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I used to have a couple different sizes of some welded wire fencing that probably would have worked a treat. I never even thought of that at the time, although I did use it for SRoG screens.
SweetSue said:
I suppose you get exactly what you want - and what works for you - rather than someone else's idea of what will work, too.
SweetSue said:
I've always been a function over form kind of guy.
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Hey, h00k, I'm shook. Thank you, my brother.
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AKgramma
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This morning I got tired of seeing my last three poor OGK clones struggling along with their curved, mottled, and sparse leaves. I decided to cut them at 11 weeks.
The harvest isn't great, but I wanted to share it with anyone who also ends up with an ugly harvest. The two pictures are what I got off off all 3. halfway through trimming, I thought I would share the before and after trimming. After the trim, I am going to bud wash, then hang them up to drip dry, before drying them normally. This is why I left them on the branches. Much easier to handle till time to put the individual buds into the paper bags. BTW, I saved the trim, since it was all sticky, to use in capsules.
First, what they looked like before trim. This is just what came off one plant.
This is what I had trimmed out when I stopped for a break and took pictures. I trimmed off all leaves with 3 fingers, then snipped the sugar leaves to shape the bud. Sativa buds like these tend to be open and airy, and will be fine for joints, or for pressing into larger nugs for bong users.
In spite of the ugly harvest, these WILL be potent enough to satisfy my family, and possibly good enough to make cookies and brownies. I won't have a weight until they are ready to jar.
The harvest isn't great, but I wanted to share it with anyone who also ends up with an ugly harvest. The two pictures are what I got off off all 3. halfway through trimming, I thought I would share the before and after trimming. After the trim, I am going to bud wash, then hang them up to drip dry, before drying them normally. This is why I left them on the branches. Much easier to handle till time to put the individual buds into the paper bags. BTW, I saved the trim, since it was all sticky, to use in capsules.
First, what they looked like before trim. This is just what came off one plant.
This is what I had trimmed out when I stopped for a break and took pictures. I trimmed off all leaves with 3 fingers, then snipped the sugar leaves to shape the bud. Sativa buds like these tend to be open and airy, and will be fine for joints, or for pressing into larger nugs for bong users.
In spite of the ugly harvest, these WILL be potent enough to satisfy my family, and possibly good enough to make cookies and brownies. I won't have a weight until they are ready to jar.
Any harvest is better than no harvest!
I know what you mean about sativa bud structure. Back 20+ years ago when I sold cannabis, there was a guy that didn't want to buy a lid because it was airy. It was a really outstanding sativa, so I didn't mind keeping it, lol. But then I got to thinking... So I went home, got a bit more than an ounce that wasn't completely dry (I used to run perpetual), smashed all the buds, put them into a Ziploc, and put a book or two on top to keep them in that shape. I cut a few holes in the bag so that it could finish drying, figured screw the cure, and when it was completely (you know) dry, I took it to the guy. Said I only had a little so I'd have to charge him about 20% more. He tried a bowl, said it was "way better than that other stuff," and happily paid it. Go figure.
I guess I used to be a really big @sshole. But I was generally provoked
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I know what you mean about sativa bud structure. Back 20+ years ago when I sold cannabis, there was a guy that didn't want to buy a lid because it was airy. It was a really outstanding sativa, so I didn't mind keeping it, lol. But then I got to thinking... So I went home, got a bit more than an ounce that wasn't completely dry (I used to run perpetual), smashed all the buds, put them into a Ziploc, and put a book or two on top to keep them in that shape. I cut a few holes in the bag so that it could finish drying, figured screw the cure, and when it was completely (you know) dry, I took it to the guy. Said I only had a little so I'd have to charge him about 20% more. He tried a bowl, said it was "way better than that other stuff," and happily paid it. Go figure.
I guess I used to be a really big @sshole. But I was generally provoked
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AKgramma
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TS: Great story!
About 6 months ago, I happened on a tutorial on how to make compressed nugs from the small left-over buds, using just the corner of a ziplock baggie. (no expensive equipment) I offered some nugs to the members of the family who smoke and they liked them. So, for them, I press the little stuff into bigger stuff and leave a small stem for the shiggity-flip method of smoking (as laid out by Shiggityflip, BTW). I shared that info with my smokers and their eyes got wide and said that sounded kewl, so they are going to try it.
You just never know what turns your "customers" on, eh?
I only get a few decent sized buds off each plant, then have to press the smaller ones together. So out of a plant, I get a variety of "products": the good buds, the compressed nugs, trim and tiny buds for joints, and left-over trim for capsules and edibles.
What is funny, is their perception of what is more potent. Its all the same plant. Just differently packaged. And I figure, why demand a large bud when you're just going to crush it up to put in a joint?
About 6 months ago, I happened on a tutorial on how to make compressed nugs from the small left-over buds, using just the corner of a ziplock baggie. (no expensive equipment) I offered some nugs to the members of the family who smoke and they liked them. So, for them, I press the little stuff into bigger stuff and leave a small stem for the shiggity-flip method of smoking (as laid out by Shiggityflip, BTW). I shared that info with my smokers and their eyes got wide and said that sounded kewl, so they are going to try it.
You just never know what turns your "customers" on, eh?
I only get a few decent sized buds off each plant, then have to press the smaller ones together. So out of a plant, I get a variety of "products": the good buds, the compressed nugs, trim and tiny buds for joints, and left-over trim for capsules and edibles.
What is funny, is their perception of what is more potent. Its all the same plant. Just differently packaged. And I figure, why demand a large bud when you're just going to crush it up to put in a joint?
My first (successful) indoor grows were with a double-decker (two sets, one above the other) setup of 400 watts each of 4' fluorescent tubes, so almost all of the buds were thumb-sized or smaller. I think some people got "spoiled" with forearm-sized buds somewhere along the way. My main concern has been sinsemilla, potency, taste, smell, type of effect, duration of same, and clean burning (lack of the "snap crackle pop" that would show an abundance of fertilizer in the buds). Oh, and no mold or other pests, either. And not necessarily in that order.
Other than that... well, there's not really anything else on the list, lol.
Other than that... well, there's not really anything else on the list, lol.
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AKgramma
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I tried the double-decker thingy early on for juveniles, but had to abandon it, because I wasn't able to reach the upper chamber very well, and standing on a stool is out of the question for these old knees. The lower chamber is 48" tall to accommodate the lighting and the height of the plants. I put the fan and most of the electrical in the upper chamber now. The wire shelving lets me lay a fan face-down to blow right on the plants.
The tubes were not capable of much in the way of penetration, but were probably a little more efficient (in terms of light per watt) than CFLs. Packing them close together, I ended up with 8' of light for a 4' space. The one screamed for a flat-plane grow style - what everyone calls SCRoG now - and the other said, "Hey - your grow takes up less than half the height of the room, so..." But maintenance was a pain. I was using chicken wire for the screen and there seemed to be 3x as many holes on the top section than the bottom one
.That produced small buds - but there are a lot of holes on 16 square feet of chicken wire. It was slow and labor intensitive, but worthwhile, I suppose. With HID, there is more wiggle room (so to speak) but the same growing style (on one level instead of a double) worked. From the few times that I bothered to make the screen more bowl-shaped to be lower directly under the bulb, I saw the benefits of stadium growing and growing with bare vertical bulb setups where the plants would surround (and, sometimes, be surrounded by) the bulbs. I have actually read of someone consistently hitting 2 grams per watt and, once, attaining something like 2.4 or 2.6 g/w with the latter style. But that would have been with every possible variable just about perfect, and a strain that fit the style well, was a high-production strain, and one that the grower knew inside and out. I think he might have been a full-scale medicinal grower with several patients.
I was a lot younger then. These days, no, I wouldn't want to do it. Neither the work from a stool/stepladder or the squatting to work on the lower level. And I'm still a pup, lol.
Yup!...have been finding recently...it's easier to bring the plant to the light...rather than vice versa...back and bending...just ain't what it used to be!...lolool...h00k...
Lol, the three stages of life: Not even thinking before doing something, thinking about the pain while you're doing something, and thinking about the pain that you're going to have when you do something.
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AKgramma
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It's time for a tour of my grow.
This is a night-time shot of my last two BBLs in flower. They are at 12 weeks and far enough along to take. After this, I can switch this larger unit to veg, and put all my other plants into it. I need to cut down on my light bill!
Closups of the BBL buds. I had to point and click in the dark, so they are not well positioned.
The mystery plants under CFLs
The last of the BBL clones. She's going to become a mother plant. Planted into a 3 gallon perlite/soil trash bin last week.
Three AK48's FEM, about 2 weeks old. One is fading away (in the rear). VERY tight nodes! In the 1/2 gallon juice containers.
The two autos, also about 2 weeks old, Very vigorous growth, big leaves. in the 3 gallon bins.
I am very pleased with this grow, since most of it is from seed.
This is a night-time shot of my last two BBLs in flower. They are at 12 weeks and far enough along to take. After this, I can switch this larger unit to veg, and put all my other plants into it. I need to cut down on my light bill!
Closups of the BBL buds. I had to point and click in the dark, so they are not well positioned.
The mystery plants under CFLs
The last of the BBL clones. She's going to become a mother plant. Planted into a 3 gallon perlite/soil trash bin last week.
Three AK48's FEM, about 2 weeks old. One is fading away (in the rear). VERY tight nodes! In the 1/2 gallon juice containers.
The two autos, also about 2 weeks old, Very vigorous growth, big leaves. in the 3 gallon bins.
I am very pleased with this grow, since most of it is from seed.
Arctic Bowl
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Things are looking mighty tasty around here AK 
we would love to trade electric bills with you though, we're so sick of fuel surcharges up here that are more than the useage bill, bunch of thiefs but, we do understand, wouldn't mind some lower bills ourselves 
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AKgramma
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Today I cut my last 2 BBLs (first pic in Post #732). They have been bud washed using a two-bucket method and are now hanging on clothes hangers to dry.
At this stage, I always cut them at the major branches, so I can just hook them over the coat hanger wires. There were a few from the bottom, however, that I had to cut separately and pin them to the coat hangers with clothes pins.
I did not trim before the wash, since I also use the small fan leaves in capsules with trim and small buds.
So now, the large unit is shut down, and will need a good cleaning before I move all the vegging plants into it. Then I will be able to retire the other 2 until the photoperiods are ready to flower. That is going to be at least a month or two down the road.
Question for you all, will the gaslight schedule, stunt the autos? I only have two at the moment, and all the rest are photos. I want to save on the electric bill, which has been creeping up lately, but I don't want to mess up the first photos I have.
FYI for newbies: Gaslight is setting your timer on 12/12. with a one-hour ON time in the middle of the dark period to keep them from flowering. a great savings in electricity!
At this stage, I always cut them at the major branches, so I can just hook them over the coat hanger wires. There were a few from the bottom, however, that I had to cut separately and pin them to the coat hangers with clothes pins.
I did not trim before the wash, since I also use the small fan leaves in capsules with trim and small buds.
So now, the large unit is shut down, and will need a good cleaning before I move all the vegging plants into it. Then I will be able to retire the other 2 until the photoperiods are ready to flower. That is going to be at least a month or two down the road.
Question for you all, will the gaslight schedule, stunt the autos? I only have two at the moment, and all the rest are photos. I want to save on the electric bill, which has been creeping up lately, but I don't want to mess up the first photos I have.
FYI for newbies: Gaslight is setting your timer on 12/12. with a one-hour ON time in the middle of the dark period to keep them from flowering. a great savings in electricity!
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AKgramma
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Things are looking mighty tasty around here AK
At one tyime the electric bill WAS a lot cheaper here than where you are, but we have had raise aftr raise and surcharges upon surcharges to pay for new facilities we are bulding down here, mainely the wind farm, and extra distribution stations. They keep promising it will lower our bills when we vote on them to get them passed, but I have yet to see any kind of reduction in my bills. They are TWICE what they were when I moved her 5 years ago, and are rapidly heading up to $200 a month!
Now we have a lot of electronics, so not all of that can be blamed on the grow, but at least 30 - 40% IS related to the grow. And now, we're heading into the Dark Side, so more light usage.
I used to use waxed dental floss a lot. Sounds silly. But it'll take some weight without breaking, won't absorb moisture or harbor mold, and it's thin enough that I could just cut a tiny little bit into stems with a single-edge razor blade to make a "hanger." I had originally thought of fishing line, but I figured the dental floss would be both less "stretchy" and easier to see and avoid accidents. And there's quite a bit of dental floss in one of those little boxes.
Arctic Bowl
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Aren't those F Ing surcharges a joke? We get the same crap here from our co-op electric company, always raising the rates. Pretty soon only the board members will be left up here and they can raise the rates until they have no pay check, A holes. We live in a small log cabin and it's pretty normal to have 300 plus dollar electric bills, and like you I'm sure a portion of it is from the grow area but holly shit, not like our pay check goes up to help off set the utility rate hikes FFS.
Blessed Buds our friend, we will keep you posted on the "kit"
Blessed Buds our friend, we will keep you posted on the "kit"
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AKgramma
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I finally made time to scrub and disinfect the large unit and put all my vegging plants in there, including a few flowering shrub starts in solo cups I got from a plant and seed catalog. It's too late to plant them, so I have to grow them indoors till spring.
I have retired the other two units until somebody is ready for flower. I will be REALLY PISSED if I don't see a substantial drop in my electric bill next month!
One of my 1/2 gallon juvenile plants is already rooting out the holes. I will have to put her into a 3 gallon tomorrow. Still enough room in the large unit for a 3 gal trash bin or two.
The two auto fems have BIG leaves! I expect good things out of them. Pics tomorrow after the transplant and some more creative re-arranging. Something great is happening under those Mars 300 LEDS!
I have retired the other two units until somebody is ready for flower. I will be REALLY PISSED if I don't see a substantial drop in my electric bill next month!
One of my 1/2 gallon juvenile plants is already rooting out the holes. I will have to put her into a 3 gallon tomorrow. Still enough room in the large unit for a 3 gal trash bin or two.
The two auto fems have BIG leaves! I expect good things out of them. Pics tomorrow after the transplant and some more creative re-arranging. Something great is happening under those Mars 300 LEDS!
The only time my electric bill gets anywhere close to 300 is in winter when it drops to 350 a month.Aren't those F Ing surcharges a joke? We get the same crap here from our co-op electric company, always raising the rates. Pretty soon only the board members will be left up here and they can raise the rates until they have no pay check, A holes. We live in a small log cabin and it's pretty normal to have 300 plus dollar electric bills, and like you I'm sure a portion of it is from the grow area but holly shit, not like our pay check goes up to help off set the utility rate hikes FFS.
Blessed Buds our friend, we will keep you posted on the "kit"
So much to learn....so many journals to follow
Arctic Bowl
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I'd be buying solar panels 
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AKgramma
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This evening I re-arranged the plants again, since I up-potted a mystery plant. As I settled the last juvenile in place, I spotted a bright green pod hanging on a red stalk! Then I inspected each one, and found another with an open male flower! I only found the two, and so cut them and dumped their soil into the 5 gallon soil pot. I added them to my leaf bin for use as herbs in my cooking.
The first one is the pod, right out in the open.
The second open flower was hidden about halfway down, hidden by a couple of fan leaves.
Luckily I have no flowering ladies. All are in a juvenile stage of veg. There are a couple juveniles who have started growing alternate leaves, so I will give them a gender inspection every day till I am sure they are not male.
Now I have room for another up-potted juvenile! Oh, and the thread you see in pic 1 is a hair from my longhair Siamese cat. They are everywhere!
The first one is the pod, right out in the open.
The second open flower was hidden about halfway down, hidden by a couple of fan leaves.
Luckily I have no flowering ladies. All are in a juvenile stage of veg. There are a couple juveniles who have started growing alternate leaves, so I will give them a gender inspection every day till I am sure they are not male.
Now I have room for another up-potted juvenile! Oh, and the thread you see in pic 1 is a hair from my longhair Siamese cat. They are everywhere!