A Base Treatment Regimen For Cancer

..this caught my eye - I may have mouth cancer. Won't know until April sometime as that's when I get in for exam. But you can bet your ASS I'm going Cannabis route! Fuck chemo and radiation!

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SweetSue said:
Concerning competitive inhibition - and I welcome input here - we never pinned this down in a way I found satisfactory. My personal feeling is that as long as you're actively treating an aggressive tumor growth you need it all the time. The apigenin and amentoflavone are cancer-fighters in their own right.

It's once you've established the upper hand and the labs come back clean. How does one adjust the supplements? Cajun's mentioned something about one week out of the month or every couple months, but that's about as deep as we ever got on this subject. With everything there's a chance of overkill. I'd like to avoid that here.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?
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I recall cajun talking about supplements to clean receptors once or twice a month but not for competitive inhibition.

Do you mean using CCO intermittently as well?

I've starting thinking about what sort of maintenance regimen I'll need after my next scan is clear. Not finding any clear answers.
 
elronx said:
can you give cannabis oil to a leukemia cancer patient whilst hospitalized on chemo?
my gf was diagnosed with leukemia. she is currently hospitalized during chemo for 2 weeks and we are yet to aquire medical weed, now i got her a high quality cannabis oil of two bottles, one is 10thc/2cbd and the other 15cbd/4 thc now we asked a website that supplied similar bottles if its good being give to a leukemia patient and they said its not advised, the doctor at the hospitable said we are waiting for bureaucratic crap till we get it so basically if we had it now we could give it to her
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Are you using cannabis to help treat leukemia or to treat side effects of chemo?

I can't speak directly to chemo for leukemia, but two of my oncologists said it does not interfere with action of chemotherapy drugs I was given. (cisplatin and docytaxel plus cetuximab) Cannabinoids use a different mechanism than chemo drugs to induce apoptosis. One oncologist discussed it at length and said if anything it may complement treatment (if it did anything, but she didn't think it would), and would at least lessen side effects.

Leukemia is very different than my type of cancer, but I don't see a reason not to start treating with cannabis while we research this further.
 
KingstonRabbi said:
I recall cajun talking about supplements to clean receptors once or twice a month but not for competitive inhibition.

Do you mean using CCO intermittently as well?

I've starting thinking about what sort of maintenance regimen I'll need after my next scan is clear. Not finding any clear answers.
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I was thinking of the competitive inhibition choices and how often that would need to be done once the cancer is controlled.

I'll look through my class notes. I seem to recall Mara talking about a maintenance dose for cancer, but it was back when she did the GF class on treating children with cancer. If you subscribe you'll have access to all of those classes. Another of those questions for that Master class. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Amy Madragana said:
..this caught my eye - I may have mouth cancer. Won't know until April sometime as that's when I get in for exam. But you can bet your ASS I'm going Cannabis route! Fuck chemo and radiation!

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Are you planning on waiting for the diagnosis or starting a regimine now?
 
elronx said:
can you give cannabis oil to a leukemia cancer patient whilst hospitalized on chemo?
my gf was diagnosed with leukemia. she is currently hospitalized during chemo for 2 weeks and we are yet to aquire medical weed, now i got her a high quality cannabis oil of two bottles, one is 10thc/2cbd and the other 15cbd/4 thc now we asked a website that supplied similar bottles if its good being give to a leukemia patient and they said its not advised, the doctor at the hospitable said we are waiting for bureaucratic crap till we get it so basically if we had it now we could give it to her
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Ignore them and start her as soon as you're able. Any cannabinoids you can get into her will counter the side effects of the chemo. It's sad and frustrating how uninformed our medical professionals are about cannabinoid therapies. There should be no interference with the chemo drugs, although it never hurts to double check for contraindications. I've not come across any yet other than the cautions about different types of breast cancers.
 
I've been hesitant to respond, until I have all inquiries lined up. I think I'm ready.

Suppositories vs oral ingestion: I'm gonna guess the former would have some benefit?

Ratios: 20:1 Is the recommended starting dose. I recall CajunCelt advising someone to start with 50:1 (I don't remember what for....sorry) Knowing my mother and her uneasy feeling on cannabis, I am leaning toward starting out with a lower ratio than 20:1. Maybe 40:1 for a few days to see how it go's . Any input here would be great.

My mother is currently uninsured from a soon to be divorce...yadayadayada. We don't know for sure cancer has metastasized. Her throat has been bothering her lately and she's got a gut feeling it's back.
I want her to dose, as though, in fact, it has metastasized. Is this an appropriate approach?

Apigenin and amentoflavone: I'm unclear on the concesus here. I would rather start slow, I think. She lives with and takes care of my 84 yr old grandfather and has a lot on her plate. Is it necessary, atm?

List of things to order:
00 gelatin capsules.
Sunflower lecithen
Syringes

Future order...?
Apigenin
Amentoflavone

If anyone has experience with specific brands that have worked or not worked well...Im asking a lot. Thank you thank you thank you

Edit: I have some good EVOO for a carrier.
 
Yeatster said:
I've been hesitant to respond, until I have all inquiries lined up. I think I'm ready.

Suppositories vs oral ingestion: I'm gonna guess the former would have some benefit?

Ratios: 20:1 Is the recommended starting dose. I recall CajunCelt advising someone to start with 50:1 (I don't remember what for....sorry) Knowing my mother and her uneasy feeling on cannabis, I am leaning toward starting out with a lower ratio than 20:1. Maybe 40:1 for a few days to see how it go's . Any input here would be great.

My mother is currently uninsured from a soon to be divorce...yadayadayada. We don't know for sure cancer has metastasized. Her throat has been bothering her lately and she's got a gut feeling it's back.
I want her to dose, as though, in fact, it has metastasized. Is this an appropriate approach?

Apigenin and amentoflavone: I'm unclear on the concesus here. I would rather start slow, I think. She lives with and takes care of my 84 yr old grandfather and has a lot on her plate. Is it necessary, atm?

List of things to order:
00 gelatin capsules.
Sunflower lecithen
Syringes

Future order...?
Apigenin
Amentoflavone

If anyone has experience with specific brands that have worked or not worked well...Im asking a lot. Thank you thank you thank you

Edit: I have some good EVOO for a carrier.
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As a small answer before your rel answer, apigenin and Amentoflavone are for oral delivery.

Based on rhe Hypocratic principle of "First do no harm," because the oil you made is mostly THC, the main things you are trying to avoid are your mother feeling too high (too euphoric, too stoned) and your mother feeling paranoid. The 'too high' issue happens when the liver modifies THC to a more potent cannabinoid (for getting high.) Oral delivery can go straight to the liver, so starting with a suppository makes sense.

Starting with a suppository, the risk of getting high goes up if you jam it too far in there - then more THC passes through the liver. Just far enough will avoid getting high - even at rather large doses.

My guess is both 40:1 and 20:1 will do a good job of testing for sensitivity or undesired side effects - your choice. Increase dosage once the patient feels a comfort level with the treatment.


As far as feeling paranoid from cannabis - one thing that seems to work well is to get a pepper grinder and twist it under the nose. The idea iis NOT to snort or inhale the pepper, just to experience the aroma of fresh ground pepper. 2-3 twists may be enough. 2 twists every 30 seconds for 10 minutes may be what it takes, some people may not respond at all, but the twisting of a pepper grinder under the nose seems to work really well to combat cannabis induced paranoia.


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Please be aware that I am not a treatment professional and don't pretend to be - I am just passing on what I have read on the internet from reliable sources, many here on 420 magazine.

Personally, I'd start the soppositories when you are ready. You don't want you mother to freak out - but you don't want to over analyze and never take the next step either.

Cannabis is one of the safest plants on the planet. Cannabinoids in cannabis are very similar to the anandamine cannabinoid manufactured in our bodies when we feel hugged and happy. Anandamine literally means a "free nitrohgen style" bliss chemical. Sounds pretty good to me :)



p.s. EVOO is a new one to me- Extra Virgin Olive Oil ?
 
Yeatster said:
I've been hesitant to respond, until I have all inquiries lined up. I think I'm ready.

Suppositories vs oral ingestion: I'm gonna guess the former would have some benefit?

You can get a greater cannabinoid load into the suppository than a patient can typically tolerate with an edible administration. Properly inserted you can avoid intense euphoria altogether. Using olive oil with the edibles can bypass that first trip through the liver too, since it gets absorbed into the lymphatic system before it gets to the liver.

Remember though that suppositories need that lead-in tack to prime the system.

Ratios: 20:1 Is the recommended starting dose. I recall CajunCelt advising someone to start with 50:1 (I don't remember what for....sorry) Knowing my mother and her uneasy feeling on cannabis, I am leaning toward starting out with a lower ratio than 20:1. Maybe 40:1 for a few days to see how it go's . Any input here would be great.

20:1 is a fairly light load. If you're going to go more diluted than that I'd recommend you do a small batch, so you're not left with a large number of capsules that won't get you to where you need to be. The 50:1 recommendation was for a patient with extreme med sensitivities, if memory serves.

My mother is currently uninsured from a soon to be divorce...yadayadayada. We don't know for sure cancer has metastasized. Her throat has been bothering her lately and she's got a gut feeling it's back.
I want her to dose, as though, in fact, it has metastasized. Is this an appropriate approach?

Apigenin and amentoflavone: I'm unclear on the concesus here. I would rather start slow, I think. She lives with and takes care of my 84 yr old grandfather and has a lot on her plate. Is it necessary, atm?

I'd recommend you go with one or the other. I use apigenin, which I order from Amazon when I'm placing an order for other things. These particular supplements will engage the very enzymes in the liver that want to metabolize the THC, and you're trying to avoid that as much as possible with your mother, correct? It's recommended, but nothing is chiseled in stone. Her ECS will still work at healing her. :battingeyelashes:

List of things to order:
00 gelatin capsules. You want beef gelatin, rated to hold oils.
Sunflower lecithen I use NOW liquid sunflower lecithin, which I usually order with the apigenin.
Syringes I use 6 ml amber, but if you use them to inject oil instead of using a suppository you want small ones. Other members are better equipped to answer this one.

Future order...?
Apigenin
Amentoflavone

If anyone has experience with specific brands that have worked or not worked well...Im asking a lot. Thank you thank you thank you

Edit: I have some good EVOO for a carrier.
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You keep asking. I don't know of any point where it'd be too much asking. Our intent is that you be comfortable with moving forward, so we'll answer anything you ask, without attitude other than helpfulness. :battingeyelashes: :Love:
 
Dr. Oliveres & I were interviewed by InfoWars & WBAP this morning. We won't be the "feature", but a segment on my clinic will be aired towards the end of March.
My 15 minutes of fame.
I see the A-Team stepped up to field new members questions here. Thank you.
It seems there are some own ended issues floating around a lil still?
I'll jump on here Tuesday if I can & answer them & see if I can help out or add anything useful.
I hope y'all are all doing well. Miss you freaks. Lol.

Oh, real quick... You don't need mold for supps. I'll explain better later. Thanks for the patience.
 
Hi Yeatster!

Great advice so far from Rad and Sue.

I've used CCO both orally and as suppositories. It's amazing how much more I can tolerate with suppositories than orally even with competitive inhibition. I can take 400 mg dose rectally and function fine around the house, but a 100 mg dose I accidentally took orally with apigenin and amentoflavone and a full dinner completely incapacitated me. I thought suppositories would be too much trouble and uncomfortable. Turns out with capsules it's really simple and easy.

If you suspect a metastasis start now. 20:1 is a very low dose. Orally without supplement (i.e. recreationally) it's like vaping 1/3 gram of herb for me, still clear headed mostly, a mild high. Rectally I can barely feel it. I still take the supplements for competetive inhibiton with suppositories. You skip the first pass through the liver but 10% still goes to liver on second pass and can still get you high when you are at higher doses. You don't need it now but will later.

You may increase dosage slowly. I spent weeks at each level. It's more important to increase at rate you are comfortable with than to get to a certain level within a certain amount of time.

Most important is to spread the doses throughout the day. Biggest mistake I made first time I tried CCO was to take it in 1-2 large doses. I was taking 1 gram per day but it didn't shrink the tumors. Steady pressure more than high doses it what it takes to kill cancer cells. In my 2nd round I saw results at 300 mg per day and tumors disappeared at 600 mg per day split into 4 doses.

Starting now will at least keep cancer from growing and spreading while you are waiting for confirmed diagnosis.

And thank you for asking. Keep asking. About half of my 1000 posts are questions I had, so clearly we don't mind at all.
 
CajunCelt said:
Dr. Oliveres & I were interviewed by InfoWars & WBAP this morning. We won't be the "feature", but a segment on my clinic will be aired towards the end of March.
My 15 minutes of fame.
I see the A-Team stepped up to field new members questions here. Thank you.
It seems there are some own ended issues floating around a lil still?
I'll jump on here Tuesday if I can & answer them & see if I can help out or add anything useful.
I hope y'all are all doing well. Miss you freaks. Lol.

Oh, real quick... You don't need mold for supps. I'll explain better later. Thanks for the patience.
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There you are..... :hugs: :Love:
 
Does anyone know how I can go about convincing my dad to do suppositories? He's will to eat food infused, but I think he's going to keep refusing suppositories. His mental state is not good at all. I'm thinking of giving him a steady happy, energetic buzz all day so maybe he will want to live past September :(
I know you guys don't know him,but kinda hoping someone has had to help a friend or family member mentally get a better outlook.
He is very frustrated with his lack of energy and very low stamina.
He has always been a hard worker and kept busy,so I believe this is what's bringing him down.
Any strain suggestions or anything .
Love all this info and the love on this thread. Gives me so much hope. Just have to get dad on a better frame of mind.

First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also
 
New B said:
Does anyone know how I can go about convincing my dad to do suppositories? He's will to eat food infused, but I think he's going to keep refusing suppositories. His mental state is not good at all. I'm thinking of giving him a steady happy, energetic buzz all day so maybe he will want to live past September :(
I know you guys don't know him,but kinda hoping someone has had to help a friend or family member mentally get a better outlook.
He is very frustrated with his lack of energy and very low stamina.
He has always been a hard worker and kept busy,so I believe this is what's bringing him down.
Any strain suggestions or anything .
Love all this info and the love on this thread. Gives me so much hope. Just have to get dad on a better frame of mind.

First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also
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Good morning NewB. So sorry your dad has decided to act just like a man. :laughtwo: Let's take a moment and try to think like him, shall we? He's lost his energy, and to him that translates into being less than he sees himself as being. This suggestion that he's "less than", coupled with the inevitable transition into greater life that's staring him in the face dropped a lot of frustration and unknown into his lap.

You can't force him, and any pushing against his resistance will only get him to dig in the heels. My first suggestion is to stop pushing. Do a little education. Help him to understand that he has an endocannabinoid system that can't keep up with his current stressful condition. A good part of the job of this overtaxed system is to keep his mind clear and focused and to keep energy levels up to speed. What the suppositories will offer him is a mind that will connect to his loved ones and a body that can rest and rejuvinate to give him the energy to devote to this stage of life.

There's no need to end one's life in confusion and frustration when the cosmos gave us reserve soldiers to help carry the load. There's no reason to, but there's no reason to deny someone that choice if that's the one they reach for. You want to offer your father relief, not a cure. He may be more open to that suggestion. A gentle nudge to give it a try for a week....??? The idea of euphoria isn't always the desired thing we believe it to be, particularly in a late stage when we want to be there for our loved ones. Properly used, suppositories won't complicate life with unwanted euphoria.

Have you tried tacking with him? Tacking brings on an almost immediate sense of well-being.
 
Yes he has tried that. Does not like it and being a man won't do it anymore. I don't push the topic of suppositories,only brought it up once and it was a NO.
He and I know it's not a cure. I've shared everything I've learnt with him,but your right time for education on ECS for me and him.
Good morning as well to you Sue

First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also
 
New B said:
Yes he has tried that. Does not like it and being a man won't do it anymore. I don't push the topic of suppositories,only brought it up once and it was a NO.
He and I know it's not a cure. I've shared everything I've learnt with him,but your right time for education on ECS for me and him.
Good morning as well to you Sue

First Grow For Me - So First Journal Also
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NewB, the information in my thread on supporting the ECS without cannabis may come in handy here. Every one of the improvements outlined there will do much to improve his current situation, just not as quickly as using cannabis will, since the cannabinoids can seek out the precise cells in need of attention and resignaling.
 
New B, if he will only consider edibles then we'll have to work with that. Using a 1:1 blend of THC and CBD plus competetive inhibition you may get your father to a high enough dose without much euphoria that may stop growth of cancer and help him get some of his strength back. That will buy more time and make it more quality time. It also keeps options open. I was really resistant to using suppositories for a long time and I never took to tacking. The steps I took to avoid suppositories gave me enough time to realize what I had to do to really treat my cancer. Anything you can get him to do give us hope.
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Yeatster said:
Kristian, I hope Mom keeps feeling better. Sending prayers your way.
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Yeatster, thank you and the same for your mother. This is the hardest time of my life.

My mother is in CBD 27% and 4% THC orally, and she say that she is sleeping better at night. But she is still in pain. I'm getting a stronger THC oil (66%) of 10 ml this week, and in 14 days a very strong 80% THC RSO. I will make suppositories out of the strong oil.

Question to SweetSue and KingstonRabbi.

The Biobombs, is that just the suppositories or another capsule my mom should take? And do you think it's okay that my mother takes the CBD 27% orally and the strong THC oil vaginal and rectal? or should I'll make a mix of CBD and THC in the suppositories?

About the dosage of the suppositories. Should my mom start with a mix of 20:1? 20:1, is that a mix of CBD and THC or mix of coconut oil and THC?
20:1, does it mean 20 mg of CBD/coconut oil and 1 mg of THC? Or just 20 times to 1?
Do you know where I'll can buy some good Apigenin pills and Amentoflavone. Can't find it here in Denmark.


Thanks

Kristian
 
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