A Mar-sian Darkness Falls In Otterville

CraZysWeeD said:
I'm in to it as well. I buy most of my meat from an eko farmer and try getting as much wild life meat as I can around here. There is alot of things that needs to be changed in ways we cant even imagine yet if we are suppose to get more and more with less resources...
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That's the thing. More for less. It might be realistic, I hope so.
 
stoneotter said:
Thanks Sarah! I think I've grown 4 rounds of autos in the past and without doubt these buds are the most developed at this stage of life. Awesome Light!!! The reflective interior of the tent is impressive too!
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Glad you love it. :Rasta: :Rasta: :Rasta:
 
Ok, I bubbled some Dolomite Lime through the night and gave the girl in question a top water dress with it with about 2 cups. I refilled the gallon and have it bubbling for the big day when the full watering comes tomorrow or the next. My ph out of the barrell is 7.3. Today after the bubble it was 7.1. A slight change I think. I was used to running 6.5 in Michigan Mix. I think the ph can be ok going down a bit so I put another TBSP of dolomite in the jug and will take the ph before I feed with it.
This stuff is rough ground rock so it's slow to give up the magic. My test amount is about 4 tablespoons in 1 gallon of ro.
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Dolomite Limestone
 
Highya SO,

Busy place around these parts! Good for you! And good on you for bringing up Korean Natural Farming. That's what I did this year (mostly), and had a stella harvest. That, and AACT.
I don't know how much Dolomite will have. Hope it does the trick. I use calcium carbonate. It's the form plants can use immediately. As a side note, lime will increase the ph. Vinegar or lemon juice will lower it.They say 6.3 is ideal for organics, but there's a range where the nutrients are available. I'm not anal about checking ph. Cheers
 
Bode said:
Highya SO,

Busy place around these parts! Good for you! And good on you for bringing up Korean Natural Farming. That's what I did this year (mostly), and had a stella harvest. That, and AACT.
I don't know how much Dolomite will have. Hope it does the trick. I use calcium carbonate. It's the form plants can use immediately. As a side note, lime will increase the ph. Vinegar or lemon juice will lower it.They say 6.3 is ideal for organics, but there's a range where the nutrients are available. I'm not anal about checking ph. Cheers
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The author of the book I got the soil recipe from calls for dolomite specifically. I don't know why. That's why I tried it first. I also don't understand the relationship between ph and alkalinity. I'm not all sure which I'm trying to change the most. Maybe @InTheShed has a simple small splanation of relationship?...again.
Calcium Carbonate is next if this fails. Would you mix some in a gallon of water until it's 6.3 ish ph? That's baking soda right?
 
Dolomite lime has a Ca:Mg ratio of about 2:1. In DB's soil, ideal ratio is closer to 10:1 which to me suggests that 2:1 has a LOT of magnesium. This may be a good thing, or a bad thing, IDK, it depends on all of the other factors, but keep your eyes peeled for calcium deficiency. If you see any, I immediately suspect a cation imbalance. I'm not trying to imply that the cats balance is at all super precise, but in my own play set, I definitely found out that there is a threshold where too much Mag, Potassium or Ammoniacal N will upset the uptake of Cal. Cal is a super fussy element.

Cal Carbonate is just calcium with no Mag. If you don't want to influence PH the way CalCarb does, use water soluble gypsum which is calcium and sulfur. Increased sulfur will make your nugs more stinky and the smoke more sweet. Gypsum is soluble to about 3.5 grams per liter I think which is vastly more than would be needed in feed or a tea. FYI, Calcium Nitrate is the best source of calcium and is immediately available. Because it is bonded to nitrate which is needed for calcium uptake further makes CalNite the best source to use in water. I never brewed any tea with elements, but I've put some calnite in my foliar sprays and plants seem to like that too.
 
Skybound said:
Dolomite lime has a Ca:Mg ratio of about 2:1. In DB's soil, ideal ratio is closer to 10:1 which to me suggests that 2:1 has a LOT of magnesium. This may be a good thing, or a bad thing, IDK, it depends on all of the other factors, but keep your eyes peeled for calcium deficiency. If you see any, I immediately suspect a cation imbalance. I'm not trying to imply that the cats balance is at all super precise, but in my own play set, I definitely found out that there is a threshold where too much Mag, Potassium or Ammoniacal N will upset the uptake of Cal. Cal is a super fussy element.

Cal Carbonate is just calcium with no Mag. If you don't want to influence PH the way CalCarb does, use water soluble gypsum which is calcium and sulfur. Increased sulfur will make your nugs more stinky and the smoke more sweet. Gypsum is soluble to about 3.5 grams per liter I think which is vastly more than would be needed in feed or a tea. FYI, Calcium Nitrate is the best source of calcium and is immediately available. Because it is bonded to nitrate which is needed for calcium uptake further makes CalNite the best source to use in water. I never brewed any tea with elements, but I've put some calnite in my foliar sprays and plants seem to like that too.
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This is good hard information that I hope to not need at this time Sky. These relationships are key, thanks. The clawing is getting slightly worse and the other 3 dda's are doing fine in the same soil. Go figure.
 
stoneotter said:
Maybe @InTheShed has a simple small splanation of relationship?...again.
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I can't tell you anything that I didn't put in the first post in my pH thread. Which is to say that "the higher the alkalinity of water, the greater tendency to raise pH of growing medium over time." Not the pH of the nutrient water, the alkalinity (or dissolved limestone).
 
PH is a measure of hydrogen ions in a substance. Higher concentration (more ions/liter) makes an alkaline substance. Lower concentration = more acidic. Quite simple, actually. Alkalinity means a high concentration of hydrogen ions/liter. Cheers
 
InTheShed said:
I can't tell you anything that I didn't put in the first post in my pH thread. Which is to say that "the higher the alkalinity of water, the greater tendency to raise pH of growing medium over time." Not the pH of the nutrient water, the alkalinity (or dissolved limestone).
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Thanks Shed, this is one thing I get a feeling that my head is solid dolomite. I don't understand the definitions of terms enough to ask more now. Starting with - alkaline and what it means in life. It's simple and I'm blocking the aha moment of understanding. I'll be back. I have some grinding to do there.:thumb: I don't want to get off track of just plain watering the one odd plant with the clawing leaves with some sweet water to see what happens. I'm mostly wondering how folks get it done.
 
The only folks I need to get it done are the folks that manufacture ProMix :).
 
Hi, it's a fine day here in the tent. The splash of sweet water this morning isn't showing us any improvement only 8 hours ago. She's still stretching and making bud! I don't expect anything until after a full watering in 24 to 48 hours. The others are getting some lst to open them up. They're starting to become real plants.
 
Whew, calcium carbonate is ground limestone. I don't have to learn any more new things today. I have a bag of that too. I loaded for bear.
 
Oh btw, #DDAgoals.
 
stoneotter said:
Whew, calcium carbonate is ground limestone. I don't have to learn any more new things today. I have a bag of that too. I loaded for bear.
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I hate that soil amendments have so many different names. Like why is limestone just calcium carbonate, yet dolomite lime is half magnesium? Makes me wonder if lime and limestone are the same or not?

Another naming convention I hate is why they refer to alkaline as Base? Base makes me think of the bottom, yet basic PH is the range between 7.0 - 14.0. IMO, it should just be acid and alkaline.

I guess we as a species have some more evolving to do.
 
Skybound said:
I hate that soil amendments have so many different names. Like why is limestone just calcium carbonate, yet dolomite lime is half magnesium? Makes me wonder if lime and limestone are the same or not?

Another naming convention I hate is why they refer to alkaline as Base? Base makes me think of the bottom, yet basic PH is the range between 7.0 - 14.0. IMO, it should just be acid and alkaline.

I guess we as a species have some more evolving to do.
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It would have killed me if I bought the bag from amazon then found out I already had some. That almost happened.
 
Like those DDAs!
 
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