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ramrod,
I just want to suggest possibly looking into using the Gas Lantern Routine "GLR" if you haven't already.
Now would be the perfect time to introduce it. Then when you flip? You're girls will be all geared up and the transition time will be way shorter.
I've been using it for a few grows now, and it really does work while saving money on the elec bill..
Here's some info about it that was originally posted by Twelve12
The Gas Lantern Routine
This information will seem quite revolutionary to growers who have been using the standard cycles to produce cannabis, seemingly with little or no trouble at all. Actually, in a grow that more closely mimics the outdoor growing environment under indoor lighting conditions, the plants may be maintained in vegetative cycle using only a total of 13 hours of light daily, which dramatically reduces the cost of production.
The less is more approach of the Gas Lantern Routine provides the growing plant with adequate darkness to promote health, and by inserting a full hour of light in the center of the dark period, the plants are tricked, and neither flower nor express hermaphrodites. The growing plants get more than the average amount of rest, thus reducing stress, and improving plant yield, overall performance, and medicinal quality.
Seedlings and Cuttings
The Gas Lantern Routine is applicable in seedling phases of plant growth. As stated before, nowhere in nature does the springtime ever provide an 18-hour photosynthesis length; rather, the growing spring light may in fact be 12 hours or less. Lighting for seedlings and cuttings needs to be bright, but compact fluorescent or T5 lighting may be used while in the seedling phase. Rooted mature cuttings can immediately light with HID lighting.
Here's the actual schedule
The Vegetative Schedule
This method is quite simple: 12 hours of light, followed by five and one half hours of darkness, a single hour of light exactly, and then a second period of five and one half hours of darkness. Placing a full hour of light in the very center of a 12-hour dark period tricks the plant and interrupts the buildup up of sensitive floral hormones, which would normally trigger flowering by destroying them. The grower simply raises the plants to the desired size before switching to the fall schedule to bloom.
Here are the numbers:
12 on
5.5 off
1 on
5.5 off
repeat.
So say your lights come on a 7am... They'd go off at 7PM, then at 12:30 that night they'd come on until 1:30AM and go off. Then they'd come back on a 7am again.
To flower I simply move them into the flower box, give them GLR under the HPS for another 2 weeks to harden them to the light a bit, and then simply remove the 1 hour at 12:30 to start flowering.
The TRANSITION is shortened CONSIDERABLY, lessening stretch by almost 90% because they are already at the brink of flowering from GLR, they just need the hour at night to be removed to give them that extra push... It takes plants DAYS, not WEEKS to transition to flower from there.
ramrod,
I just want to suggest possibly looking into using the Gas Lantern Routine "GLR" if you haven't already.
Now would be the perfect time to introduce it. Then when you flip? You're girls will be all geared up and the transition time will be way shorter.
I've been using it for a few grows now, and it really does work while saving money on the elec bill..
Here's some info about it that was originally posted by Twelve12
The Gas Lantern Routine
This information will seem quite revolutionary to growers who have been using the standard cycles to produce cannabis, seemingly with little or no trouble at all. Actually, in a grow that more closely mimics the outdoor growing environment under indoor lighting conditions, the plants may be maintained in vegetative cycle using only a total of 13 hours of light daily, which dramatically reduces the cost of production.
The less is more approach of the Gas Lantern Routine provides the growing plant with adequate darkness to promote health, and by inserting a full hour of light in the center of the dark period, the plants are tricked, and neither flower nor express hermaphrodites. The growing plants get more than the average amount of rest, thus reducing stress, and improving plant yield, overall performance, and medicinal quality.
Seedlings and Cuttings
The Gas Lantern Routine is applicable in seedling phases of plant growth. As stated before, nowhere in nature does the springtime ever provide an 18-hour photosynthesis length; rather, the growing spring light may in fact be 12 hours or less. Lighting for seedlings and cuttings needs to be bright, but compact fluorescent or T5 lighting may be used while in the seedling phase. Rooted mature cuttings can immediately light with HID lighting.
Here's the actual schedule
The Vegetative Schedule
This method is quite simple: 12 hours of light, followed by five and one half hours of darkness, a single hour of light exactly, and then a second period of five and one half hours of darkness. Placing a full hour of light in the very center of a 12-hour dark period tricks the plant and interrupts the buildup up of sensitive floral hormones, which would normally trigger flowering by destroying them. The grower simply raises the plants to the desired size before switching to the fall schedule to bloom.
Here are the numbers:
12 on
5.5 off
1 on
5.5 off
repeat.
So say your lights come on a 7am... They'd go off at 7PM, then at 12:30 that night they'd come on until 1:30AM and go off. Then they'd come back on a 7am again.
To flower I simply move them into the flower box, give them GLR under the HPS for another 2 weeks to harden them to the light a bit, and then simply remove the 1 hour at 12:30 to start flowering.
The TRANSITION is shortened CONSIDERABLY, lessening stretch by almost 90% because they are already at the brink of flowering from GLR, they just need the hour at night to be removed to give them that extra push... It takes plants DAYS, not WEEKS to transition to flower from there.
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which is exactly what ramrod is doing by mentioning BPN in his journals..
helping to "promote" his business.
which is exactly what ramrod is doing by mentioning BPN in his journals..
helping to "promote" his business.
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Im olde English and I aint got a clue lol. Think mcloadie hit the nail though.
Im olde English and I aint got a clue lol. Think mcloadie hit the nail though.
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Yep, and as many people who are usin that stuff I'm looking at their organic line.
which is exactly what ramrod is doing by mentioning BPN in his journals..
helping to "promote" his business.
Yep, and as many people who are usin that stuff I'm looking at their organic line.
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the thing with GLR is although u may seem to save money on ur daily bill, u actually need to veg longer as the plant isnt getting the same charge of light. im busy over seeing one right now and im already a week behind shedule in veg and prob another 5days to go extra. usually i only veg 2-3 weeks max and im nearly on week 5 with GLR. Big NO NO for me. I think the only benefit is the time it shows flower but then thats irrelevant when ive gone 2 weeks over in veg.
the thing with GLR is although u may seem to save money on ur daily bill, u actually need to veg longer as the plant isnt getting the same charge of light. im busy over seeing one right now and im already a week behind shedule in veg and prob another 5days to go extra. usually i only veg 2-3 weeks max and im nearly on week 5 with GLR. Big NO NO for me. I think the only benefit is the time it shows flower but then thats irrelevant when ive gone 2 weeks over in veg.
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I can definitely see how GLR would slow down production C.
If you're on a schedule that has to be followed to the day to ensure timely crops.
But for the average Joe that is growing for themselves, or are vegging longer anyway to create bushes I think it's a great idea.
What I did on this last grow was 16/8 schedule for my long ass veg to make bushes, then the last week before flip changed to GLR, lights out for 36, then on 12/12. It worked as a gradual reduction of light into transition.
pistols showed up 6 days later..
I can definitely see how GLR would slow down production C.
If you're on a schedule that has to be followed to the day to ensure timely crops.
But for the average Joe that is growing for themselves, or are vegging longer anyway to create bushes I think it's a great idea.
What I did on this last grow was 16/8 schedule for my long ass veg to make bushes, then the last week before flip changed to GLR, lights out for 36, then on 12/12. It worked as a gradual reduction of light into transition.
pistols showed up 6 days later..
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Looks like a pretty awsome grow u've got there! is that all done in an "RV"?
Looks like a pretty awsome grow u've got there! is that all done in an "RV"?
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its not practical for my schedule but im going through the motions to say ive tried it. but it doesnt negatively affect plants, thats the main thing. so it becomes a preference on grow style. i really dont believe it saves u money over all due to the extra time u need to run it, but each to their own.
its not practical for my schedule but im going through the motions to say ive tried it. but it doesnt negatively affect plants, thats the main thing. so it becomes a preference on grow style. i really dont believe it saves u money over all due to the extra time u need to run it, but each to their own.
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Good info cultivator and Vick, did it once myself and was going to do it this time after few earlier posts. But too be honest my AK under GLR vegged a bit slower, So your right its as long as it is short.
Reps to both of you for changing my mind twice lol. Thanks for info.
Good info cultivator and Vick, did it once myself and was going to do it this time after few earlier posts. But too be honest my AK under GLR vegged a bit slower, So your right its as long as it is short.
Reps to both of you for changing my mind twice lol. Thanks for info.
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Actually, after Twelve12 posted his report on GLR,((( https://www.420magazine.com/community/blogs/gas-lantern-routine-growing-cannabis.1719/ ))) I switched mine to GLR... I actually got FASTER growth because plants were healthier. I can't tell actually what caused this light schedule to create healthier plants. Maybe the rest period was fully complete. I can't rightly say. All I know is that everything else was exactly the same, and with all my strains, I have been getting 50% faster growth, and way better stem structure.
ALSO, transition when putting into flower is much shorter, as GLR actually pushes the plants just to edge, without going over. I'm talking days, not weeks. Stretch was about 75% less, as well.
Actually, after Twelve12 posted his report on GLR,((( https://www.420magazine.com/community/blogs/gas-lantern-routine-growing-cannabis.1719/ ))) I switched mine to GLR... I actually got FASTER growth because plants were healthier. I can't tell actually what caused this light schedule to create healthier plants. Maybe the rest period was fully complete. I can't rightly say. All I know is that everything else was exactly the same, and with all my strains, I have been getting 50% faster growth, and way better stem structure.
ALSO, transition when putting into flower is much shorter, as GLR actually pushes the plants just to edge, without going over. I'm talking days, not weeks. Stretch was about 75% less, as well.
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did u change anything else at all? Even small change? I have my nutes dialled to a fine art. In my journal i experiment to show diff nutes but i have a laid out schedule that kicks arse. ive got many, many grows behind me and for me glr works but isnt better than say 18/6 veg. My Plants are healthy as normal, nothing diff to report other than they a bit stretchier with GLR but thats not the end of the world. Veg growth is definately slower on a like for like basis. On average i veg 2 weeks but on occasion push it to 3. im now nearly on week 5 with healthy plants that arent the size of plants ive vegged 2 weeks in past. its not coincidental im sure. i have enough experience to know if other factors were at play. maybe its strain dependant but i have super lemon haze, big bang regular and AMS all responding the same. Im not convinced its a better route than 18/6. im open minded and always willing to try new things but for me the con out ways the pro here. Its not cheaper because u have to run it longer, therefore u dont onlyt lose on electric but u also lose on time it takes for turn around. For example i usually run on a 10-11 week turn around, if i add 2-3 weeks extra veg per grow over 4 grows then i basically lose out on a full grow! dont tell me the money u save on electic amounts up to a full grow, no way, well not to the grows i do anyway. Also im yet to flip on the GLR schedule but i usually see flowers form within a week so if GLF shows flowers faster it can only be by a few days max, therefore overall its not worth it. Infact i can say i'd be vastly out of pocket by switching all my grows to GLR.
did u change anything else at all? Even small change? I have my nutes dialled to a fine art. In my journal i experiment to show diff nutes but i have a laid out schedule that kicks arse. ive got many, many grows behind me and for me glr works but isnt better than say 18/6 veg. My Plants are healthy as normal, nothing diff to report other than they a bit stretchier with GLR but thats not the end of the world. Veg growth is definately slower on a like for like basis. On average i veg 2 weeks but on occasion push it to 3. im now nearly on week 5 with healthy plants that arent the size of plants ive vegged 2 weeks in past. its not coincidental im sure. i have enough experience to know if other factors were at play. maybe its strain dependant but i have super lemon haze, big bang regular and AMS all responding the same. Im not convinced its a better route than 18/6. im open minded and always willing to try new things but for me the con out ways the pro here. Its not cheaper because u have to run it longer, therefore u dont onlyt lose on electric but u also lose on time it takes for turn around. For example i usually run on a 10-11 week turn around, if i add 2-3 weeks extra veg per grow over 4 grows then i basically lose out on a full grow! dont tell me the money u save on electic amounts up to a full grow, no way, well not to the grows i do anyway. Also im yet to flip on the GLR schedule but i usually see flowers form within a week so if GLF shows flowers faster it can only be by a few days max, therefore overall its not worth it. Infact i can say i'd be vastly out of pocket by switching all my grows to GLR.
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id like to see an exact side by side jandre, ur making some very bold statements. 50% faster growth rates i just dont believe its down to GLRthat would take my veg time down to a week. for those that se my plants in 2 weeks i'd find it very hard to replicate in a week. If GLR was reaaly the way then the dutch masters would be there now and not waste time with there 24/7 or 18/6. I have lived and worked in holland in the industry and it isnt a the hot topic there. Im not slating methods, as i said im open minded and currently following the routine. i can only speak as i find.
Do u think it could be possible u also have a better understanding of growing since changing to GLR, therefore plants look healthier because u are growing better? I dont doubt ur integrity at all i just question if u really are applying exactly, eye for eye, what u were doing non GLR as opposed to GLR?
id like to see an exact side by side jandre, ur making some very bold statements. 50% faster growth rates i just dont believe its down to GLRthat would take my veg time down to a week. for those that se my plants in 2 weeks i'd find it very hard to replicate in a week. If GLR was reaaly the way then the dutch masters would be there now and not waste time with there 24/7 or 18/6. I have lived and worked in holland in the industry and it isnt a the hot topic there. Im not slating methods, as i said im open minded and currently following the routine. i can only speak as i find.
Do u think it could be possible u also have a better understanding of growing since changing to GLR, therefore plants look healthier because u are growing better? I dont doubt ur integrity at all i just question if u really are applying exactly, eye for eye, what u were doing non GLR as opposed to GLR?
Delocated420
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I dont want to come in and start any kind of arguement, but im totally on vick and Jandre's sides for the time being as i started using the GLR and have seen mind blowingly fast growth, and the overall health of the plants is miles above what id experienced before. My growing style and lights hasnt changed much so i really think that the GLR is more benificial, for me, not to say it is for all.. I just saw much faster growth and better health than anything ive ever experienced in the past 3 years playing on 16/8, 18/6, and 24/0.
I havent had a hardcore side by side comparison, but from my experience with other schedules, i found the GLR to be most sucessful.
I dont want to come in and start any kind of arguement, but im totally on vick and Jandre's sides for the time being as i started using the GLR and have seen mind blowingly fast growth, and the overall health of the plants is miles above what id experienced before. My growing style and lights hasnt changed much so i really think that the GLR is more benificial, for me, not to say it is for all.. I just saw much faster growth and better health than anything ive ever experienced in the past 3 years playing on 16/8, 18/6, and 24/0.
I havent had a hardcore side by side comparison, but from my experience with other schedules, i found the GLR to be most sucessful.
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yes sir, I will finish with the T5's. let me give you a little back history:
I got 9 Jack Flash seeds and 1 unknown sativa dom. strain seed. I started all of them in the areogarden which as you can see only has 7 holes so some I had to put 2 of them in one hole. I did that in 3 of the holes. This was for the simple purpose of A getting my Mother. Ok so follow me here, I always wanted to do the SOG set up from the get go. So I had the room ready to go way before seeds were planted. I started growing the seeds and much do my delight "ALL" were females! even the sativa one.
I thought I was going to end up with some males that would get trashed and some small females that I could give away or trash as well. My goal was and still is SOG, Buuutttt, LOL! I had all these beautiful healthy females
so I decided to go ahead and test my skills, my newly built grow room and my new found "knowledge" which I obtained by studying the "Jorge C. grower Bible" off and on for about 2yrs. Once in a place and single I decided to go for it!
Anyways moving on, LOL! Now I had to do something with all these females i.e. "Finish them" So I did and yes it has set back the original SOG grow mission, but its given me the very precious and invaluable experience I needed. I used the T5's with a mixed 70/30 ratio of red(3000k) to blue(6500k) color temps during flowering. Vick074 "no lie"
I had 7 beautiful 3.5' tall thick bushes with huge colas on every one of them. I was very paranoid of taking pics with my phone, lol! at the time so none were taken, except like 1 or 2 to show my brother then they would be deleted right away, LOL! I'm telling you the buds looked like snow covered frosty shiny jewels. all had to be staked or tied to hold em upright. This was my first grow bro! My first grow! OMG I'm hooked! I had buds thick as beer cans, bigger than my hand, dense as rocks and some that weighed as much as 14 grams after they were dried and cured! I was amazed all under low watt low heat T5's!!! 
And so with all that being said, LOL! I have had to switch the room back to veg for a little while to get back on track with my SOG grow mission. Which brings us back to, ha look at that we are!
How did we get here I forgot, LMAO!! 
I will be turning this room back into flowering cycle (12/12) on FEB 1. to start my and never veg in that room again. I will take my clones straight from the areogarden into flowering room. I'm going to go with either 2 or 3 weeks after taking cuttings from the mother. Im testing right now to see how much bigger they will get with 3 weeks in areogarden and so far looking really good. I will transplant those clones in pics and move them into the flowering room and then set it off!! I'm also going to take some more clones and flower out the mothers to Get new mothers. I also have some new seeds to play with in the near future. 6 Mr. Nice, 3 Og kush and 6 more unknown cali medical strains (Bagseeds)
Hey ramrod,
Thanks fore the invite brother.
Everything looks pretty good so far!
Nice, clean, tidy, and healthy. Just the way I like it!
I'm just wondering, because I couldn't find you explaining weather you have plans for other lighting or not.
Are you planning to flower in there as well? Or are you planning on building a separate flowering room? I have seen people veg and flower out crops with just T5's with ok success, but if that's your plan, you're going to have a lot of people on here trying to talk you into HID real quick . :: me being one of them..lol
well here's to a beautiful start!
I'm subbed and I'll be watching!
yes sir, I will finish with the T5's. let me give you a little back history:
I got 9 Jack Flash seeds and 1 unknown sativa dom. strain seed. I started all of them in the areogarden which as you can see only has 7 holes so some I had to put 2 of them in one hole. I did that in 3 of the holes. This was for the simple purpose of A getting my Mother. Ok so follow me here, I always wanted to do the SOG set up from the get go. So I had the room ready to go way before seeds were planted. I started growing the seeds and much do my delight "ALL" were females! even the sativa one.
I thought I was going to end up with some males that would get trashed and some small females that I could give away or trash as well. My goal was and still is SOG, Buuutttt, LOL! I had all these beautiful healthy females so I decided to go ahead and test my skills, my newly built grow room and my new found "knowledge" which I obtained by studying the "Jorge C. grower Bible" off and on for about 2yrs. Once in a place and single I decided to go for it! Anyways moving on, LOL! Now I had to do something with all these females i.e. "Finish them" So I did and yes it has set back the original SOG grow mission, but its given me the very precious and invaluable experience I needed. I used the T5's with a mixed 70/30 ratio of red(3000k) to blue(6500k) color temps during flowering. Vick074 "no lie"
I had 7 beautiful 3.5' tall thick bushes with huge colas on every one of them. I was very paranoid of taking pics with my phone, lol! at the time so none were taken, except like 1 or 2 to show my brother then they would be deleted right away, LOL! I'm telling you the buds looked like snow covered frosty shiny jewels. all had to be staked or tied to hold em upright. This was my first grow bro! My first grow! OMG I'm hooked! I had buds thick as beer cans, bigger than my hand, dense as rocks and some that weighed as much as 14 grams after they were dried and cured! I was amazed all under low watt low heat T5's!!! And so with all that being said, LOL! I have had to switch the room back to veg for a little while to get back on track with my SOG grow mission. Which brings us back to, ha look at that we are!
How did we get here I forgot, LMAO!! I will be turning this room back into flowering cycle (12/12) on FEB 1. to start my and never veg in that room again. I will take my clones straight from the areogarden into flowering room. I'm going to go with either 2 or 3 weeks after taking cuttings from the mother. Im testing right now to see how much bigger they will get with 3 weeks in areogarden and so far looking really good. I will transplant those clones in pics and move them into the flowering room and then set it off!! I'm also going to take some more clones and flower out the mothers to Get new mothers. I also have some new seeds to play with in the near future. 6 Mr. Nice, 3 Og kush and 6 more unknown cali medical strains (Bagseeds)
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yep its between to pop outs. there was a connecting wall and floor added to make 1 long closet like, So I built it out to be 2 closets, On the other side of that back grow wall is my Pantry w/door access from the front half/living room of trailer, LOL!! the pics are taken from back half/bedroom. I also have a screened in patio and laundry room additions on the front as well.
yep its between to pop outs. there was a connecting wall and floor added to make 1 long closet like, So I built it out to be 2 closets, On the other side of that back grow wall is my Pantry w/door access from the front half/living room of trailer, LOL!! the pics are taken from back half/bedroom. I also have a screened in patio and laundry room additions on the front as well.
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As I said.... exactly nothing changed but the lighting schedule.
I clone, and germ under 24/7, once the break, I go to GLR.
My mothers, before GLR under 18/6, I was getting about 1" per week. Under GLR, again, nothing changed but lighting, I was getting almost 2" per week growth, and the node spacing was actually tighter, not stretchy, and the stem girth was actually thicker, stronger, and greener. The plants in Veg actually started giving off their signature smell, even though there were no trichomes anywhere on the plants. Vigor, aroma, and the fact that I went from my usual 7 fingers per fan to 9, then eventually 11 for a while, tells me that GLR was working better than any other light regime I had used.... EVER... since 1993. Granted, when I joined here, I was new to hydro, but NOT to growing. I've been growing green things since I was a little boy, and understand plants very well. Cannabis is no different from that, it is well understood, and shouldn't even have been in question.
I'm not some . . . . never mind... moving on...
And just because the dutch don't use it doesn't mean it's not a good system... people are reluctant to change from what they've been doing for years... The same is true with business. What has worked in the past in ANYTHING business, the heads are reluctant to change a thing, for fear of losing profits.
I'll give you the link again ((( Gas lantern Routine - Diminishing Light ))) That is Twelve12's documentation of the whole process, and his findings. If you don't know who he is, it's no biggie... Here are some of his awards he won on this site before things went haywire at home, and had to lay low for a bit.
420 Magazine's 420 Member of the Year - 2011
420 Magazine's Nug of the Month - January 2012
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/member-month-october-2011-a.153607/
And that is just a quick list... I didn't go very far back in his active time here, just the very end. He actually won a few more contests in 2012, but I'm too tired to look them up. It doesn't have them on his title anymore, for some reason, but whatever.
I'm not trying to get you to use GLR; That's not my style. I'm simply relaying my personal experience (over a year of GLR) and showing documentation from a well respected member that unfortunately is no longer here due to the circumstances. Take it however you will. It's my experience, along with many others' that are using it, and that's it.
I'm not going to argue about it, so, yeah....
These plants below were cloned under 24/7 lighting, and then hardened off after rooting. They were moved into the box under 18/6 for 2 weeks. There was very little growth at all... maybe just about .75" so I decided to switch my lighting to GLR in the box, too, to let them veg a bit more. I was supposed to be switching to 12/12
Seedlings on the right, clones on the left.
The pic below is 30 days after being in the box, and 14 days after switching to GLR. Granted growth is still a bit small, but after 2 weeks of sickly growth, I believe GLR turned them around, by giving them a more healthy light schedule.
As I said.... exactly nothing changed but the lighting schedule.
I clone, and germ under 24/7, once the break, I go to GLR.
My mothers, before GLR under 18/6, I was getting about 1" per week. Under GLR, again, nothing changed but lighting, I was getting almost 2" per week growth, and the node spacing was actually tighter, not stretchy, and the stem girth was actually thicker, stronger, and greener. The plants in Veg actually started giving off their signature smell, even though there were no trichomes anywhere on the plants. Vigor, aroma, and the fact that I went from my usual 7 fingers per fan to 9, then eventually 11 for a while, tells me that GLR was working better than any other light regime I had used.... EVER... since 1993. Granted, when I joined here, I was new to hydro, but NOT to growing. I've been growing green things since I was a little boy, and understand plants very well. Cannabis is no different from that, it is well understood, and shouldn't even have been in question.
I'm not some . . . . never mind... moving on...
And just because the dutch don't use it doesn't mean it's not a good system... people are reluctant to change from what they've been doing for years... The same is true with business. What has worked in the past in ANYTHING business, the heads are reluctant to change a thing, for fear of losing profits.
I'll give you the link again ((( Gas lantern Routine - Diminishing Light ))) That is Twelve12's documentation of the whole process, and his findings. If you don't know who he is, it's no biggie... Here are some of his awards he won on this site before things went haywire at home, and had to lay low for a bit.
420 Magazine's 420 Member of the Year - 2011
420 Magazine's Nug of the Month - January 2012
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/member-month-october-2011-a.153607/
And that is just a quick list... I didn't go very far back in his active time here, just the very end. He actually won a few more contests in 2012, but I'm too tired to look them up. It doesn't have them on his title anymore, for some reason, but whatever.
I'm not trying to get you to use GLR; That's not my style. I'm simply relaying my personal experience (over a year of GLR) and showing documentation from a well respected member that unfortunately is no longer here due to the circumstances. Take it however you will. It's my experience, along with many others' that are using it, and that's it.
I'm not going to argue about it, so, yeah....
These plants below were cloned under 24/7 lighting, and then hardened off after rooting. They were moved into the box under 18/6 for 2 weeks. There was very little growth at all... maybe just about .75" so I decided to switch my lighting to GLR in the box, too, to let them veg a bit more. I was supposed to be switching to 12/12
Seedlings on the right, clones on the left.
The pic below is 30 days after being in the box, and 14 days after switching to GLR. Granted growth is still a bit small, but after 2 weeks of sickly growth, I believe GLR turned them around, by giving them a more healthy light schedule.
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i know twelve mate and read all his journals etc.
Ofcourse people are reluctant to change things when they are working fo them, but i am open to trying new ideas and grow techniques. i have alot of space so can pretty much do what i want for the most part with no constraints other than those i put on myself.
I dont doubt ur integrity either, i just felt 50% faster growth was a bold statement. As i am finding the opposite. Slower growth in veg by nearly double. my average veg time will be 16/17 days but up to 21 from clone. im now nearly on week 5 and plants just arent the size they should be. It has to be the GLR as conditions and nute regime is exactly the same as the run before it. GLR mustnt be suited to all strains. Like anything some strains will do better than others. the speed of growth i get in hydro regularly:
2 weeks under regular 18/6 lighting
2 weeks under GLR
sorry posted wrong pic, thats not GLR or 2 weeks in see below
the difference isnt even close. again maybe its strain dependant, this is my first run with GLR and i wont be going back to it. but hey if it works for others then thats great.
i know twelve mate and read all his journals etc.
Ofcourse people are reluctant to change things when they are working fo them, but i am open to trying new ideas and grow techniques. i have alot of space so can pretty much do what i want for the most part with no constraints other than those i put on myself.
I dont doubt ur integrity either, i just felt 50% faster growth was a bold statement. As i am finding the opposite. Slower growth in veg by nearly double. my average veg time will be 16/17 days but up to 21 from clone. im now nearly on week 5 and plants just arent the size they should be. It has to be the GLR as conditions and nute regime is exactly the same as the run before it. GLR mustnt be suited to all strains. Like anything some strains will do better than others. the speed of growth i get in hydro regularly:
2 weeks under regular 18/6 lighting
2 weeks under GLR
sorry posted wrong pic, thats not GLR or 2 weeks in see below
the difference isnt even close. again maybe its strain dependant, this is my first run with GLR and i wont be going back to it. but hey if it works for others then thats great.
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2 weeks GLR
2 weeks GLR
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Ummm... I'm sory to tell you, but there's a nute problem, there... You've got old growth going yellow on you, and the new growth isn't the right color either. That's not the lighting schedule, mate.
Be absolutely sure your pH pen is not going faulty on you, and that your pH is correct. If pH is correct after you've checked your pH pen, check your EC: You should be right around 1.7 to 1.8. If those are fine, check under your leaves. There's something more than just lights going on here.
Ummm... I'm sory to tell you, but there's a nute problem, there... You've got old growth going yellow on you, and the new growth isn't the right color either. That's not the lighting schedule, mate.
Be absolutely sure your pH pen is not going faulty on you, and that your pH is correct. If pH is correct after you've checked your pH pen, check your EC: You should be right around 1.7 to 1.8. If those are fine, check under your leaves. There's something more than just lights going on here.
