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Great information... Thanks for taking your time to post this for us all to read and learn from. Thanks again.
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So there is a company, Kelp4less, with comparable quality stuff to Advanced Nutrients, and they have seriously awesome prices and free shipping anywhere in the states. The guys over there will work with you to form a nutrient schedule (I love that), and they have suuuuuch good quality. They have packs, too, separated into grow and bloom packs, and early-, mid- and late- bloom packs.
For those that don't know, a "poison" or "gimmick" is any growing method you don't personally approve of, for any reason.
Don't like the shape of the bottle? It's a gimmick.
Your plants got burned? It's poison.
Whatever you do, make absolutely certain to completely disregard any opinion that disagrees with yours, especially if it is backed up with results that directly prove you wrong. You can't be wrong. You grow awesome plants the only possible way to grow them. Everyone else that claims to grow using different nutrients, techniques, or what have you - they're clearly only copying your methods secretly and claiming to be using other products.
Do you know what you are putting in your plants? Must be good shit if the shape of the bottle is cool or has a bad ass logo on it?
I grow for patients who have enough issues without me adding some extra heavy metals or paclobutrazol to their diet. Maybe you should research what you are using instead of instigating me for pointing out facts? Thats my point, thanks.
Of course most merc growers dont give two shits what they give their customers.
After compiling the above products and developing each feeding schedule I used the above additives within each 12 plant per schedule set-up. As an example, a consistent, predetermined amount of Hygrozyme was added to 1 plant in each cycle - in the Advanced Nutrient case I removed the use of Sensizyme. This gave me results even among the 2 enzyme formulas in that test. 1 plant was also giving Cal/Mag +, 1 Safergro Calcium and so on. This gave me an immense amount of feedback but also resulted in many "head to head" additive comparisons. I could not only determine nutrient/ingredient effectiveness but additives turned out to be the most apparent differences in the test. Above all else I felt my conclusions would lead to a better understanding through recordable growth of not only which nutes but which ingredients resulted in more vigorous growth per what stage the plant was in. Generally speaking, I have a relatively non-scientific approach to growing, although I'm an avid researcher and meticulous when it comes to recording results my priorities tend to be instinctively straight forward in reference to what things I decided to monitor and record. Much of my data is based on actual numbers, however, I also had a number of items I recording on a opinion based numerical rating - basically 1 through 10 - 10 being the best. These numbers would be averaged out in the final stages to determine some overall conclusions. More importantly, they were also studied to specifically determine what grew the best plants in which stage. In addition to numbers I also included any pertinent notes in my weekly observations. The following measurements and ratings were taken every 4 to 5 days through-out the plants life.
Measurements:
Main stock circumference
Overall width
Plant overall weight (prior to feeding/watering)
Weight in lost foliage (if any)
Tallest major bud site
Shortest major bud site (this would help in determining growth consistency)
Weight in clippings and fan leaves at harvest
Weight in final product
Ratings:
Resin production
Crystallization
Color and/or bud color
Over-all structure (remained the same through-out)
Vigor
Bud odor
Deficiencies
Toxicities
Root structure rating
Aesthetics of final product
Taste of final product
Smoke rating
Price per gram produced
Each nute program was broken into an 80 day cycle resulting in roughly 5 to 6 "vegetative" applications and 8 to 9 "flowering" applications. The results are not easy as simply spitting out numbers. This entire process was designed to create the best compiled nute program through analyzing the ingredient effectiveness at specific growth stages. As my schedules were similar in overall nutrient intensity I expected similar eventual results and that's exactly what they did. Remember it's important to develop a sense of the total nutes applied per cycle and how you choose to give these nute's to the plant. Taking pieces from each schedule and plugging them into the growth stage that they excelled at will lead to over fertilization and throw the nute "curve" off. As complicated as this process was, I new deciding on a basic and effective cycle was the ultimate goal.
Before reading the observations it's important to understand some general organic microbial life. Microbes make up the majority of soil life in nature. Bacteria, fungus, nematodes, algie and many other micro organisms live in soil. In these tests I was primarily concerned with Bacteria and fungus. Bacteria are usually single celled creatures that prefer generally higher pH environments. There are literally billions and billions of them, some thrive in low oxygen soil (anaerobic) and others need air to properly thrive (aerobic). Bacteria need water to live producing a slime of sorts around them that binds the substrate together and preserves some moisture required for it's survival. They are extremely good at decomposing organic matter by producing enzymes that break down nutrients. The enzymatically digested nutrients are then absorbed back into the bacteria. Fungus is similar in that it also uses enzymes to decompose matter but has some unique characteristics. First, it produces Chitin. This is the same biological substance used in crab and various sea shells and the exoskeletons of many insects. Chitin gives fungus stiffer and a more resistant cellular make-up than bacteria. These fungus cells combine into chains and have passageways between them. This allows fungus to transport fluids from one end of it's chain to the other. I'm sure many of you have heard of Mycorrhizal fungi for example, which encircles and sometimes attaches to root systems searching for food and water on it's own by expanding beyond the plants regular capacity, then transports the nutrients back to the roots. Root's will exchange these nutrients for carbohydrate rich fluids called Exudate's. These exudate's are imperative to producing chitin. The important feature here is that the plant chooses when to exchange the nutrients hence giving a healthy plant more natural control over it's own growth. It also means that this fungus will become an extension of root systems leading to more efficient nutrient absorption. When fungus and bacteria absorb a nutrient, that nutrient becomes locked inside them. They don't release this nutrient until exudate exchange or death. This means nutrients have more of a lasting and natural effect creating a humus rich, nutrient available medium. There are books based on this subject so I won't get to deep into it, but I feel promoting a strong microbial life in organic applications is my primary priority. I'll frequently refer to this microbial life, explaining it further. Plants are not totally depended on these methods of nutrient absorption. They can produce they're own enzymes also, just not nearly as efficiently.
I also think understanding " Brix " content can have benefits in comparative tests. Brix is a measure of a combination of various amino acids, oils, proteins, flavonoids, minerals and primarily sugars/carbohydrates within a plant's tissue. Many vineyards and fruit farmers use Brix levels to determine flavor and nutrition values in grapes and fruit. Brix levels can expose some important features in regards to marijuana. It is a great way to monitor your plants health measured using a refractometer. Much in the same way light beams change direction under water a refractometer measures the change in light direction sent through a sample of extracted fluid from the plant. The larger the direction change, the higher the Brix. Basically, as nutrient absorption occurs (specifically carbs and sugars), measured Brix levels rise. If the appropriate ingredient is poorly absorbed Brix levels will remain the same or lower. With that theory in mind we can better determine how well different nutrients react with Marijuana. Interestingly, organic mediums and organic solubles produce much larger Brix numbers. Plants with high Brix numbers are healthy, more pest resistant and full of nutritional value. Essentially the healthier plant is naturally more resistant to pathogens such as insect infestation. Plant eating insects lack the internal organs to properly digest certain sugars (specifically a liver). Undigested sugars will eventually ferment into alcohol killing the insect or disrupting it's digestive system. High Brix typically implies high sugar content hence are generally more unattractive to these bugs. Weak, infested or diseased plants always have lower Brix numbers. High Brix will improve taste, resin production, odor and potency. I feel it's an underestimated value in regards to plant management. If your interested look into Dr. Reams.
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First off, thank you ledtester for collecting this enormous amount of data and compiling it in a very easy to understand way. You are the man!!
I have been fed up with Fox farm and this information has confirmed what I already feared. I have been using fox farm's FULL product line for 2 grows. They do great in veg but 2 weeks into flower they end up yellowing and then curling and turning brown, losing lots of leaves.
This latest cycle, I flushed with sledgehammer on first day of flower. The plants looked like they were dying within a week, and I'm still recovering 3 weeks later. I contacted Fox Farm and they told me they have no interest in helping someone grow illegal substances. Even though I'm a medical marijuana patient, they said "It's still illegal according to federal law".
OK. Whatever, I get it. But still,
I had to stop all nutes for 2 weeks, and then flush with regular old water. Only then did my ladies improve.
Anyways, after reading all of this info, I went and ordered Earth Juice's line, along with the extras you use. I can't wait to try them!!
I noticed EJ has a new "Sweet and heavy" line out now, has anyone tried it? I also didn't see any molasses in your write up. I bought some EJ High Brix Molasses with my order, and was wondering if anyone uses that too?
Anyways, thanks again and major props to you, ledtester!!!
First off, thank you ledtester for collecting this enormous amount of data and compiling it in a very easy to understand way. You are the man!!
I have been fed up with Fox farm and this information has confirmed what I already feared. I have been using fox farm's FULL product line for 2 grows. They do great in veg but 2 weeks into flower they end up yellowing and then curling and turning brown, losing lots of leaves.
This latest cycle, I flushed with sledgehammer on first day of flower. The plants looked like they were dying within a week, and I'm still recovering 3 weeks later. I contacted Fox Farm and they told me they have no interest in helping someone grow illegal substances. Even though I'm a medical marijuana patient, they said "It's still illegal according to federal law".
OK. Whatever, I get it. But still,
I had to stop all nutes for 2 weeks, and then flush with regular old water. Only then did my ladies improve.
Anyways, after reading all of this info, I went and ordered Earth Juice's line, along with the extras you use. I can't wait to try them!!
I noticed EJ has a new "Sweet and heavy" line out now, has anyone tried it? I also didn't see any molasses in your write up. I bought some EJ High Brix Molasses with my order, and was wondering if anyone uses that too?
Anyways, thanks again and major props to you, ledtester!!!