5 and half ft sativa - outdoor grow

[Burna Boy]

Hey Drogo, fellow 9J grower as well. Great job on your grow, that is a local "Skunk" strain, I have grow this hydroponically many times. It has a 5 Month flower period and is technically an Autoflower when grown outdoor in 9J.
On the smell, you can't get the full terp blast when you grow outdoors because of the heat and high humidity we experience here.
On the breeding with seeds - I am currently on F2 with NG Skunk X Sour Diesel

See pix above. Currently trying to mate another set. I have been able to get the plant short-ish and manageable indoors.
The quickest way to get seeds is via the UK. I got my first batch when a friend came around in Nov, but I am currently using a courier service to get another batch in January. If the seeds get through immigrations I will let you know and share the company. I would advise you to invest in nutes and equipment (AliExpress free shipping) before you invest in the premium seeds. Dry nutes are cheaper, 250 grams would be allowed on a plane, unlike fluids, so research and establish your grow type before you start spending. 9J also beginning to have a great ecosystem for hobby growers, so look around. Cheers!

 

[Drogo69]

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Hey Burna, your setup looks incredible, I'm trying to get to your level Insha Allah. Glad to know there are fellow 9J enthusiasts.

Thats so incredible to hear I got a guy in UK too just hit him up today funny enough, want to ask him if he can help me out, he prolly won't be coming back till like 26 or 27.

I got the seed for this inside igbo fr just wanted to see if it would grow, started as 5, 4 died off at seedling stage the one that remained happend to be female it doesn't seem to be a good strain tho.
Also what nutes do you use, searched for phosphorus and potassium nutes, didn't see any so I just got 15-15-15, didn't even think to check Ali express smh, . Thanks for the tips, much appreciated, I've got a whole lot of questions sadly we can't chat directly on here.
I've done all my research and have a list of everything I'll need to setup, my only issue was the seeds and nutrients but you just solve that for me hopefully about the seeds my guy can come thru.

Do you know any ways we can chat anonymously, I'd love to get some of the seeds you're breeding even if it's to buy

Also I'm sure you have some pics of your previous harvests, would love to see some of them if you could post just give me a motivation boost, please keep me updated about the seeds via courier business
Thanks for your insights. Safe!!!

 

[Sativa1970]

So, matured in Oct and flower in mid Nov. If it is an equatorial strain the short days would have little effect but they have a longer flower time naturally. Two sides of the same coin leading to a 10-14 week flowering. The buds look like just past the mid point. Sticking to my original estimate mid Feb.

Some of my sativas smell in veg, others not until the second half of flower. The last 3 weeks of flower is always when she pours on the smell like a teenage locker room. Smelling the terps is a sign she is loosing terps. Since sativas grow in intense light they hold there terps longer.

She will continue to grow new pistols as the older ones turn color. When she stops growing pistols and they are all dark with just a few yellow, it is time to start checking the trichomes.

 

[Drogo69]

So, matured in Oct and flower in mid Nov. If it is an equatorial strain the short days would have little effect but they have a longer flower time naturally. Two sides of the same coin leading to a 10-14 week flowering. The buds look like just past the mid point. Sticking to my original estimate mid Feb.

Some of my sativas smell in veg, others not until the second half of flower. The last 3 weeks of flower is always when she pours on the smell like a teenage locker room. Smelling the terps is a sign she is loosing terps. Since sativas grow in intense light they hold there terps longer.

She will continue to grow new pistols as the older ones turn color. When she stops growing pistols and they are all dark with just a few yellow, it is time to start checking the trichomes.

You saved me a lot of anxiety. much obliged

 

[SmokingWings]

I'm in Nigeria, FCT. we get Temps reaching up to 38c in the afternoon, a bit cooler in the mornings at 28c. We have about 11 1/2 hours of daylight currently.

I had the feeling that you were close to the equator. The lengths of enough sunlight for growing along the equator tend to cause some interesting issues. Then considering the temperatures along with sunlight hours it gets very interesting. With some practice and experience you should be able to do more than one grow per year especially with some auto-flower plants.

Yes, your day length is 11 hrs 36 min, and night length 12 hrs 24 min. Your current solar noon angle is low at about 58° (directly overhead is 90°). Night length at his location will continue to be over 12 hrs until March 7 when it reaches exactly 12 hrs and continues dropping. By April 12, the solar noon angle is 90°—the sun is directly overhead. At that time, day length is 12 hrs 18 min, night length 11 hrs 42 min.

The times listed by on-line weather and/or sunrise-sunset times web sites measure like astronomers are. Thing is that the first hour after sunrise and last hour before sunset do not produce the quality light that is available by mid-morning through late afternoon.

During the early hours of the day and the ending hour or so before sunset the solar angle is even worse than the low solar angle of 58 that you mentioned earlier. That is one of the reasons some growers who have put their plants outside run into the interesting situation when their outdoor plants start to flower within weeks. They are faced with their plants having to start a vegetate stage by mid to late May.

It is not like growing in a tent when the lights come on at full usable strength for12 hours later go instantly to dark.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I had the feeling that you were close to the equator. The lengths of enough sunlight for growing along the equator tend to cause some interesting issues. Then considering the temperatures along with sunlight hours it gets very interesting. With some practice and experience you should be able to do more than one grow per year especially with some auto-flower plants.

Yes, several grows, just like here in Hawaii. Auto-flower, yes, or photoperiod long lifespan sativas, or photoperiod of anything using a greenhouse for veg w/ night interruption lighting, then transfer outdoors (away from the lights).

The times listed by on-line weather and/or sunrise-sunset times web sites measure like astronomers are. Thing is that the first hour after sunrise and last hour before sunset do not produce the quality light that is available by mid-morning through late afternoon.

Of course. But the infamous on-line information is correct with regard to day hours and night hours.

During the early hours of the day and the ending hour or so before sunset the solar angle is even worse than the low solar angle of 58 that you mentioned earlier. That is one of the reasons some growers who have put their plants outside run into the interesting situation when their outdoor plants start to flower within weeks. They are faced with their plants having to start a vegetate stage by mid to late May.

Of course. The sun rises at 0° and culminates at 58° in OP's current situation, then sets at 0°. The solar noon angle is a good reference point for the sun's intensity during the specific time of the year.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Hey cbd Hemp, thanks for your reply and insight. Yes it's definitely a landrace. Can you tell when the harvest date will be just by looking at it, I'd like to get your opinion on that, thanks.

I'll go with @Sativa1970 's opinion on that.

Truth be told the strain takes too long in flower, would love to get my hands on some auto flower seeds, if I could breed them with this strain I would definitely get a faster flowering strain with denser buds. alas it's extremely illegal here,

Oh dang... maybe not worth the risk. Be careful brother!

I dont even know how to begin to order it, some sites promise discrete packaging but our would probably checks the packages.
Hoping to start an indoor grow by 25 hopefully I'd have figured out how to get them auto flower seeds by then.

Is ganja more legal or more available in any country next to you? Perhaps travel there and get some seeds. You could either do autoflowers and breed them, so you can produce more seed, or you could do photoperiods and clone them. Cloning is the easiest way to have a constant supply of new plants. Cloning is quite easy, and you can do it indoors with low-wattage LED bulbs (I use 24 watt grow light). Once the clones take, you need to veg them in a greenhouse under night-interruption lighting, and then once big enough you can transfer outdoors. Night interruption prevents flowering and allows them to grow. Again, low-wattage LED bulbs (I use 13 watt bulbs), on a timer so they go ON for a few minutes in the middle of the night.

 

[cbdhemp808]

On Cannabis in Nigeria, from Sensi Seeds...

The Indian Hemp Act further clarifies the situation – stating that possession of the substance is an offense, which can be punished with “imprisonment for a term of not less than four years”. However, if the offender is seventeen or under, the sentence is adjusted to 21 strokes of the cane, plus two years in a borstal or similar institution, or a fine of N200.​

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Planting or growing cannabis in Nigeria is regarded as a serious offense. The Indian Hemp Act states that “any person who knowingly plants or cultivates any plant of the genus cannabis shall be (…) sentenced either to death or to imprisonment for a term of not less than 21 years.”​

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Despite this, cannabis is grown widely throughout the country. It’s a favored crop for farmers, as it generates a much larger profit than other plants. Most cultivation takes place in the states of Edo, Ekiti, Delta, Ondo, Osun, Ogun and Oyo. The tropical climate here provides the ideal conditions for the plants to thrive.​

Is ganja more legal or more available in any country next to you? Perhaps travel there and get some seeds.

Looks like South Africa is the only African country where adult-use possession and growing is legal.

I don't know, but your laws in Nigeria seem to be a show stopper!

These sponsors will ship to South Africa: Grower's Choice Seeds, Delicious Seeds, Crop King Seeds, Herbies.

 

[SmokingWings]

Of course. But the infamous on-line information is correct with regard to day hours and night hours.

But not the quality of light that is available for the plants to use at the beginning and end of the day. Even less light available with heavy cloud cover during those time.

Taking into consideration this quality and number of hours it starts to make sense when considering why outdoor photo-period plants in the majority of the northern hemisphere start to flower in early to mid August when the astronomers are calling for 14 hours of day. They are using a repeatable and predictable physical astronomical event for when the sun will break the horizon line. It does not matter to them and their charts if it is a clear or heavily overcast sky without enough light for photosynthesis to take place.

 

[Sativa1970]

Equatorial sativas have the genetic heritage of photo type plants so they can be manipulated with light cycle. In nature this is not what triggers flowering. The shift from the longest summer 14 hour day to the shortest winter 10 hour day is not enough to trigger flowering. They use secondary factors so they all flower at the same time, generally it is triggered by the wet to dry season. When the rain stops the flowering starts. Heavy watering and high humidity can delay flowering in the same way adding light to the night cycle can in temperate zone plants.

To be clear light trumps water and not all equatorial strains use water as there secondary trigger. There are still some areas that we don't know what the exact secondary trigger is.

 

[bluter]

interesting topic. was always sure there were other triggering factors outdoor for different stages of development.

indoor is a bit different.

 

[cbdhemp808]

But not the quality of light that is available for the plants to use at the beginning and end of the day. Even less light available with heavy cloud cover during those time.

If you are talking about what triggers flowering in photoperiod cannabis, it's the length of the dark period. Period. Clouds or no clouds is completely irrelevant.

Taking into consideration this quality and number of hours it starts to make sense when considering why outdoor photo-period plants in the majority of the northern hemisphere start to flower in early to mid August when the astronomers are calling for 14 hours of day.

Daylight is daylight, regardless of the "quality" of the daylight. And the opposite of the daylight is the dark period. Most cannabis will go into flower with 10 or 10.5 hours of darkness. Tropical sativas will require more. The literature states 12/12 as the default for flowering indoors. Another thing about tropical landrace sativas... they usually have a very long lifespan, so they aren't mature enough to begin flowering for months, even though they are in a zone where the night length is long enough (e.g. 12 hrs). This gives the illusion that something else is causing them to begin flowering.

They are using a repeatable and predictable physical astronomical event for when the sun will break the horizon line. It does not matter to them and their charts if it is a clear or heavily overcast sky without enough light for photosynthesis to take place.

Sure, photosynthesis decreases as the solar angle becomes lower, going toward fall and winter. Likewise there will be more cloudy and rainy days. Decreased photosynthesis doesn't initiate flowering. It's the longer nights that are doing that.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Equatorial sativas have the genetic heritage of photo type plants so they can be manipulated with light cycle.

All cannabis except for autoflowering cannabis are photoperiod plants. Period. It doesn't matter if we are talking about equatorial sativas, landrace sativas, modern hybrid sativas, or any other photoperiod cannabis.

In nature this is not what triggers flowering.

Long nights are what trigger photoperiod cannabis to flower. Most will flower with 10 or 10.5 hours of darkness. Equatorial landrace sativas will require more like 12 hours.

The shift from the longest summer 14 hour day to the shortest winter 10 hour day is not enough to trigger flowering.

The first problem with your logic is that, at the equator, there are no such longest summer or shortest winter days. Near the equator, the night length is 12 hours, plus or minus some minutes. For example, in southern Colombia, which is close to the equator, the night length is 12 hours plus or minus 9 minutes... ALL YEAR ROUND.

They use secondary factors so they all flower at the same time, generally it is triggered by the wet to dry season. When the rain stops the flowering starts. Heavy watering and high humidity can delay flowering in the same way adding light to the night cycle can in temperate zone plants.

Since the nights are always long enough to initiate flowering, near the equator, sexual maturity is what initiates flowering. Tropical landrace sativas usually have very long life spans. Some even span more than a year. For example, you could have one that naturally is in veg for 4 months, reaches maturity, and then begins flowering, and this could continue for another four months.

So, what I'm talking about here is what *initiates* flowering, not what determines the length of the flowering period. Yes, that could be dependent on a number of environmental factors.

To be clear light trumps water and not all equatorial strains use water as there secondary trigger. There are still some areas that we don't know what the exact secondary trigger is.

Sexual maturity. Please cite some literature that discusses equatorial sativas being triggered into flower by something other than sexual maturity and night length.

 

[Sativa1970]

All cannabis except for autoflowering cannabis are photoperiod plants. Period. It doesn't matter if we are talking about equatorial sativas, landrace sativas, modern hybrid sativas, or any other photoperiod cannabis.


Long nights are what trigger photoperiod cannabis to flower. Most will flower with 10 or 10.5 hours of darkness. Equatorial landrace sativas will require more like 12 hours.


The first problem with your logic is that, at the equator, there are no such longest summer or shortest winter days. Near the equator, the night length is 12 hours, plus or minus some minutes. For example, in southern Colombia, which is close to the equator, the night length is 12 hours plus or minus 9 minutes... ALL YEAR ROUND.


Since the nights are always long enough to initiate flowering, near the equator, sexual maturity is what initiates flowering. Tropical landrace sativas usually have very long life spans. Some even span more than a year. For example, you could have one that naturally is in veg for 4 months, reaches maturity, and then begins flowering, and this could continue for another four months.

So, what I'm talking about here is what *initiates* flowering, not what determines the length of the flowering period. Yes, that could be dependent on a number of environmental factors.


Sexual maturity. Please cite some literature that discusses equatorial sativas being triggered into flower by something other than sexual maturity and night length.

Thank you for making my point. Directly on the equator the days remain 12 hours year round and yet all the plants still flower at the same time. Not just cannabis, all plants. Slight differences in germination, maturation, flowering and dropping seeds would throw the plants out of sync over generations. So there must be an outside influence keeping the plants in rhythm other than hours of light.

Did a research paper on it for my hort deg but that was over a decade ago. That paper and the computer I researched it on are long gone now. I will look for the source material again if you are interested. I found it fascinating.

Only found one or two references specific to cannabis considering it's spars legality back then. The vast majority of the work was done with banana plants because they are the major cash crop in this zone, cash crop money pays for research and all banana trees are genetic clones. The only way to remove genetic variation for an experiment is to use clones. So this is a whole field of study, but most research focuses around bananas because they are a geographically wide spread, genetic controlled, cash crop plant.

Most research theorized it was the change in the wet/dry season that triggered life cycles. Some believed it was the shift in light spectrum from blue to red. Another found two islands only separated by 5 miles of ocean. Same location, same climate, same wet/dry season but one island always fruited 3 months earlier. When they moved a plant from one island to the other it would fruit with others on the island it was planted into. The trigger that caused it was a mystery.

In Jamaica there are two yearly harvests. Seeds planted in May veg until late October. Veg in the wet season and flower beginning of the dry season. They are harvested in early February. Second harvest seeds are planted in October. Heavy irrigation and wetting the plant keeps it in veg until late January. The plant flowers and is harvested in April before the rainy season starts again. The February harvest is considered the superior bud.

Cannabis is not some rare unicorn plant. It uses the same general techniques that similar plants in similar environments use. Small predetermined life cycle plants are common in plants that grew in the northern areas next to ruderals. Wide leaves and using day light hours is common with the plants that naturally grow next to temperate zone indica. The thought of a equatorial sativa using a secondary influence like all the plants that grow around it with no change in day hours is disputable? Really?

 

[cbdhemp808]

Thank you for making my point. Directly on the equator the days remain 12 hours year round and yet all the plants still flower at the same time. Not just cannabis, all plants. Slight differences in germination, maturation, flowering and dropping seeds would throw the plants out of sync over generations. So there must be an outside influence keeping the plants in rhythm other than hours of light.

Did a research paper on it for my hort deg but that was over a decade ago. That paper and the computer I researched it on are long gone now. I will look for the source material again if you are interested. I found it fascinating.

Only found one or two references specific to cannabis considering it's spars legality back then. The vast majority of the work was done with banana plants because they are the major cash crop in this zone, cash crop money pays for research and all banana trees are genetic clones. The only way to remove genetic variation for an experiment is to use clones. So this is a whole field of study, but most research focuses around bananas because they are a geographically wide spread, genetic controlled, cash crop plant.

Most research theorized it was the change in the wet/dry season that triggered life cycles. Some believed it was the shift in light spectrum from blue to red. Another found two islands only separated by 5 miles of ocean. Same location, same climate, same wet/dry season but one island always fruited 3 months earlier. When they moved a plant from one island to the other it would fruit with others on the island it was planted into. The trigger that caused it was a mystery.

In Jamaica there are two yearly harvests. Seeds planted in May veg until late October. Veg in the wet season and flower beginning of the dry season. They are harvested in early February. Second harvest seeds are planted in October. Heavy irrigation and wetting the plant keeps it in veg until late January. The plant flowers and is harvested in April before the rainy season starts again. The February harvest is considered the superior bud.

Cannabis is not some rare unicorn plant. It uses the same general techniques that similar plants in similar environments use. Small predetermined life cycle plants are common in plants that grew in the northern areas next to ruderals. Wide leaves and using day light hours is common with the plants that naturally grow next to temperate zone indica. The thought of a equatorial sativa using a secondary influence like all the plants that grow around it with no change in day hours is disputable? Really?

I guess you're not disputing what I'm saying. Cannabis is probably the most widely studied plant on Earth. Can you find one research paper online that supports what you are saying? I am saying night length, which is indisputable. I'm also saying sexual maturity, which is also indisputable.

Show me one study that found that equatorial sativas aren't triggered to flower by these two factors alone. I'm open to it. Show me.