Update on the reply to the update. I didn’t even notice and I’m straight... which is a worry.Just an update on the update. I accidently posted photos from 3 days ago.Please go back and check them out again.
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420 Magazine Official NextLight LED Grow Journal By Brett Blaze
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Veg Day 22 - 35 days total
I decided to do ScrOG screen for training. The bed already has the PVC corner fittings to add 12" long PVC legs. I can then put some stretch 4" netting.
I pruned a few of the lower fan leaves and some that were blocking lower branches. Nothing too drastic. Then tucked some other under the lower branches.
Veg Day 22 - 35 days total
I decided to do ScrOG screen for training. The bed already has the PVC corner fittings to add 12" long PVC legs. I can then put some stretch 4" netting.
I pruned a few of the lower fan leaves and some that were blocking lower branches. Nothing too drastic. Then tucked some other under the lower branches.
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Veg Day 25 - 38 days total
With a little less than 2 weeks (estimated) left in veg all all looking pretty good and aer growing quickly since they were transplanted to the bed. The back left still has yellow tips showing on new leaves which I can't guess what is causing it. Since this is new soil the nutrients in the bed should be fine still and I am guessing it may still be environmental. The other GDP (front left) also shows some of the sane signs. I just watered this morning so prior to the next watering I will top dress with the @GeoFlora Nutrients Veg formula. I didn't water heavily only a couple gallons in a 65 gallon bed which is about 3% of the total volume. 5% to 10% of the volume or 3 to 6 gallons of water can be used at each watering. I may water again with the GeoFlora veg in a couple of days.
Veg Day 25 - 38 days total
With a little less than 2 weeks (estimated) left in veg all all looking pretty good and aer growing quickly since they were transplanted to the bed. The back left still has yellow tips showing on new leaves which I can't guess what is causing it. Since this is new soil the nutrients in the bed should be fine still and I am guessing it may still be environmental. The other GDP (front left) also shows some of the sane signs. I just watered this morning so prior to the next watering I will top dress with the @GeoFlora Nutrients Veg formula. I didn't water heavily only a couple gallons in a 65 gallon bed which is about 3% of the total volume. 5% to 10% of the volume or 3 to 6 gallons of water can be used at each watering. I may water again with the GeoFlora veg in a couple of days.
Brett they look great!
And your photography is on fleek
And your photography is on fleek
They are looking awesome Blaze!!! I'm going to end up going with big 30 gallon bags for the auto grow in the next round. The 4x4 bed will have to wait until I can dedicate a space for it. I don't think I want that in my tent. My current idea/dream for more indoor space should be awesome. When reality hits...it might be quite ghettofied for a while until I can sell my body enough times to fund the idea. The ladies at the old folks home keep throwing dollar coins and that shit is starting to really hurt.
Uhhh...I am fairly certain when you accepted the staff position that @420 had it written somewhere in VERY small text that you MUST be stoned in order to post here?! Otherwise how would we ever understand what the hell you are ever talking about?! Go get your head checked...something is wrong with you today.
I mean, we already can't understand anything @InTheShed talks about...so you see...Blaze MUST be blazed to post!
I tried the whole tucking thing and it didn't seem to work much for me. The leaves would eventually maneuver themselves back where they want to be. Or the air flow would move them back. My understanding is to improve light to bud sites. Correct? All while NOT removing an energy panel (leaf). If simply moving it doesn't really work all the time, is it better to just snip them off and move on? Does losing too many leaves cause weird hormone issues or is this a photo vs auto growth reasoning?
Honestly, it seems like a waste of time to me NOT removing them permanently. Force the plant to grow fresh vegetative growth takes away from the bud sites? I don't think that's how it works. I was under the impression that the plant generally has an amount of hormones calculated to your future/existing bud sites. As changes occur it simply recalculates its needs. Less vegetative growth to support and it increases production elsewhere? I did some major pruning and ignored some branches. The branches pruned heavily and often produced some beautiful bud growth. The branches left almost alone except for topping, all produced weak branching and lots of lower larfy growth. The primary buds were also smaller.
I saw improvements with removing the fan leaves that were in the way. I also tried to shape the plant to have more lower branches with fan leaves. That way I could keep plenty of leaves producing energy. I don't think I needed to do that either. I was running into ignorance hurdles along the way with my plants. I think had I not stressed them so much, they would have never skipped a beat with any of the pruning I did.
I could be completely off base too...I am currently not stoned and it makes me question everything coming out of my brain.
***Side note about the Build-a-Soil YouTube Series we are both following***
Did you see the container covers that Jeremy used in a recent video in the 10x10? I REALLY like that idea of giving the worms some full time coverage to keep them working on the surface. My struggle in the last grow was definitely getting the topdress down into the soil enough and it getting too dry in between waterings and not getting processed. I'm thinking a simple weed fabric or cut up an old fabric pot to make soil covers? Thoughts? Oxygen restriction issues?
STRANGER DANGER!!! Aliens took Brett!One reason you should not post stoned.
Uhhh...I am fairly certain when you accepted the staff position that @420 had it written somewhere in VERY small text that you MUST be stoned in order to post here?! Otherwise how would we ever understand what the hell you are ever talking about?! Go get your head checked...something is wrong with you today.
I mean, we already can't understand anything @InTheShed talks about...so you see...Blaze MUST be blazed to post!
Ok...bare with me. I brought Shed into the convo above on purpose to Segway into my questions/opinion/rebuttal below.
I tried the whole tucking thing and it didn't seem to work much for me. The leaves would eventually maneuver themselves back where they want to be. Or the air flow would move them back. My understanding is to improve light to bud sites. Correct? All while NOT removing an energy panel (leaf). If simply moving it doesn't really work all the time, is it better to just snip them off and move on? Does losing too many leaves cause weird hormone issues or is this a photo vs auto growth reasoning?
Honestly, it seems like a waste of time to me NOT removing them permanently. Force the plant to grow fresh vegetative growth takes away from the bud sites? I don't think that's how it works. I was under the impression that the plant generally has an amount of hormones calculated to your future/existing bud sites. As changes occur it simply recalculates its needs. Less vegetative growth to support and it increases production elsewhere? I did some major pruning and ignored some branches. The branches pruned heavily and often produced some beautiful bud growth. The branches left almost alone except for topping, all produced weak branching and lots of lower larfy growth. The primary buds were also smaller.
I saw improvements with removing the fan leaves that were in the way. I also tried to shape the plant to have more lower branches with fan leaves. That way I could keep plenty of leaves producing energy. I don't think I needed to do that either. I was running into ignorance hurdles along the way with my plants. I think had I not stressed them so much, they would have never skipped a beat with any of the pruning I did.
I could be completely off base too...I am currently not stoned and it makes me question everything coming out of my brain.
Quick ? - Do you move the straw between your topdress applications and then put it back? Or topdress on top of the straw and cover it with another layer after. Lasagna?
***Side note about the Build-a-Soil YouTube Series we are both following***
Did you see the container covers that Jeremy used in a recent video in the 10x10? I REALLY like that idea of giving the worms some full time coverage to keep them working on the surface. My struggle in the last grow was definitely getting the topdress down into the soil enough and it getting too dry in between waterings and not getting processed. I'm thinking a simple weed fabric or cut up an old fabric pot to make soil covers? Thoughts? Oxygen restriction issues?
The guy who invented the Segway is thrilled that his spelling has supplanted segue in auto-correct dictionaries!
Without having to read back, are you talking about taking leaves in veg or in flower?
Taking a leaf here and there won't be noticed by the plant, but any major thinning will cause the plant to grow new fans (plants know how many fans they need). Do that in flower and the plant is re-growing fans instead of growing buds. That's why I do my lollipopping in veg and my larf pruning (leaving the fans on the plant) in flower.
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See below. Accidently posted twice.
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Yes all the tucking just came back in a few hours. Tried something and it really didn't work.
I will be doing a major prune in the next few days. I am estimating 10 days to flip. Maybe less. They have really exploded in the last few days.
I will be applying the @GeoFlora Nutrients on top of the straw mulch and work it in with my fingers so it settles down. The watering should get it all down to the soil area. At least that's the idea.
Here is a photo to show how much they have grown in the last two days.
I will be doing a major prune in the next few days. I am estimating 10 days to flip. Maybe less. They have really exploded in the last few days.
I will be applying the @GeoFlora Nutrients on top of the straw mulch and work it in with my fingers so it settles down. The watering should get it all down to the soil area. At least that's the idea.
Here is a photo to show how much they have grown in the last two days.
Isn't that the damned truth! I thought the same thing after I posted it and saw the autocorrect. Lol
Great point! I meant in Veg.
This is where I didn't do so good. I wasn't sure if what I thought could possibly make it and ended up leaving it on too long. Then I was in flower realizing it wouldn't amount to much. I wish I would have snipped ALL of that off a few weeks before going into flower. Easier to understand the WHY behind all the lessons being preached here.
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Veg Day 28 - 41 days total
Today was pruning and top dressing day. It's been 12 days since transplanting into the 3 x 3 bed and time to top dress with @GeoFlora Nutrients Veg formula.
I removed most of the larger fan leaves and did a brief lollipop. Because I have a couple more weeks of veg I left some questionable lower branches to see how they grow with the light blocking fan leaves out of the way. All the removed leaves were placed in the worm bin.
They always look so bad after pruning.
Because of the volume of the bed, which is about 8 to 9 cu ft., the dosage recommended is 8 oz. per cu ft. or 8 to 9 cups. I went with half of that (4 cups) since less is usually better and I can always add more. I put 2 cups in front then another 2 cups in the back. Then spread and worked it in through the straw mulch with my fingers.
After applying the top dressing I watered with 2 1/2 gallons of "treated" water. The water included 3/8 tsp of Quillaja Saponaria Extract Powder (wetting agent), 3/8 tsp of Aloe Vera Powder Flakes, 1 1/2 tsp of Mycrobe additive and 20 ml of @Sierra Natural Science 209. SNS 209 provides a barrier for plants to protect them against damaging insects. In particular fungus gnats. The SNS-209 barrier is harmless to the plant but distasteful to Aphids, Mites, other insects and some molds. SNS-209 Systemic Insect Control is made up of 100% pure botanical extracts that are highly water soluble.
Ok I took that last bit of info from their page. The main thing when using SNS 209 is to apply early in the veg stage and always add it to any added water all the way through harvest. It won't hurt the plants or any living organisms. It makes the roots of the plants taste bad to fungus gnat larva. The damage from fungus gnats comes from the larvae which feed on the roots. When an insect starts to suck or chew on the plant it comes in contact with the rosemeric acid in the SPS 209 and causes the insect to stop eating and move on.
The Saponaria Extract Powder is a wetting agent and allows the water to evenly spread through the bed. It foams up when mixed.
The water solution was placed in the sprayer. One of the best investments I made. It makes watering so much easier. The 1 gallon per minute nozzle is perfect for large watering and the .5 gal per minute is good for foliar spraying.
I upgraded the tent humidifier a while back. I actually like the previous one better but I had to fill it 2 to 3 times a day. I can go all day with this one. Just refilling each morning The part I don't like is I can't use it with the Inkbird humidity probe monitor. The Inkbird removes power to the humidifier to control the humidity. When power is removed from this new one it does not come back on when power is reapplied. It does have a built in hygrometer so I can set the RH at 70% but it's not as accurate as the probe.
Veg Day 28 - 41 days total
Today was pruning and top dressing day. It's been 12 days since transplanting into the 3 x 3 bed and time to top dress with @GeoFlora Nutrients Veg formula.
I removed most of the larger fan leaves and did a brief lollipop. Because I have a couple more weeks of veg I left some questionable lower branches to see how they grow with the light blocking fan leaves out of the way. All the removed leaves were placed in the worm bin.
They always look so bad after pruning.
Because of the volume of the bed, which is about 8 to 9 cu ft., the dosage recommended is 8 oz. per cu ft. or 8 to 9 cups. I went with half of that (4 cups) since less is usually better and I can always add more. I put 2 cups in front then another 2 cups in the back. Then spread and worked it in through the straw mulch with my fingers.
After applying the top dressing I watered with 2 1/2 gallons of "treated" water. The water included 3/8 tsp of Quillaja Saponaria Extract Powder (wetting agent), 3/8 tsp of Aloe Vera Powder Flakes, 1 1/2 tsp of Mycrobe additive and 20 ml of @Sierra Natural Science 209. SNS 209 provides a barrier for plants to protect them against damaging insects. In particular fungus gnats. The SNS-209 barrier is harmless to the plant but distasteful to Aphids, Mites, other insects and some molds. SNS-209 Systemic Insect Control is made up of 100% pure botanical extracts that are highly water soluble.
Ok I took that last bit of info from their page. The main thing when using SNS 209 is to apply early in the veg stage and always add it to any added water all the way through harvest. It won't hurt the plants or any living organisms. It makes the roots of the plants taste bad to fungus gnat larva. The damage from fungus gnats comes from the larvae which feed on the roots. When an insect starts to suck or chew on the plant it comes in contact with the rosemeric acid in the SPS 209 and causes the insect to stop eating and move on.
The Saponaria Extract Powder is a wetting agent and allows the water to evenly spread through the bed. It foams up when mixed.
The water solution was placed in the sprayer. One of the best investments I made. It makes watering so much easier. The 1 gallon per minute nozzle is perfect for large watering and the .5 gal per minute is good for foliar spraying.
I upgraded the tent humidifier a while back. I actually like the previous one better but I had to fill it 2 to 3 times a day. I can go all day with this one. Just refilling each morning The part I don't like is I can't use it with the Inkbird humidity probe monitor. The Inkbird removes power to the humidifier to control the humidity. When power is removed from this new one it does not come back on when power is reapplied. It does have a built in hygrometer so I can set the RH at 70% but it's not as accurate as the probe.
Good morning Mr Blaze
Your grow is looking as perfectamoondo as always
Happy Saturday to you.
Your grow is looking as perfectamoondo as always
Happy Saturday to you.
I did the same and regret it. Granted that was with a photoperiod but they never amounted to anything for me. Well most of them didn't. I did get a couple that pushed hard to the edge and then made it up to the mid canopy. Didn't get as much direct light but enough to at produce some decent buds.
On my list too! I was just on their website last night. $40 though?! I guess if it's magic, it's worth the price. That stuff looks like it works miracles with watering the larger pots evenly. Again, I think watering was a major contribution to my issues. I very well could have caused big air pockets with my inconsistent watering.
I like the big sprayer too! So does it discharge the correct volume no matter what pressure is left in the tank? Only does it require a certain psi coming out of the tank to maintain that flow?
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Looking great! Guess I'm a little late to the party... I'll pull up a chair... I love your grow bed! I have a similar 9 cf bed in my grow shed, I was growing some spinach, lettuce and bok choy. I need to get that going again.
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Welcome aboard Vegan.
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Just a quick update showing the plants 6 hours after pruning. Time to start with the trellis and training as these ladies look ready to take off.
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No, as pressure goes down so does the volume. I just spray until it's empty and measure the amount I want to water beforehand. In this case I put 2 1/2 gallons in the sprayer.
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Veg Day 32 - 45 days total
I'm only a few days away from flipping based on the size of the plants. I will schedule the flip for Saturday. That means I need to do a major prune later today or tomorrow at the latest. The top of the plants are about 17" high and if I want to have these stay a reasonable height after flipping it needs to be done before they get to 20". Even then I could end up with 60" plants if they triple during the stretch.
I placed the added PVC so I can add the trellis. The trellis is 3' x 3' and the bed is actually more like 33" x 33" so it's not a perfect fit. I have a 4' x 4' trellis I could attach to the tent poles but I felt it would get it the way. The top of the trellis is at the same level as the plants are today. It was only a 7" added PVC but ends up being 17" overall. As they stretch I will add another trellis 12" or so above this one.
I removed the trellis after taking the picture so I can prune. That means I need to get off my ass today and start pruning.
Really nice growth over the last 4 days. The top dressing and watering last week paid off. As I said in my last update "these ladies look ready to take off" and they did.
Veg Day 32 - 45 days total
I'm only a few days away from flipping based on the size of the plants. I will schedule the flip for Saturday. That means I need to do a major prune later today or tomorrow at the latest. The top of the plants are about 17" high and if I want to have these stay a reasonable height after flipping it needs to be done before they get to 20". Even then I could end up with 60" plants if they triple during the stretch.
I placed the added PVC so I can add the trellis. The trellis is 3' x 3' and the bed is actually more like 33" x 33" so it's not a perfect fit. I have a 4' x 4' trellis I could attach to the tent poles but I felt it would get it the way. The top of the trellis is at the same level as the plants are today. It was only a 7" added PVC but ends up being 17" overall. As they stretch I will add another trellis 12" or so above this one.
I removed the trellis after taking the picture so I can prune. That means I need to get off my ass today and start pruning.
Really nice growth over the last 4 days. The top dressing and watering last week paid off. As I said in my last update "these ladies look ready to take off" and they did.
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Ok I got off my ass and lollipopped these ladies. I made an imaginary line around 2" to 3" above the edge of the bed and everything below was removed. I also removed any larger light blocking fan leaves as before. It still looks pretty thick but all the main branches are getting light. Since I want to flip in 3 days this is about as late as I wanted to wait for lollipopping. Lollipopping too close or right after flipping can stall the plant from going into flower by a several days.
After pruning I water with another 2 1/2 gallons. This time I added the Quillaja Saponaria Extract Powder wetting agent and @Sierra Natural Science SNS 209 as before. In addition, I added 5ml per gal of Purpinator. You can add Purpinator at the beginning of Veg but I wanted to wait until late Veg. After flipping I will increase the amount to 10 ml per gallon then increase per the instructions until harvest.
Rocky came by to see if I was doing it right.
Ok I got off my ass and lollipopped these ladies. I made an imaginary line around 2" to 3" above the edge of the bed and everything below was removed. I also removed any larger light blocking fan leaves as before. It still looks pretty thick but all the main branches are getting light. Since I want to flip in 3 days this is about as late as I wanted to wait for lollipopping. Lollipopping too close or right after flipping can stall the plant from going into flower by a several days.
After pruning I water with another 2 1/2 gallons. This time I added the Quillaja Saponaria Extract Powder wetting agent and @Sierra Natural Science SNS 209 as before. In addition, I added 5ml per gal of Purpinator. You can add Purpinator at the beginning of Veg but I wanted to wait until late Veg. After flipping I will increase the amount to 10 ml per gallon then increase per the instructions until harvest.
Rocky came by to see if I was doing it right.
Brett what do you base your flip choice date on?
My plant is the same age and I feel she’s too young to flip lollll
They look beautiful btw. Really beautiful.
My plant is the same age and I feel she’s too young to flip lollll
They look beautiful btw. Really beautiful.
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