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AKgramma
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I gave myself a case of hay fever today, collecting pollen! 
I hear of alot sterilizing their soil. Use to be standard practice. Kill off weeds and fungus. I walked in in the middle of a convo.
Temps at the root zone are key to cloning. And sterile medium if you use it. I have trouble when it's summertime here. I can't get temps low enough in the water. Least in the cloest off the flower room, I use for clones. Not sure what you use to clone with? I use a aero setup. But I've used all forms. The aero has the best results I feel tho. Alot just use a plastic bag and get good results. Just a drive-by.. GL and Keepem Green
Temps at the root zone are key to cloning. And sterile medium if you use it. I have trouble when it's summertime here. I can't get temps low enough in the water. Least in the cloest off the flower room, I use for clones. Not sure what you use to clone with? I use a aero setup. But I've used all forms. The aero has the best results I feel tho. Alot just use a plastic bag and get good results. Just a drive-by.. GL and Keepem Green
I asked my organic farmer friend today about her oven-sterilization technique. The answers were a little vague. Not because she doesn't know exactly what she's doing, but because she did it 'by feel' in the oven of a wood stove without a thermometer.
She said it needed 'quite a while' at a low-medium temp to make sure all the soil was sterilized including the soil in the middle. She didn't do it to kill weeds, as I had thought, just to kill disease and fungus/moulds that tend to interfere with young sprouts. She said it would take high temps to kill the weeds.
In any case she doesn't do it this way anymore. She felt bad nuking the soil, it was a PITA to do all the time, and she can buy a bale of Sunshine mix for much less effort and it works better.
Re cloning, I never tried in soil, but I would think it would be one of the hardest ways to clone, because of all its potentially harmful micro-life, the nutrients it contains, and it's moisture/oxygen content.
The closer I get to a completely inert and sterile but 'fluffy' medium, the better luck I have.
I did well cloning in coco, and also in perlite. But they both seem to always eventually acquire and harbour pythium type algae that causes root rot.
But then I was being lazy and using the same perlite and coco for months at a time. If you're diligent and clean things and change it every couple weeks I think it would be a different story.
The aero cloner is so easy to clean, and tricking water is somewhat easier and cheaper than replacing the perlite if you're lazy.
I didn't have much luck with Sunshine mix (peat moss/perlite). But it contains a small amount of nutrients. Anytime I add nutes to the equation I don't seem to get roots.
Cloning medium aside, rooting seems to be mainly about the temps.
If you have some perlite around, it does work well for cloning and is really worth a try.
Another method as NCW just mentioned - the plastic baggies- seem to work great.
She said it needed 'quite a while' at a low-medium temp to make sure all the soil was sterilized including the soil in the middle. She didn't do it to kill weeds, as I had thought, just to kill disease and fungus/moulds that tend to interfere with young sprouts. She said it would take high temps to kill the weeds.
In any case she doesn't do it this way anymore. She felt bad nuking the soil, it was a PITA to do all the time, and she can buy a bale of Sunshine mix for much less effort and it works better.
Re cloning, I never tried in soil, but I would think it would be one of the hardest ways to clone, because of all its potentially harmful micro-life, the nutrients it contains, and it's moisture/oxygen content.
The closer I get to a completely inert and sterile but 'fluffy' medium, the better luck I have.
I did well cloning in coco, and also in perlite. But they both seem to always eventually acquire and harbour pythium type algae that causes root rot.
But then I was being lazy and using the same perlite and coco for months at a time. If you're diligent and clean things and change it every couple weeks I think it would be a different story.
The aero cloner is so easy to clean, and tricking water is somewhat easier and cheaper than replacing the perlite if you're lazy.
I didn't have much luck with Sunshine mix (peat moss/perlite). But it contains a small amount of nutrients. Anytime I add nutes to the equation I don't seem to get roots.
Cloning medium aside, rooting seems to be mainly about the temps.
If you have some perlite around, it does work well for cloning and is really worth a try.
Another method as NCW just mentioned - the plastic baggies- seem to work great.
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I've just used the plastic bag "Toast" method! It's worked for me around 75% of the time. I used used soil usually. The key in my opinion is soil temp and humidity. I usually just cut a clone put it in a wet solo cup of soil. Place it in a grocery store fruit/vegetable bag. Spray water into the bag. Blow it full of Co2 rich air and tie it closed. Wait a week or so until the soil drys up. Water it blow air in it, tie it back up wait another week. By that time I can usually see which clones are gonna make it. Just take a 4-5 clones to make sure.
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I am so THRILLED that we are one step closer to the Feds taking cannabis off the schedule 1 list! I saw it on the news, and it is posted here:
Marijuana-Based Epilepsy Drug Could Soon Get Federal Approval, A Historic First | 420 MAGAZINE ®
Of course, once pharma starts producing regularly the price could go up to 25 grand a year! Hell! We can grow our own CBD strains for $1200 a year.
Marijuana-Based Epilepsy Drug Could Soon Get Federal Approval, A Historic First | 420 MAGAZINE ®
Of course, once pharma starts producing regularly the price could go up to 25 grand a year! Hell! We can grow our own CBD strains for $1200 a year.
Hmm...
I remember Marinol. But that one contains dronabinol - which is a synthetic cannabinoid.
Then there's Syndros, but that is just a liquid form of the above (dronabinol). It is made by DPT Lakewood LLC for Insys Therapeutics. Incidentally, Insys Therapeutics contributed at least $500,000 to Arizona’s successful anti-cannabis legalization efforts. Oh, and Insys also sells Subsys - which is a fentanyl-based medication. And Insys received approval for its CDB product four years ago, under the FDA's orphan drug program, as a treatment for Dravet syndrome (rare pediatric-onset epilepsy). However, I think that one is also a synthetic. I know it's made in the same lab in Round Rock, Texas where dronabinol is produced, so it probably is.
As that article you linked states, most of the "CBD oil" products that are being sold today are stated as being derived from "industrial" hemp, so they all should be legal. But those waters be mighty murky; I would hate to find myself in court attempting to defend someone using that logic (it didn't work for someone trying to get out of a possession charge for <censored
> stating that reed canary grass was perfectly legal). Logic has never existed in government 
- otherwise, the "Complete Code of Law" would be a booklet of about 35 pages, and the section on drugs would consist of a short paragraph telling people to refer to the law about poisons, if someone harmed another with a drug, and to the relevant sections on the specific crimes if someone used a drug and then committed an offense. The section on medicines/health/etc. would be slightly larger, perhaps two or three pages. In it would be something about profiteering from same, and listing harsh punishments if the profit was too high (see also: usury rates for loans/financing )Cesamet (nabilone) is another synthetic cannabinoid drug. It has changed hands a few times, but is still being manufactured/sold. Corbus Pharmaceuticals was working on one (may still be, IDK). Ditto for Zynerba Pharmaceuticals (two drugs). Again, though, these are all synthetic.
I noticed that there are three letters missing from that article: D-E-A. As far as I know, that agency would still have to approve Epidiolex. It has done so with at least one of the synthetics, dropping it from Schedule I to Schedule III (that's approval, lol - it means your doctor can prescribe a thing, and that you can go pick it up with that prescription). I have never been able to find a case where the D approved a product/substance derived directly from an actual cannabis plant before. Then again, GW Pharmaceuticals has vastly deeper pockets - and far more political/lobbying power - than all the previous individuals and groups that have tried to get any form of cannabis or cannabis-based medication rescheduled.
It'll probably happen with this one. AND... It'll probably end up that CBD (only, at least for now) will be classified as a Schedule III drug. In other words, it'll be prescription-only. But that's just a guess. A guess, but... GW Pharmaceuticals is not going to do anything that'll end up meaning people can just go buy a bottle of someone else's CBD oil, now are they?
They might just win D approval for this thing, then sit on the medication except for certain specific - and possibly rare - conditions. That could be part of a strategy to lock the thing up, so to speak. And IF that comes to pass, I don't expect any of the other big Pharma interests (there are surprisingly few, if you keep going up the chain) to protest too loudly. After all, think of all the many drugs on the market that an approved CBD product would interefere with sales(/profits) of.
Never forget that this is a BUSINESS. The only goals of a for-profit business are staying in business and making a profit.
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Well THAT took the wind out of my sails.... 
I won't strain my brain over the intricacies of Big Pharma greed and the regulations that support it.
I live in a legal state and have been told by the APD themselves who saw my grow that my few plants are perfectly legal. (They were over here because a neighbor thought she saw unauthorized people in my house and APD did a search before letting me back into my house. The whole Live PD entrance scene played out at my place! But that is an unrelated story.)
Anyway, just waiting on the fertilized lady to mature enough to get a second dose of pollen. ( I successfully harvest the pollen from the one AK47 X DP male). She's the only one in flower. I still have the White Widow clone who I mainlined. She's got her second wind after all the training and is putting out strong branches. I'll have to pinch out the new growth showing up below the future canopy and rearrange her tie downs to keep her symmetrical. She just got washed down with neem, as I saw some mites.
I also have two seedlings I inherited from the grandson: offspring from an AK47 X DP pollinated by a White Castle.( from my own seeds) First leaves are long, narrow and arrow-shaped, so will be heavy on the sativa side, but not completely. There IS an Indica landrace in their ancestry.
And that's it for this phase of the grow. I have the urge to sprout the ATF's, but my energy levels, mentally and physically, are just too low for me to start another batch at this time. A lot of work when the crop isn't being used much.
Not much incentive to grow, when I know my crop doesn't look pretty enough to appeal to the growers in the family. Also, being free is not enough of an incentive for family to stop wasting their money at the dispensaries. Nowadays the "kids" want the big buds, which they crumble up anyway to fit in their bowls.
But, I'm not ready to call it quits yet. When I get to that point, all of the equipment will be sold off, so I can recoup a little bit of my investment. And the seeds will be gifted to those in need.
I won't strain my brain over the intricacies of Big Pharma greed and the regulations that support it.
I live in a legal state and have been told by the APD themselves who saw my grow that my few plants are perfectly legal. (They were over here because a neighbor thought she saw unauthorized people in my house and APD did a search before letting me back into my house. The whole Live PD entrance scene played out at my place! But that is an unrelated story.)
Anyway, just waiting on the fertilized lady to mature enough to get a second dose of pollen. ( I successfully harvest the pollen from the one AK47 X DP male). She's the only one in flower. I still have the White Widow clone who I mainlined. She's got her second wind after all the training and is putting out strong branches. I'll have to pinch out the new growth showing up below the future canopy and rearrange her tie downs to keep her symmetrical. She just got washed down with neem, as I saw some mites.
I also have two seedlings I inherited from the grandson: offspring from an AK47 X DP pollinated by a White Castle.( from my own seeds) First leaves are long, narrow and arrow-shaped, so will be heavy on the sativa side, but not completely. There IS an Indica landrace in their ancestry.
And that's it for this phase of the grow. I have the urge to sprout the ATF's, but my energy levels, mentally and physically, are just too low for me to start another batch at this time. A lot of work when the crop isn't being used much.
Not much incentive to grow, when I know my crop doesn't look pretty enough to appeal to the growers in the family. Also, being free is not enough of an incentive for family to stop wasting their money at the dispensaries. Nowadays the "kids" want the big buds, which they crumble up anyway to fit in their bowls.
But, I'm not ready to call it quits yet. When I get to that point, all of the equipment will be sold off, so I can recoup a little bit of my investment. And the seeds will be gifted to those in need.
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Damn. Sorry to hear about your troubles. Still count yaself lucky youre in a country/state where its legal. If certain other people on this site got a knock on the door I dont think you would hear from them again... atleast not for 3-10 years lol.Well THAT took the wind out of my sails....
I won't strain my brain over the intricacies of Big Pharma greed and the regulations that support it.
I live in a legal state and have been told by the APD themselves who saw my grow that my few plants are perfectly legal. (They were over here because a neighbor thought she saw unauthorized people in my house and APD did a search before letting me back into my house. The whole Live PD entrance scene played out at my place! But that is an unrelated story.)
Anyway, just waiting on the fertilized lady to mature enough to get a second dose of pollen. ( I successfully harvest the pollen from the one AK47 X DP male). She's the only one in flower. I still have the White Widow clone who I mainlined. She's got her second wind after all the training and is putting out strong branches. I'll have to pinch out the new growth showing up below the future canopy and rearrange her tie downs to keep her symmetrical. She just got washed down with neem, as I saw some mites.
I also have two seedlings I inherited from the grandson: offspring from an AK47 X DP pollinated by a White Castle.( from my own seeds) First leaves are long, narrow and arrow-shaped, so will be heavy on the sativa side, but not completely. There IS an Indica landrace in their ancestry.
And that's it for this phase of the grow. I have the urge to sprout the ATF's, but my energy levels, mentally and physically, are just too low for me to start another batch at this time. A lot of work when the crop isn't being used much.
Not much incentive to grow, when I know my crop doesn't look pretty enough to appeal to the growers in the family. Also, being free is not enough of an incentive for family to stop wasting their money at the dispensaries. Nowadays the "kids" want the big buds, which they crumble up anyway to fit in their bowls.
But, I'm not ready to call it quits yet. When I get to that point, all of the equipment will be sold off, so I can recoup a little bit of my investment. And the seeds will be gifted to those in need.
But yer happy the breedings going well. People enjoy playing music to theyre plants. Maybe a bit of marvin gaye is in order to set the mood for them lol
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A family member gave me back 2 plants he took back from me (revolving door) and sure, enough... mites. I almost refused them but since they were still young and strong, I trimmed out all the crowded leaves and branches and any colonies, and soaked both down in neem.
BUT, and this is a BIG but, if the treatments don't work, they are getting trashed and I am going to stick to plants I sprout myself. No clones, period!
I'm old, I'm grouchy, and I have no more patience to deal with cloning or nursing sick plants. I have enough seeds to last me many years. Gonna keep it simple and retain what saniyly I have le......... WHO LEFT THE DAMNED DOOR OPEN!!!!!
BUT, and this is a BIG but, if the treatments don't work, they are getting trashed and I am going to stick to plants I sprout myself. No clones, period!
I'm old, I'm grouchy, and I have no more patience to deal with cloning or nursing sick plants. I have enough seeds to last me many years. Gonna keep it simple and retain what saniyly I have le......... WHO LEFT THE DAMNED DOOR OPEN!!!!!
You spelled 'sanity' wrong
(Just trying to help...)
(Just trying to help...)
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AKgramma
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Typo.
Do a quick and simple extraction on it, then tell your ungrateful descendants that you stumbled upon it for only $35/gram, and that you'll let them have all of it for only a $5/gram markup for your trouble.
Three weeks later, thank them for paying way too much for your bud (extraction).
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The only simple extraction I do well is the Tincture. But they want to drink it straight, not use it in drinks and food. Not sure how to package that for redistribution, since I brew in quart mason jars. And Bicardi is expensive. Vodka, is cheap, however, but still $ going out with no return.
Great grandma used to operate three stills, lol. Of course, that didn't always... work out too well.
If you had a mad scientist's lab handy, you could liquefy CO₂ and easily do extractions by simply pouring the stuff through your buds. Of course, liquefying the CO₂ isn't all that easy sans laboratory; there might be places in your state where you could get it down to -69°F - but the 5.1 bar pressure would be a bit tricky. (I strongly suspect that water would be perfect for this kind of thing... at around 705°F and 220.6 bar (3,200 psi) when many of its physical properties are the opposite of what they are under more normal conditions.)
I'm just grumbling because people ought to be nicer to nice people. I think that families are even better(???) at ignoring this thing than strangers.
Someone around "here" (the forum) has a great big plastic(?) bottle they keep in their freezer with a handful of (IIRC) marbles in it. They throw ground bud into it. When it gets full enough to suit them, they replace the lid with a piece of screen material (silkscreen?), held on by rubber bands or the like, and shake the <BLEEP> out of it over something flat like a mirror or other piece of glass. Then they push all the result together with a razor blade. What is left in the jug might still have some use as a cooking ingredient, IDK.
The savages! Do the sleep outside, if it's too far to walk home from the saloon, the saddle is suddenly too far off the ground... and the mud is warm, lol?
If you had a mad scientist's lab handy, you could liquefy CO₂ and easily do extractions by simply pouring the stuff through your buds. Of course, liquefying the CO₂ isn't all that easy sans laboratory; there might be places in your state where you could get it down to -69°F - but the 5.1 bar pressure would be a bit tricky. (I strongly suspect that water would be perfect for this kind of thing... at around 705°F and 220.6 bar (3,200 psi) when many of its physical properties are the opposite of what they are under more normal conditions.)
I'm just grumbling because people ought to be nicer to nice people. I think that families are even better(???) at ignoring this thing than strangers.
Someone around "here" (the forum) has a great big plastic(?) bottle they keep in their freezer with a handful of (IIRC) marbles in it. They throw ground bud into it. When it gets full enough to suit them, they replace the lid with a piece of screen material (silkscreen?), held on by rubber bands or the like, and shake the <BLEEP> out of it over something flat like a mirror or other piece of glass. Then they push all the result together with a razor blade. What is left in the jug might still have some use as a cooking ingredient, IDK.
The savages! Do the sleep outside, if it's too far to walk home from the saloon, the saddle is suddenly too far off the ground... and the mud is warm, lol?
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AKgramma
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I assume that marble thingy is to extract trics?
The rest was over my head. I dont think you can get water to 705 F in the kitchen and what the Hell is a bar? No, I really don't want to strain my old brain on information I don't need.
Problem with drinking the tincture straight is that it costs so much for the liquor. It's not like I have access to free shine.....
The rest was over my head. I dont think you can get water to 705 F in the kitchen and what the Hell is a bar? No, I really don't want to strain my old brain on information I don't need.
Problem with drinking the tincture straight is that it costs so much for the liquor. It's not like I have access to free shine.....
Yes.
NO, not even in a pressure cooker. Measure of pressure (1 bar = ~14.5 psi).
And it has liquor in it, lol. They don't run 'stills up there in AK? There are still a few people who do it in my neck of the woods for sh!ts and giggles.
NO, not even in a pressure cooker. Measure of pressure (1 bar = ~14.5 psi).
And it has liquor in it, lol. They don't run 'stills up there in AK? There are still a few people who do it in my neck of the woods for sh!ts and giggles.
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AKgramma
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A few, he says.
They still run shine where in from! Lol
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Interesting development.... one of my fertilized AK 47 X DP's suddenly started to dry up and lose her leaves. It looks like a race between producing seeds and total death. The flowers are very small, with a tiny bit of swelling calyxes.
The fertilized lady right next to her is healthy, altho with small flowers. Both received a bloom feeding a couple days ago. So I dont know what the difference could be.
The fertilized lady right next to her is healthy, altho with small flowers. Both received a bloom feeding a couple days ago. So I dont know what the difference could be.
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