on I learned the attached trays aren't the best, and was always looking for ways to drain the runoff, I installed a screw at first, but now have drilled a couple holes halfway up the tray, and this helps drain water, but was sloppy. I ran a pipe cleaner through the holes, having it hang out from the tray, and that worked to direct my water flow.

It's a simple way to fix the problem, but it works.

So anyways, onto my 'experiment'. As most of you know, this is a coco grow, with something like 4:1 coco:perlite.

About 3-4 weeks ago I ran into my first root growing into the tray, and was spilling out of the tray when draining runoff. After a little thought, I wondered what would happen if I kept those roots submerged with a little runoff left in the tray (which is why I drilled those drainage holes halfway up the height of the tray)

And after 3-4 weeks of this, I haven't seen any serious negatives so far on the plant. I have a few leaves that show an old calcium deficiency, and every so often a leaf seems to get 'pale', like the petiole turns almost white (at least appears white under the LED), and the leaf has like a pale greenish-yellow color, but other than that, I see nothing bad going on.

I'm not supplying supplemental O2 to the tray, and the water is just room temperature only, with no added cooling (or warming for that matter).
PH of the runoff varies from 5.8-6.8, but most commonly falls around 6.2-6.4, so those roots are sitting in slightly higher PH than what I'm feeding.

I just figured, I had some good roots there, let them have some water and nutes. As of today, they're thriving, bright white color, average sized roots, and some with tons of root hairs.

I wouldn't have done this normally, but I assumed my roots in the coco could handle the O2 absorption, and the 5.8 nute intake, and the roots in the saucer could just grab some extra water or nutes when needed.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Any potential negatives? Positives?
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for my pots I drilled a hole in the bottom tray and attached a small air hose and sealed it in the tray and run that to wherever I want the runoff to go.i couldn't move the pots while I had the screen on them so I had to do something and it works great.
 
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I found that plants appreciated being able to water themselves.
 
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As long as the roots hanging out stay white I don't see a problem with that.
 
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Great journal, happy to check in! Amazing what you're doing with both training and your environment, top notch bro!
 
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Subnoise said:
Sounds like a small hempy res to me nothing wrong with that at all. I have recently swapped from dtw to hempy in my coco and really like the plants reactions.
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With a hempy res, do you provide O2 and temperature control the res? And how often do you change out the res? The world of hydro is completely new to me, so I'll probably have a billion questions lol

The water in the tray is changed out 2x a day here, and it's quite small, maybe 20-40 ounces / .5-1 mL up to the point where I drilled the holes. I just wanted to try to use all of her growth to my advantage since I lost some time when she had the PH issues.
Glad to hear I didn't make a serious mistake! Thanks man!

sillymoose1 said:
Nice! Glad things are going good!
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So far so good! But I'm still trying to beat my goal of 3 ounces on this one plant, since my previous yield was a little over 3 ounces on 2 plants in soil with CFLs. So we'll see if I can beat my record in about 1-2 months! (Although I have my fingers crossed to hit 4 ounces or better) Thanks for sharing the journey with me!

budmaster828 said:
for my pots I drilled a hole in the bottom tray and attached a small air hose and sealed it in the tray and run that to wherever I want the runoff to go.i couldn't move the pots while I had the screen on them so I had to do something and it works great.
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Great minds think alike man.. that was my first plan, but this was easier for me, at least for now. I'm hoping to upgrade the grow a bit in the future, hopefully this summer, which leads down to what Sue said in her comment below :)

Sweetsue said:
I found that plants appreciated being able to water themselves.
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I agree, I've also found that the grower (me) greatly dislikes having to water twice a day lol. I definitely miss that about soil, watering once and I'm good for about a week. I have an extra water pump from one of my ponds in my yard, and I might actually have another smaller pump floating around somewhere, I've been thinking about setting up an automated watering system, but still continuing my DTW method. I'd definitely need to get my hands on a digital timer so I can play around with the watering times, my mechanical timer now only allows 30 minute increments, and there's no way I want to water for 30 minutes straight lol.

But I'm always watching what folks do here so I can find things to apply to my own grow to make it better, and easier.

Oh, and I asked you about your soil because when I started growing, I was all like "Hey I'm doing an organic grow!" Yeah.. I didn't realize I was using synthetic/chemical nutes, or even what they were lol. But that's one of my goals, is to basically do what you're doing. I'd love to go organic, but at the same time, I enjoy the results hydro (coco) is giving me. So I'm stuck in the middle of how I want to grow, and I still need to try hempy, aero, hydro, DWC,, etc.. I want to see which one I like most. But horticulture is definitely cool, and because of Cannabis, I've learned a lot to better care for my various landscaping plants at home in the garden.

SBG said:
As long as the roots hanging out stay white I don't see a problem with that.
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So far it's been a month now since I saw the first root: Antics Perpetual Learning Experience
I looked inside yesterday, and all the roots that are visible are still white and look very healthy, I did these checks on the roots every few days and they looked good, so I just continued with keeping some water/nutes in the little baby reservoir. Unfortunately I can't get my damn camera close enough to take a picture :( So after the grow I'll empty the coco and see if I can detach the bottom tray to get a picture of the root growth in the tray, plus I'm really curious to see it as well, since I can only see the very outer edge of the tray.

petergreen said:
Great journal, happy to check in! Amazing what you're doing with both training and your environment, top notch bro!
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Thanks brother, it's definitely not the best grow here, but I'm proud of my progress. I figure if I can make each grow better than my previous one, I'm doing good. But I still have to hit the magic number of 3 ounces or more to beat my goal, and now I'm in the stage where the buds start packing on weight, so it's difficult to say where I'm going to end up. I'd like to think the size of the plant can easily support somewhere between 2-5 ounces, but where we end up is going to come down to if the methods I've chosen are successful or not.
I kept it real basic this grow, LST, FIM (Which seems to have ended up as a topping), and minimal defoliation just to clear bud sites. MY biggest concern is the lack of a completely level canopy, which I had on the last grow. I DO have 4 nicely size outer colas with thicker branches than before, and a main stem with a bunch of smaller branches that may end up to be colas, but who knows. Time will tell!

I feel like I'm on a version of the old game show "Press your luck"......

Big colas Big colas, no deficiencies, HARVEST!
(Big money Big money, No whammies, STOP!)
Anyone remember it? :)

sillymoose1 said:
Must be your old friend under a new account antics.


Everyone just report the post! This is unacceptable behavior
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Yeah, unfortunately it seems that's the case. We can just report any posts that the moderators miss, but it seems they've got it under control currently. :thumb:

Thanks for stopping in brother!
 
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It always tickles me to have one of you apologize for a long post. My long posts have been edited down.:laughtwo::green_heart:

I did pretty well, with 4.5 oz from two plants in LOS. Maybe if I can add an LED and increase that to over 3 oz each I might be able to tempt you to try again Antics. :winkyface:
 
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I try to keep it short, I swear! But then as I'm typing other things come to mind that I want to mention, and by the time I'm done I've written a book lol

You did exceedingly well lol. Pretty well, that's funny. My 2 autos under CFLs gave me about 1/2 ounce lol. I also didn't do much for training either. I tried some LST, but wasn't aggressive enough for it to be effective.

I'll always be tempted to try again. I'm really curious to see how plants do in every combination of a grow. Like for example, Soil with CFLs vs Soil with LED vs. Soil with HID. (Now add all the other grows, coco, hydro, peat, hempy, dwc, etc... with the different lighting systems and other combinations)
I'm actually wondering if different combinations will have different effects on the plants, with each one producing a slight variation in the finished product, which makes one plant better suited to use for specific ailments than another.

Like for example maybe a plant grown in DWC using CFLs would end up with the correct Cannabinoid combination that will more effectively treat, or cure a specific ailment, like migraines for example.

Cannabis is just in its infancy right now, and we're about 100 years behind on research, so I think we have a lot to learn about unlocking its fullest potential!
 
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I think this forum is uniquely qualified to do that testing Antics. So many inspired growers. If we could come up with a way to gather the data we could run a huge research project, eh?
 
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