AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal - Ebb&Flow - Bubblelicious 2013

[shaft09]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

That was tea remnants. When pouring it in, I got distracted by my dog and poured the bottom sediment in too. lol And yes, that's what's left of the roots. They are still growing though. And no slime!!! That's a 260x from a former sponsor, the one that Endive (sp) used. Wish I had a bigger one or two. If I knew about Top LED then, I could have got two for almost the same price. Next time. Tent is 36x36x84. I need to move the exhaust fan to the rear of the tent again to get better light soak. I also have two small computer fans blowing air in.

Cultivator has got some nice stuff going on there. I checked out his journal, very nice! Next grow will use 2 5 gal buckets and maybe move the res outside the tent for more room and better temps, as they always seem cooler and easier to fill, drain, and clean. Just my wife and I, so no kids to worry about. 11x12 useable space in that room, just need to put a bolt lock on the door.

 

[s1ingblade]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

can you find some parts to make an aerocloner? if not and you have an extra waterpump you might be able to get the stuff including the tote for around 25 bucks? unless you can find a 150 dollar bill and get a turbo. i think you could make a great one yourself from the looks of things. keep up the good work AG!

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

I already got it setup up in my mind Sling! I'm going to use a five gallon bucket with a lid, just enough room for 4 sites. All I need to get is the water pump and about a dozen misters. I already have the PVC and the T-Joint. Oh and I almost forgot, I might as well pick up some 3in net pots with some pucks to go along with it I think I'' be building this sooner than expected!

On another note, Bubb A has finally shown first signs of preflowering. In my opinion this looks to me as the formation of female calyx's. You be the judge. The first two pics are from the very top of the plant where it was topped and the last two pics were from the one node below the previous one.

 

[SWvoodoo]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

that top pic looks a little ballish?? you should see hairs before the actual calyxes in my experience. do you have a top down pic of the leading tip?

 

[stealthgrow]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

that top pic looks a little ballish?? you should see hairs before the actual calyxes in my experience. do you have a top down pic of the leading tip?

Yes, you are right in sense Voodoo. It does look like a 'ball about to be on a stick', but I have also had female plants show this same exact growth during veg and never showed its pistils until I induced flowering! The only thing that will tell me that this is, in fact male genitalia is when I start seeing clusters of these 'balls' form at a single node point. For now it is STILL too early to tell

How's it going Stealth! Your ladies were looking great last time I stopped by

 

[WildRosebud]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

First time I work with solid Kush genetics n shes poppin ballsy lookin pistils... Confuses the hell out of me cus I am used to balls being balls and as the fella before mentioned it is what we are use too seeing on males. But I digress I think I am wrong and I really hope I am!
We are in same boat atm lol.... My low region Afghani preflowered hairs pop out before pistil was visible then I work with these more solid indicas and they pop out different it is neat I get to see new types of growth on new to me plants haha

Lookin mint AG! 'FIST PUMP

 

[Cultivator]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

wen u aeroclone start with plain water and dont ph. it doesnt matter as there are no roots to uptake nutrients. ph down is very toxic to small cuttings and seedlings also.

I have a living res filled with beneficials and enzymes and i only change it once every 6 months or so. the beneficials make the roots explode as soon as they start to show but its still low ppm so doesnt damage or burn plants. but thats something for u to try later.

Trust me when i say this, if u are interested in cloning, absolutely go down the aeroclone route. i never have a cutting fail. its so simple its stupid, it makes u feel like u should be doing something lol.

 

[SWvoodoo]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Ok I'm watching and learning. I currently have a random seed that's showing hairs and bally lookin things I presumed it to be hermie, maybe ill watch it a little longer.

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Cultivator, thanks you for some insight in the basics of aerocloning. I've been doing my research since you mentioned it the other day, and I am confident in its success rate as you have further pointed out! Do you use Heisenburg's Tea recipe for your bennies, or a custom mix? I should be pulling a SIMPLE DIY for a small 4 site aerocloner within the next few weeks

I'll be keeping an out for any developments Voodoo, in the meantime do you mind posting a picture of your plants genitalia and strain on here. Just as a reference for others and my self. Thanks!

>>>First time I work with solid Kush genetics n shes poppin ballsy lookin pistils... Confuses the hell out of me cus I am used to balls being balls and as the fella before mentioned it is what we are use too seeing on males. But I digress I think I am wrong and I really hope I am!
We are in same boat atm lol.... My low region Afghani preflowered hairs pop out before pistil was visible then I work with these more solid indicas and they pop out different it is neat I get to see new types of growth on new to me plants haha

Lookin mint AG! 'FIST PUMP

I know what you mean Wild, it sometimes gets so frustrating at times for me. Especially when I run minimal plants and have to wait to find out if I am just wasting nutes on a male or not. BUT I have learned patience for matters such as these

 

[SWvoodoo]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

No worries AG I have a small selection of young seedlings from random bagseed I put to flower just to determine sex and get an idea of their genetics. They are showing numerous different traits genetically and sexually. Unfortunately strains are unknown. Seed banks are unavailable in my area so this is the best way I can think of getting some new stock. I will try to get some pics tonight and post them up here for your reference.

 

[Skybound]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Lookin forward to that Aerocloner DIY, definitely something skybound will follow suit in.

 

[alex801]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

that top pic looks a little ballish?? you should see hairs before the actual calyxes in my experience. do you have a top down pic of the leading tip?

Not that uncommon to have a swolen calyx before hairs emerge... I myself have had this....the following piks are not my own but iv had similar and not been germ or male. Swolen calyx then come a hair

 

[Cultivator]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

just build a simple system with a maxijet 1000 pump (actually hang with me here cos i dont live in states, so prob diff brands and fittings.) and some 1/2" pipe work then fit a few spray nozzles. depends how big u want to clone. i have a smaller 36 site cloner that i rarely if ever use so i'll take pic of that set up and u can just mimic it and adapt how u like. Dont mess with enzymes just yet, do a few runs with just water so u can see the results, which are great. once u have seen that then u can start messing with a living res. that way u can compare and see what is better for u.

But here is the best part, once u've seen that aerocloner go, u will start asking urself all sorts of questions about the simplicity of hydro. Then u will switch to DWC or RDWC and the world is a brighter place hahahaha.

 

[Cultivator]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

i dont want to hijack ur thread with pics (please delete if u dont want them on here) but just to show u what can be done, i took this pic today. this was 20 days from taking the cut.

i will def get a pic of my smaller cloner but there are loads of diys on here for u to mimic.

That is a 105 site cloner by the way. i currently run 5 constantly. big business cuttings, especially of right strains. but i dont need to tell u that.

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

just build a simple system with a maxijet 1000 pump (actually hang with me here cos i dont live in states, so prob diff brands and fittings.) and some 1/2" pipe work then fit a few spray nozzles. depends how big u want to clone. i have a smaller 36 site cloner that i rarely if ever use so i'll take pic of that set up and u can just mimic it and adapt how u like. Dont mess with enzymes just yet, do a few runs with just water so u can see the results, which are great. once u have seen that then u can start messing with a living res. that way u can compare and see what is better for u.

But here is the best part, once u've seen that aerocloner go, u will start asking urself all sorts of questions about the simplicity of hydro. Then u will switch to DWC or RDWC and the world is a brighter place hahahaha.

Ha you consider 36 a 'smaller' cloner! That's why I still continue to grow, because until I can get to a level where I have the ability to grow 30+ plants at a time of different strains, all conducting and undergoing individual experimentation, I will ALWAYS strive for that goal, but for now I would only need a 'smaller' 4 site cloner, maybe with just a 5 gallon container or even a 'Skygrower' inspired 3gal tote design, incorperating one of these 12v submersible pumps.

12v water pump-$12

I'm pretty sure they are about 1/2" fittings so I just need to find a good dozen mister nozzles. But I really am looking for a good quality set of nozzles, something that won't get clogged up for future use of tea!

As for completely switching over to a RDWC setup or similar, I don't think I will ever burden myself with the hassle of MORE plumbing than I already have here. This journal is mainly focusing on the potential of a flood and drain system with rockwool based medium, as I have never used a hydroponic system before this one,l I figured I would test the positive claims I have read so much about, but has received very little attention considering the wealth of information there is on this type of growing. My goals for this journal, if unclear before, are to test this SIMPLE form of hydroponics, test the theory of 'vegetative growth time VS. yield', and to potentially get 10oz+ out of this grow. And doing so using what I already have gained in the past years of growing and applying all these 'new' techniques that are out there! Hopefully my future journals will be flat out experiments with different training techniques and flushing methods. But for now I need to establish a the best (fastest with the least maintenance) medium for hydroponics before applying other peoples techniques in the hope to find a 'Frankenstein' grow method of sorts

30/09/13

Alright, time for an update everyone. This is sort of going to be a picture drop because I felt obliged to give a thorough update of what's going on in the grow tent I have done quite a few things since a couple of days ago, especially with the bagseed seedling!. These little ladies might mean more to me than I once thought! First I gift you with pictures of the preflowers of both Bubb plants, and one is making me think I may be replacing it with a bagseed quite soon!

Bubb A Preflowers; where I topped main growth

Bubb A Preflowers; uppermost node growth

Bubb B Preflowers; uppermost node growth

As I have almost concluded that Bubb A might in fact be leaning more on the male side, I really want to give 'her' a few more days (weeks) to show 'her' true colors! I have more of a confirmation of female calyx's on Bubb B, however! I believe that this lady WILL actually turn out to be a lady! So one of these bagseed may have to replace Bubb A, depending on how things go. I will try and go with tricking a single branch into flowering on Bubb A starting tonight with the use of an opaque bag tied over one branch.

Now for the the experiment I left with on here last time I posted. To refresh your memory, I was suggested not to start training my plants at this stage due to lower branches tendancy to stretch more when shaded from direct light. As for now the test is inconclusive since Bubb A, the canindate I chose not to train in order to see if it could catch up in lower growth with an alraedy bushy Bubb B. Since Bubb A may be a male, it could contribute to why it is not as bushy as Bubb B, which is more than likely a female.

Bubb A- LEFT; Bubb B-RIGHT

As you can see Bubb B is still is showing signs of more rapid lower growth, but keep in mind it may only be competing with a male! I untied a couple of fan leaves and focused most of the training on upper branches and getting them lower and more equal with lower growth. In the picture below (Bubb B on the right) the RED and PINK indicate top most growth that has been pulled down and the BLUEs represent the lower nodal branches that are going to grow up and out of the canopy.

As for the bagseed, I transplanted the 3 most healthy of the 4 into 1 pint clay pots, only slightly bigger than their mountain dew can counterparts. I then transplanted the weakest looking of the 4 into a 1/2 gal pot. I decided to preform a mini test on how quickly root bounded seedlings slow in growth. These results can give me the most optimal time to transplant in order to smoothly transition grow time.

3 Healthy Seedlings; the last shot really took me away

The weakest of the 4 bagseed

 

[AfricanGrower]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

TO MY Subscribers:

Please leave your opinions on the sex of both Bubb plants. I like to get everyone's input and experienced based perspectives on this. Maybe even get a vote tally going, Ha ha Yea!

 

[danklover79]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

I concur with with your conclusion AG, Bubb A looks like balls, and with B I'm not sure, though I don't see evidence of male parts.

 

[SWvoodoo]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Sorry to hear bout your male AG I hope I didn't curse them. My theory on bubb A came back to the shape of calyx/balls the calyx should be a tear drop shape and generally a hair is visible as the calyx develops. Just my 2c. Sorry no matter howItry I can't get a good shot of my bubba that are just starting to show. Basically males show a ball within the tips new grwth ,maphs have this ball shaped tip also but show hairs protruding aswell. The females tip doesn't change shape but develops hairs from the tip. I'm sorry if this is obvious noob stuff just throwing my bit in for those watching on

 

[SWvoodoo]

Re: AfricanGrower's 1st Hydro Journal-Ebb&Flow/Bubblelicious 2013

Oh I agree too bubb b looks a lot more fem tear drop shape no stalk on the "calyx". No little micro hair yet tho .