Antics Perpetual Learning Experience
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Update.
Storm is over, flooding begins. I was outside snowblowing the rest of it in a tshirt. It was like 65+ degrees today. Unbelievable.
Anyways.. The seedling so far is doing great. No burned or damaged leaves, and no tacoing/canoeing/curling of the leaves.
The plant however, still shows signs of new leaves curling, growth is slow, and now the soil is taking longer to dry, so I definitely have some problems.
So after giving this some thought, I finally decided to make the move to coco. I just ordered a 5kg bail of GH Coco, a new bag of perlite, and a mycorrhizae blend, made of 13 endomycorrhizae, ectomycorrhizae and Trico derma fungal species
I expect these items to arrive by the end of this week, or early next week, and will transplant from soil into coco at that point.
EDIT: I'll try to get some pictures tomorrow to add to the journal to show what's going on with both plants at the present time.
Update.
Storm is over, flooding begins. I was outside snowblowing the rest of it in a tshirt. It was like 65+ degrees today. Unbelievable.
Anyways.. The seedling so far is doing great. No burned or damaged leaves, and no tacoing/canoeing/curling of the leaves.
The plant however, still shows signs of new leaves curling, growth is slow, and now the soil is taking longer to dry, so I definitely have some problems.
So after giving this some thought, I finally decided to make the move to coco. I just ordered a 5kg bail of GH Coco, a new bag of perlite, and a mycorrhizae blend, made of 13 endomycorrhizae, ectomycorrhizae and Trico derma fungal species
I expect these items to arrive by the end of this week, or early next week, and will transplant from soil into coco at that point.
EDIT: I'll try to get some pictures tomorrow to add to the journal to show what's going on with both plants at the present time.
jinn
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YAY! another one joins the dark side of coco!
some tips: for the big bails, get a hacksaw, and saw it into smaller pieces so you can wash them individually.
once you've washed the coco out, fill up a bin with the water you use, and some cal/mag and pre-charge it over night.
Rinse your perlite before handling, that dust can cause alot of health issue.
burlap sacks, and pillow cases work pretty good for holding the coco while you rinse it.
YAY! another one joins the dark side of coco!
some tips: for the big bails, get a hacksaw, and saw it into smaller pieces so you can wash them individually.
once you've washed the coco out, fill up a bin with the water you use, and some cal/mag and pre-charge it over night.
Rinse your perlite before handling, that dust can cause alot of health issue.
burlap sacks, and pillow cases work pretty good for holding the coco while you rinse it.
skunnymonster
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I love coco, much easier to control than soil imo
I love coco, much easier to control than soil imo
Equanimity
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Sorry, been out of the world a spell... Dewberries basically means "the required items", which may vary.
Welcome to coir. Dunno how well it'll serve you this far into the grow though; are you gonna poke around the root ball to remove the soil? could be dangerous.
Sorry, been out of the world a spell... Dewberries basically means "the required items", which may vary.
Welcome to coir. Dunno how well it'll serve you this far into the grow though; are you gonna poke around the root ball to remove the soil? could be dangerous.
jinn
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you could use gently flowing water to get rid of the soil.
after the soil/water drains out,
Add your mix,
then the coco and perlite will settle in and around the roots as you pour more water over it.
you could use gently flowing water to get rid of the soil.
after the soil/water drains out,
Add your mix,
then the coco and perlite will settle in and around the roots as you pour more water over it.
SoilGirl
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Glad the seedling is well Ants!
waiting on some pics 
Glad the seedling is well Ants!
waiting on some pics
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Thanks for the tips, that'll help make the transplanting job a little bit easier.
Yeah, I'm aware of the risks. But right now, I'm a little over 2 months since sprout, and I have a plant that only looks like its 3-4 weeks old. The growth of the stems, and bud sites is slow, and fan leaves never get full sized. I've tried closer light, farther light, less nutes, more nutes, tried calmag, less watering, more watering, less airflow, oscillating airflow, high airflow, and nothing has made an difference.
Transplanting will be a combination of drying out the soil, aerating to break it up, and once I have the majority of the root ball free, rinsing as jinn suggested below.
Switching because nothing I have tried so far, as outlined in the above post, has corrected the slow growth, or curling leaves. Advantages of coco that I know of: neutral growth medium, clean, does not attract pests, doesn't hold water as long, and probably a few others that I'm forgetting.
Yessir. I plan to let the soil dry out a bit as well, and use my PH probes to loosen large sections of soil, and finish with a water rinse to remove the rest of the soil. I expect to incur some damage to the roots during the transplant, but I'll try to keep that at a minimum, and with a clean, neutral grow medium, I shouldn't have as high of a risk for infection.
And as promised.. Pictures.
Here's the highest, and newest growth on Big Bang, which as you can see still looks pretty rough.
And now a seedling, which was stretching a lot, so I ended up having to put it at almost the same height as the plant, and the stretching has since stopped, growth has been nice and steady, and I see no signs of deficiencies, and no signs of curling leaves.
Now.. on the Big Bang under this LED, I started seeing signs of curling leaves at about the 11 day mark.
The seedling is currently at about the 6-7 day mark now. So I should start seeing problems this weekend, if there's a problem with the light, or soil. Nothing has been changed so far other than it being a new seed, and new strain.
Right now I'm thinking the problems were either soil related, or just a weak pheno.
Thanks for the tips, that'll help make the transplanting job a little bit easier.
Yeah, I'm aware of the risks. But right now, I'm a little over 2 months since sprout, and I have a plant that only looks like its 3-4 weeks old. The growth of the stems, and bud sites is slow, and fan leaves never get full sized. I've tried closer light, farther light, less nutes, more nutes, tried calmag, less watering, more watering, less airflow, oscillating airflow, high airflow, and nothing has made an difference.
Transplanting will be a combination of drying out the soil, aerating to break it up, and once I have the majority of the root ball free, rinsing as jinn suggested below.
Switching because nothing I have tried so far, as outlined in the above post, has corrected the slow growth, or curling leaves. Advantages of coco that I know of: neutral growth medium, clean, does not attract pests, doesn't hold water as long, and probably a few others that I'm forgetting.
Yessir. I plan to let the soil dry out a bit as well, and use my PH probes to loosen large sections of soil, and finish with a water rinse to remove the rest of the soil. I expect to incur some damage to the roots during the transplant, but I'll try to keep that at a minimum, and with a clean, neutral grow medium, I shouldn't have as high of a risk for infection.
And as promised.. Pictures.
Here's the highest, and newest growth on Big Bang, which as you can see still looks pretty rough.
And now a seedling, which was stretching a lot, so I ended up having to put it at almost the same height as the plant, and the stretching has since stopped, growth has been nice and steady, and I see no signs of deficiencies, and no signs of curling leaves.
Now.. on the Big Bang under this LED, I started seeing signs of curling leaves at about the 11 day mark.
The seedling is currently at about the 6-7 day mark now. So I should start seeing problems this weekend, if there's a problem with the light, or soil. Nothing has been changed so far other than it being a new seed, and new strain.
Right now I'm thinking the problems were either soil related, or just a weak pheno.
n00b2112
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Hello Antics,
I have been looking into using that coco stuff for my next grow using the hydro drip setup that I put together. The soil is working pretty well for me, but I despise the little flying creatures that seem to come along with it. Where do these little flies come from?? I bombed my entire basement before starting current grow and I still see them now and then. I have been using some spray called "Safer Tomato & Vegetable" and it seems to keep them under control. I don't spray it directly on the plants, just around the bottom of cabinet. The coco coir seems like it may be the best of both worlds. I really liked the ability to quickly change the ph and nutes when I did my last hydro grow. I will be interested to see how it goes for you. Here is a pic of the hydro unit that I almost have together. I had a lot of problems with roots climbing into water pumps and it was a pain to add water and nutes because I had to hold up a corner of the flimsy lid to pour anything in or do a tank change. I almost dumped the whole works when I was propping lid up with these things I made up just to do a water change. I just have to add the drip rings to the top and it will be done.
Hello Antics,
I have been looking into using that coco stuff for my next grow using the hydro drip setup that I put together. The soil is working pretty well for me, but I despise the little flying creatures that seem to come along with it. Where do these little flies come from?? I bombed my entire basement before starting current grow and I still see them now and then. I have been using some spray called "Safer Tomato & Vegetable" and it seems to keep them under control. I don't spray it directly on the plants, just around the bottom of cabinet. The coco coir seems like it may be the best of both worlds. I really liked the ability to quickly change the ph and nutes when I did my last hydro grow. I will be interested to see how it goes for you. Here is a pic of the hydro unit that I almost have together. I had a lot of problems with roots climbing into water pumps and it was a pain to add water and nutes because I had to hold up a corner of the flimsy lid to pour anything in or do a tank change. I almost dumped the whole works when I was propping lid up with these things I made up just to do a water change. I just have to add the drip rings to the top and it will be done.
jinn
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If the pests aren't native to your house/surrounding area, then 9 times out of 10 they hitch hike with the soil.
just waiting for you to get it moist and warm.
But with coco, the only thing you have to worry about that is bad for your plants health, is the salts inside of it.
Washing your coco before hand even if the manufacturer says its pre-rinsed, is in my opinion, vital.
The Coco darkside awaits you =p
If the pests aren't native to your house/surrounding area, then 9 times out of 10 they hitch hike with the soil.
just waiting for you to get it moist and warm.
But with coco, the only thing you have to worry about that is bad for your plants health, is the salts inside of it.
Washing your coco before hand even if the manufacturer says its pre-rinsed, is in my opinion, vital.
The Coco darkside awaits you =p
SoilGirl
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Well, the seedling looks great at least, and the Big Bang seems to be coming back a bit. Good luck figuring out/beating whatever problem you're having. Wish I could help more but I'm stumped :S
Hope you're well Ants.
Well, the seedling looks great at least, and the Big Bang seems to be coming back a bit. Good luck figuring out/beating whatever problem you're having. Wish I could help more but I'm stumped :S
Hope you're well Ants.
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Jinn hit the nail on the head. Where in my case, they're also common in my area, so throughout the summer they'll sneak into the house every so often, and I'll occasionally see one near the grow room and I have to wonder if they've laid eggs or not. Then as the weather gets cooler, they all seem to sneak inside. It's a constant pain in the ass worrying if they laid eggs or not. The coco is supposed to eliminate that problem. And anything that eliminates a problem safely is fine by me
Agreed on the rinsing. I've only seen one manufacturer say that their coco sits outside through multiple rain seasons, so it is washed free of salts. I plan on expanding my coco in hot water, draining, then another hot water soak, then drain and dry. I figure the hot water will dissolve salts faster than cold water, and will increase the rate that the salts dissolve, as well as increase the waters ability to hold more dissolved salts.
No need to be nice, the Big Bang looks like shit. We all know it lol. BUT! It's still alive, so I've managed to at least keep her going this long while trying to figure out what the problem was. I'm still not 100% on it either, but I wanted to try coco anyways, so it's worth a shot now.
And no, I'm exhausted. The storm completely wiped me out. Every muscle is sore. The only thing that's been keeping me going all week was Sativa lunch breaks, and Indica before bed.
Thankfully I have plenty of Cannabis, I wouldn't have made it through this week without it.
I hope you and your pantyhose strangulation hobby are doing well too, thanks for dropping in Soily!
Jinn hit the nail on the head. Where in my case, they're also common in my area, so throughout the summer they'll sneak into the house every so often, and I'll occasionally see one near the grow room and I have to wonder if they've laid eggs or not. Then as the weather gets cooler, they all seem to sneak inside. It's a constant pain in the ass worrying if they laid eggs or not. The coco is supposed to eliminate that problem. And anything that eliminates a problem safely is fine by me
Agreed on the rinsing. I've only seen one manufacturer say that their coco sits outside through multiple rain seasons, so it is washed free of salts. I plan on expanding my coco in hot water, draining, then another hot water soak, then drain and dry. I figure the hot water will dissolve salts faster than cold water, and will increase the rate that the salts dissolve, as well as increase the waters ability to hold more dissolved salts.
Well, the seedling looks great at least, and the Big Bang seems to be coming back a bit. Good luck figuring out/beating whatever problem you're having. Wish I could help more but I'm stumped :S
Hope you're well Ants.
No need to be nice, the Big Bang looks like shit. We all know it lol. BUT! It's still alive, so I've managed to at least keep her going this long while trying to figure out what the problem was. I'm still not 100% on it either, but I wanted to try coco anyways, so it's worth a shot now.
And no, I'm exhausted. The storm completely wiped me out. Every muscle is sore. The only thing that's been keeping me going all week was Sativa lunch breaks, and Indica before bed.
Thankfully I have plenty of Cannabis, I wouldn't have made it through this week without it.
I hope you and your pantyhose strangulation hobby are doing well too, thanks for dropping in Soily!
jinn
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Another addition to coco that helps eliminate/prevent even more pest attacks, is covering the top of your coco with about 2" of good clean sand. you can get a 40lb bag at any major construction store for 2-3$.
Another addition to coco that helps eliminate/prevent even more pest attacks, is covering the top of your coco with about 2" of good clean sand. you can get a 40lb bag at any major construction store for 2-3$.
Equanimity
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How easy is it to get the sand out again if you want to reuse the coir? i recently dried some and didn't even try to get the perlite out.
How easy is it to get the sand out again if you want to reuse the coir? i recently dried some and didn't even try to get the perlite out.
Dub AvitaS
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Just finished reading the whole journal up to this point. (They should put these on Audio books lol) Anyhoo, this whole journal has been like a novel bro. The main character from humble beginnings, rises up in life only to be met with incredible adversity and struggle and now we are to the part where our protagonist is starting her comeback as we race to an exciting conclusion. I can't wait to see how she turns out!
Also, man I'm glad your power didn't go out in that storm. That much snow down here in the south and our power would probably still be out.
Great journal! (subbed)
Just finished reading the whole journal up to this point. (They should put these on Audio books lol) Anyhoo, this whole journal has been like a novel bro. The main character from humble beginnings, rises up in life only to be met with incredible adversity and struggle and now we are to the part where our protagonist is starting her comeback as we race to an exciting conclusion. I can't wait to see how she turns out!
Also, man I'm glad your power didn't go out in that storm. That much snow down here in the south and our power would probably still be out.
Great journal! (subbed)
jinn
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Hope this makes sense as i just medicated.
its actually not too hard to get the sand out if you something like a mesh laundry bag, as the sand will trickle out, and the coir stays (mostly) put, you will ofcourse have some particulate lost. And generally with the same mesh bag you can pull the perlite out by floating it all in a bin.
Hope this makes sense as i just medicated.
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Update.
Curiosity got the best of me yesterday, so I started poking around the soil of Big Bang. And I ended up deciding to dig it up. Well it wasn't too difficult, the root growth really, really sucked. It almost seemed like it was still growing in the small 3" (7.5cm) pot I started the seed in.
I transplanted in to a smaller pot, about 1/2 gallon / 1.9 liter for now until my coco arrives. I filled the pot with DRY soil, with the only moisture being some soil that was still on the roots. By yesterday evening the leaves were starting to wilt, and some branches were wilting, so I gave her a little watering with nutes @ 2.5ml/gal micro, 2.5ml/gal grow, 2.5ml/gal bloom, and decided to wait it out. This morning her leaves and branches are picking right back up, and looking good again. Leaves are still curled, but a picture of the top growth looks promising so far, as the newest leaves aren't as curled yet...
It seems that perhaps the problem was the soil was holding too much moisture for far too long, so we'll know more in a few days.
As for the Strawberry Blue seedling, she's coming along nicely, but I'm seeing a ripple in the edge of the largest fan leaves, so I'm not sure what to make of this yet, I'm hoping she doesn't start having problems too, but we'll know in a few more days as well.
Update.
Curiosity got the best of me yesterday, so I started poking around the soil of Big Bang. And I ended up deciding to dig it up. Well it wasn't too difficult, the root growth really, really sucked. It almost seemed like it was still growing in the small 3" (7.5cm) pot I started the seed in.
I transplanted in to a smaller pot, about 1/2 gallon / 1.9 liter for now until my coco arrives. I filled the pot with DRY soil, with the only moisture being some soil that was still on the roots. By yesterday evening the leaves were starting to wilt, and some branches were wilting, so I gave her a little watering with nutes @ 2.5ml/gal micro, 2.5ml/gal grow, 2.5ml/gal bloom, and decided to wait it out. This morning her leaves and branches are picking right back up, and looking good again. Leaves are still curled, but a picture of the top growth looks promising so far, as the newest leaves aren't as curled yet...
It seems that perhaps the problem was the soil was holding too much moisture for far too long, so we'll know more in a few days.
As for the Strawberry Blue seedling, she's coming along nicely, but I'm seeing a ripple in the edge of the largest fan leaves, so I'm not sure what to make of this yet, I'm hoping she doesn't start having problems too, but we'll know in a few more days as well.
theengineer
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my first set of big leaves usually has some rippling, and never look perfect, so I wouldn't worry about it, dude
my first set of big leaves usually has some rippling, and never look perfect, so I wouldn't worry about it, dude
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Thanks for the reassurance, after all the problems I had I'm a little paranoid and overly cautious over everything right now.
my first set of big leaves usually has some rippling, and never look perfect, so I wouldn't worry about it, dude
Thanks for the reassurance, after all the problems I had I'm a little paranoid and overly cautious over everything right now.