420's Perfect Sun Led Goliath V2 Sponsor Grow Purple Punch Clones Hydro Flood & Drain

Moony said:
Looking good as usual @West Hippie. Are those co2 extinguishers for plants or just fire extinguishers for safety?
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Safety, we had a grower catch fire and lost everything. I saw that he was back and I followed his lead to make it safer in my grow room. I had to wait till my big extinguisher got refilled . Yes CO2 for electrical fires .
 
West Hippie said:
As we all pretty well have taken @Bill284 advice. Found 22 of these in a dumpster at the high school they tore down. Just delivered 20 minutes ago. And I didn’t want Biil to miss this light ! Good to see you back .

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Good stuff my friend.
Hope you never need them.
But good to have Justin Case. :thumb:
Stay safe.
Bill
 
Bill284 said:
Good stuff my friend.
Hope you never need them.
But good to have Justin Case. :thumb:
Stay safe.
Bill
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Thanks Bill I’ve never had a fire but fought quite a few.
You stay safe to Bill
 
It's nice to see the plants under different lighting...really give you an idea of the great color they have!
West Hippie said:
Expensive., yes
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Do you have any idea of how expensive it might be for a complete grow?
 
InTheShed said:
It's nice to see the plants under different lighting...really give you an idea of the great color they have!

Do you have any idea of how expensive it might be for a complete grow?
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I hadn’t seen that spread sheet in awhile. Those nutrients were outrageous compared to MC . And to think I got 13 to 19 ounces a grow when I used those nutrients.
 
West Hippie said:
Safety, we had a grower catch fire and lost everything. I saw that he was back and I followed his lead to make it safer in my grow room. I had to wait till my big extinguisher got refilled . Yes CO2 for electrical fires .
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Definitely something everyone should do. Even a small cheapy one like for a kitchen from a box store, I need to add one to my room as well..
 
10/01/21 day 36/05 flower
Old reservoir I’m letting it run while I mix the fresh nutrients. Here’s its numbers.
TDS 1061 ppm was 1101 ppm Falling
Water temp 70.0
Water level down 2+ gallons Falling
Ph 6.2 was 5.8 Rising adjusted to 5.8
I’ll post the fresh reservoir a little later , mail said ph up & down will be here today.
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10/01/21
Perfect Sun Led Goliath V2
Purple Purple
 
FelipeBlu said:
I find it very interesting that 4 (largish) plants in bloom/stretch only consumed 25ppm of nutrients in 24 hours! And yet, the reservoir concentration has to be over 1100ppm.
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Quoting myself (lol!)

Seriously, is nobody else curious about this? If the plants are only taking in 25-60ppm a day, why does the reservoir concentration have to be so high?

Is it because the nutrient concentration in the plant is so high at this point that the reservoir concentration has to be higher - or nutrients would leach out of the plant back into the reservoir (via osmotic pressure)?

Any botanists out there?
 
FelipeBlu said:
Quoting myself (lol!)

Seriously, is nobody else curious about this? If the plants are only taking in 25-60ppm a day, why does the reservoir concentration have to be so high?

Is it because the nutrient concentration in the plant is so high at this point that the reservoir concentration has to be higher - or nutrients would leach out of the plant back into the reservoir (via osmotic pressure)?

Any botanists out there?
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I'm just here taking all this in and trying to learn. I am curious about all of it. I have questions for all of it. I will just stay silent and listen to what Wes has to say for another month or so...think I'll be at a point where I can at least understand what is going on in these hydro grows
 
FelipeBlu said:
Quoting myself (lol!)

Seriously, is nobody else curious about this? If the plants are only taking in 25-60ppm a day, why does the reservoir concentration have to be so high?

Is it because the nutrient concentration in the plant is so high at this point that the reservoir concentration has to be higher - or nutrients would leach out of the plant back into the reservoir (via osmotic pressure)?

Any botanists out there?
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I would be less concerned about how much ppm is being reduced daily as I would be concerned about total volume in the reservoir being consumed, somewhat constant/steady ppm numbers indicate your feeding where the plants want to be or at least within a range that doesn’t lock out any vital nutrients, if your volume is the same and ppm is rapidly raising or falling, you have PH out of wack or a nutrient lockout of some sort that needs to be addressed, when numbers start changing drastically one way or another, I would flush whatever you can out with clean water and let the clean water run for a half hour at least, dump, refill with clean water and flush a second time before dumping and refilling with corrected nutrients and PH. If you suspect bad bacteria causing issues or getting slimy roots, when flushing add 2 drops of bleach to every gallon, and when refilling with nutrients add the same amount. This will ensure any bad(all will actually) bacteria dies off for a fresh start.. Not a botanist but have setup quite a few different hydro setups and learned a decent amount from each one.
 
FelipeBlu said:
Quoting myself (lol!)

Seriously, is nobody else curious about this? If the plants are only taking in 25-60ppm a day, why does the reservoir concentration have to be so high?

Is it because the nutrient concentration in the plant is so high at this point that the reservoir concentration has to be higher - or nutrients would leach out of the plant back into the reservoir (via osmotic pressure)?

Any botanists out there?
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I didn’t figure it out so water and nutrients change. If I don’t top it off I’ve seen the ppm rise 100 ppm +when it concentrates . Like you said how in can they look so good and not show problems. Beats me I think it was taking off but worried about it so change it is .
 
Camaro1691 said:
I would be less concerned about how much ppm is being reduced daily as I would be concerned about total volume in the reservoir being consumed, somewhat constant/steady ppm numbers indicate your feeding where the plants want to be or at least within a range that doesn’t lock out any vital nutrients, if your volume is the same and ppm is rapidly raising or falling, you have PH out of wack or a nutrient lockout of some sort that needs to be addressed, when numbers start changing drastically one way or another, I would flush whatever you can out with clean water and let the clean water run for a half hour at least, dump, refill with clean water and flush a second time before dumping and refilling with corrected nutrients and PH. If you suspect bad bacteria causing issues or getting slimy roots, when flushing add 2 drops of bleach to every gallon, and when refilling with nutrients add the same amount. This will ensure any bad(all will actually) bacteria dies off for a fresh start.. Not a botanist but have setup quite a few different hydro setups and learned a decent amount from each one.
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I’m going to change the reservoir out , I have ph up&down coming today .
 
Camaro1691 said:
I would be less concerned about how much ppm is being reduced daily as I would be concerned about total volume in the reservoir being consumed, somewhat constant/steady ppm numbers indicate your feeding where the plants want to be or at least within a range that doesn’t lock out any vital nutrients, if your volume is the same and ppm is rapidly raising or falling, you have PH out of wack or a nutrient lockout of some sort that needs to be addressed, when numbers start changing drastically one way or another, I would flush whatever you can out with clean water and let the clean water run for a half hour at least, dump, refill with clean water and flush a second time before dumping and refilling with corrected nutrients and PH. If you suspect bad bacteria causing issues or getting slimy roots, when flushing add 2 drops of bleach to every gallon, and when refilling with nutrients add the same amount. This will ensure any bad(all will actually) bacteria dies off for a fresh start.. Not a botanist but have setup quite a few different hydro setups and learned a decent amount from each one.
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Okay, that makes sense to me. It isn’t that they are only consuming 25ppm. In WH’s case, the reservoir volume is falling 1 to 2 gallons a day. So the plants are taking in 2 gallons of the 1100ppm solution, and then a little extra, which results in the 25 ppm difference from the previous day?

I’m guessing that it’s like when I fertigate plants in a perlite hempy at 1100ppm, and they empty the reservoir daily. They are getting the entire concentration of nutrients. And if they need 25ppm more every day, they will eventually let me know by leaf symptoms.
 
I am calibrating my meters , I took one to another grow and I’ll do it tomorrow. My tds ez has failed showing 400 ppm too high ,supposed to be 1500 showing 1968 . Going to get my other for numbers on this change . So tomorrow is today !
 
West Hippie said:
I am calibrating my meters , I took one to another grow and I’ll do it tomorrow. My tds ez has failed showing 400 ppm too high ,supposed to be 1500 showing 1968 . Going to get my other for numbers on this change . So tomorrow is today !
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I had to get a new probe for my meter within the last 10 months due to it being off. Cal checks once a month should be done in my opinion, and make sure to use a storage solution instead of just tap water. Learned that the expensive way with a bum probe.
 
Okay this one is off by 19ppm I can work with that . It actually moves fast I noticed the other one numbers came up real slow which is the HM tds ez . Pancellent is the good one for now will use these numbers.
Fresh Reservoir
Going to try water out the terpinator and give these girls 6 grams of MC nutrients a gallon x20=120 grams. Stuck with the MSA 80 mL and 60 mL of calmag instead of the 80 mL .
TDS 1123 ppm
Water temp 74.5 coming down was 76.5
Water level 20 gallons of Ro TDS 7 PH 6.2
Ph 5.5 was it the terpinator that drove me to 5.2 ??
Lights out still giving the weather !
Canopy temp 70.9
Room temp 74.0
Room Rh 56%
CO2 level 480 ppm lights out it’s off .
Outside temp 75.0 at 2:55 pm
Outside Rh 85%
I guess I should have put some other light in there for maintenance, no way and forget to turn it off.
Wished I kept a sample from the old reservoir, was probably around 700 ppm . Y’all that are disappearing for the weekend enjoy it .

Ph up & down hasn’t made it yet .
 
Camaro1691 said:
I would be less concerned about how much ppm is being reduced daily as I would be concerned about total volume in the reservoir being consumed, somewhat constant/steady ppm numbers indicate your feeding where the plants want to be or at least within a range that doesn’t lock out any vital nutrients, if your volume is the same and ppm is rapidly raising or falling, you have PH out of wack or a nutrient lockout of some sort that needs to be addressed, when numbers start changing drastically one way or another, I would flush whatever you can out with clean water and let the clean water run for a half hour at least, dump, refill with clean water and flush a second time before dumping and refilling with corrected nutrients and PH. If you suspect bad bacteria causing issues or getting slimy roots, when flushing add 2 drops of bleach to every gallon, and when refilling with nutrients add the same amount. This will ensure any bad(all will actually) bacteria dies off for a fresh start.. Not a botanist but have setup quite a few different hydro setups and learned a decent amount from each one.
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Here’s the roots two days ago . No slime you made me peek at em .

420's Perfect Sun Led Goliath V2 Sponsor Grow Purple Punch Clones Hydro Flood & Drain

09/28/21 day 33/02 TDS 1150 ppm was 1163 ppm Falling Water temp 74.1 adjusted to 70.5 Water level down 1 gallon Falling Ph 6.3 was 5.5 Rising adjusted to 5.5 Canopy temp 74.9 Room temp 76.3 Room Rh 56.3 CO2 801 ppm Outside temp 70 at 8:05 am Outside Rh 84% Looking at your numbers every day...
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InTheShed said:
Does that mean I get to nap at work?
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Not unless you need reprimanded.
Good thing I didn’t check my ro water 467 ppm I’d probably dumped them thinking the system failed . I’m headed home now and will order 4 more tds pens tonight.
 
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