400W To 1600W Spring Growing

FLower Room Update

Ahh it has been 25 days since flipping to their flowering cycle the timer has been lowered by a half hour for three weeks. They are now on 12/12 for the next two weeks. Winniepeg showed her first pistils on the 27th of March so today will count as 17 days since showing. CHer showed pistils about a week later and looks like shes falling behind. Winniepeg has been pushing flowers at a steady pace. Both got a scoop of FF fruit and flower, with vermibrix and vermifeast. I've been reading Doc Bud's journal about his kit looking for answers on the cat drench. from what I read it was giving the plants a feeding of Ammoniacal nitrogen to boost resin production as it stimulates the reproduction process (forgive me if this was misstated.) Anyway I noticed that the N content which is super low in both products has trace amounts of Ammoniacal Nitrogen so adding it should help boost growth in theory.

When I opened the tent last night, both girls were thirsty and in need of a good drenching. They both shared 3 gallons of rain water and left a slight runoff. An hour after getting a drink they perked up and resumed their normal growing business. On Monday I noticed thrips doing a little dance along the leafs so I proceeded to spray them with neem and insect soap twice in 3 days before their sundown. It seemed to cause some burning of the pistils but if its between that and a bug problem I will choose that.

Here is Cher under t5 light. She has yellowing in the middle due to both getting an aggressive lollipopping. I expected both plants to stretch much more but got nothing. I worry this was because I had to move them twice and I caused stress. Either way I worry they will suffer from it. I like the Idea of the net but I don't think its worth the trouble of wanting more stretch. With more stretch the branches would have been more spaced apart.
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Here is Winniepeg. She still stretched out nicely although she has some space in between bud her resin production is coming along as planned.
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Here is a close up of the bud sites with the curling hairs. She's looking good
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Here are Cher's bud sites. you can see where the thrips attacked.
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Here are the average temps. The day is usually in the 80s and the night time temp have been consistently 65 since I made the swamp cooler. I hope to run it this summer and get the same temperature readings.
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That's it for now. I will have pictures of the outdoor girls tonight.
 
I almost forgot. I wanted to show how much I had to take out from under the screen after I saw them stop stretching. I don't have a before picture but you can see how low I had to trim the branches. I feel it was the aggressive lollipopping that caused the lack of stretch. Note to self, next time just to one trimming before the start of flowering. I will use the same light schedule to see if I get the lack of stretch.

Winniepeg's undercarriage
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Cher's undercarriage
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I think they look pretty cleaned up if you'd as me
 
Outdoor Update

So I took a gander at my girls about a month back and I can't believe how much they have filled out. I wasn't sure what to expect from small plants, but they showed me that everyone should be taken seriously.

Here's a group shot on March 7th
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Here is a close up on their buds. This was before I gave them a high nitrogen worm tea.
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This is a group shot of them today
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BUD PORN TIME
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:drool: I have never felt so at the end of my patience. I am waiting for the seeds to mature before I can chop chop :Namaste:
 
Now roaming around the yard you may find an assortment of weird characters and strange beings. All yards have them and Mine is home to quite a few. :cheesygrinsmiley:

Here are a cluster of cannabi that scarfed down on worm compost tea. I don't know the nitrogen content of it but I have cut out all nitrogen from their diet for about a month. They are still leafing out and almost look like a couple of revegging girls. They have seeds hidden within.
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this girl was a weirdo form the inside tent. I was scared she was turning into a male when I put her outside. What I saw was her turn tiny little clusters at her top into little buds with light pink tipped hairs. I was astonished at her because the beginning bud sites showed no hairs and overnight she burst out pistils.
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These are my mature babies. They have a range of tops that have been backbuilt and left alone. They are almost finished with some seeds poking out of their buds. They range from a week or two left which is disappointing since I would have loved some 420 hash from them. I am waiting for the visual clue from the seeds but as the light outside geting longer and longer I wonder if they are flowering at their leisure because they know they can reveg if they take long enough. These plants know so much.

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A young transplant hanging towering over the mature girls.
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Here's another girl that gor good backbuilding training. You can see the width here.
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This girl seems to be an early finisher. I have been giving all the girls plain water for about a week and a half.
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Here is a plant that has good examples of buds that were given backbuilding training. I pinched off the buds from the top about 3 weeks ago when I noticed the nug start to foxtail. I have never seen such a stack in diameter. I feel that without the topping each bud would be nice and long but lack the real girth of the champion nugs.
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Here are the nugs that weren't topped
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Here's the girl I've been calling the Satellite plant because the leaves have been bending and stretching to reach the sun. This one also has super strong fibers inside of each leaf. They look and feel like Strings. I'll take another cutting and see if I can take a picture of it. One of the leaves I pinched off the other day had supercropped markings on it.
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I feel like it will never end :cheesygrinsmiley:

This is a loner in the middle of my veggie garden. It has a structure similar to the satellite plant but the buds are closer together (Less DR.Grinspoon) I've noticed some plants getting a foxtail structure that looks almost like a DR.Grinspoon plant. I believe this was due to a worm tea mix, plus giving the leftovers of my veg nutes for the first month of flower. I dunno. Some look like this some don't
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Here is another patch of kiddies with a satellite structure one in the middle. This patch shows how the plants reacted to the same feeding. I believe this patch had seeds from several plants mixed in. once culled It seems to have been a TD seed and a P1.2 seed just guessing though.

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Heres a closeup of the Satellite buds
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Here is one of the gems of the Garden, I am not sure what to think of this girl. It has been really lucky to not have scarfed the feedings I gave the others. The buds are have the sent of grapes and have a light purple hue. I live the density and structure despite not being backbuilt. I wish I took a cutting from her in time. This will be my main focus for a revegging summer project.
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Almost finished with all the outdoor girls. :Namaste::thanks:
 
And here are the last of the girls. These were transplanted at the end of Febuary after I felt they wouldn't benefit from being over crowded inside. They were planted in with a tomato plant and they took off and flowered like crazy. This first one has the best scent out of all the plants in the yard. Most smell like sour candy but this one is SUPER sweet. I am surprised and scared of a critter thinking its a fruit and running off with it.
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This is another in the same planter. Very heavy sour smell with this one.
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This girl was knocked over when a heavy storm hit. She seems fine with growing like this.
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And here is the tallest of the bunch. I am not a fan of the tall stretch. I wish it was filled in like the first one but I cant complain with genetics doing their thing.
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Ahh and the dirty old man that knocked up the girls. I don't know what else to say to him other than thank you for your service. I hope your offspring do their duty. Good luck soldier :bravo:
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This was just a bunch of seeds that were scattered among the broccoli
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Whew I a tired. If anyone read through all this outdoor rambling :thanks:

I would like to know how anyone else's outdoor is doing this time of year. :Namaste:
 
Hey HiddenGrow....came on over after seeing you over my way. Good journal...all caught up. Your indoor girls look very healthy, great shade of green. No harm to switch straight to 12/12 if you wish when you start flower. Will get things going faster starting. Plants don't mind at all. Since you lean organic, urea, ammonium, & nitrate forms of N are synthetic salts. Promotes elongation...fast, green growth by pushing water up into plants. With your high rH not the best, can make them more susceptible to PM w/ all that water content. Consider plant based N. Lots of interesting projects you have going on. :thumb: :Namaste:
 
Are those all females or are some males? some look big weird haven't actually never seen males plants in real life only pics =)

Hey Ultra there was only one male in the second to last pic, literally on his last branches. He has been outside and moved around here and there beaten and abused. I kept him because early on there was trichomes on his leaves and on the flowering sites. He smelled of regular weed and I thought he was a keeper good enough for everyone in the yard in fact. You can get a better idea of what they look like mid flower in this photo. The weird ones are just a phenotype from the fact that they are all similar.

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Hey HiddenGrow....came on over after seeing you over my way. Good journal...all caught up. Your indoor girls look very healthy, great shade of green. No harm to switch straight to 12/12 if you wish when you start flower. Will get things going faster starting. Plants don't mind at all. Since you lean organic, urea, ammonium, & nitrate forms of N are synthetic salts. Promotes elongation...fast, green growth by pushing water up into plants. With your high rH not the best, can make them more susceptible to PM w/ all that water content. Consider plant based N. Lots of interesting projects you have going on. :thumb: :Namaste:

Hi there Brightlight :welcome: to hell! :hugs: I usually go with the flow and go straight 12/12, but I wanna try something I've been seeing around. People wanna mimic the sun in any way they can. I'm a little confused about the different sources of nitrogen. Had to do a little reading to double check but I see conflicting opinions all over the place. From my understanding Nitrogen is available in nature in those forms but most fertilizers containing that is synthetically produced. The worm tea my worm bin produces is high in nitrate nitrogen and te outdoor plants when fed that gobbled it up and they became weird freaks because of it.

https://davleyorganics.files.wordpr...xplained-beyond-a-simple-element-analysis.pdf

Here the author talks about worms breaking down organic material so the nutrients are available. There's mention of a comparative between vermicast and compost, which finds higher levels of nitrates in the vermicast. Anyway I can only assume since there's so much worm urine and other business in the mix that the worm tea would have many types of nitrogen depending on how much greens and coffee grounds you fed them.

I was curious about the Ammoniacal Nitrogen because its mentioned in the first page of Doc Buds Q&A journal as a flowering simulator. I'm sure his high brix method is organic. Here is the product picture of what I am using as a bloom boosters and tea brew Let me know what you think:thankyou:

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Before I wrap it up just some info from the WIKI about Ammoniacal Nitrogen

Ammonia and mineral forms of Nitrogen

There are 3 main forms of nitrogen:
Molecular nitrogen
Mineral nitrogen
Organic nitrogen

Molecular nitrogen
Molecular nitrogen is the gas form of nitrogen in the atmosphere. The chemical structure for nitrogen gas is N2.

Mineral nitrogen
The mineral forms of nitrogen are:
Nitrate with the chemical structure of NO−
3
Nitrite with the chemical structure of NO−
2
Ammonium ions, with the chemical structure of NH+
4
Ammoniums ions are nitrified and are converted by microorganisms into nitrate. Fish and humans are more tolerant of nitrate nitrogen than they are of ammonium nitrogen. In well aerated water, most of the mineral nitrogen is in the form of nitrate.[6] See Main article: Nitrogen cycle

Organic nitrogen
Major organic forms of nitrogen include proteins, amino acids, DNA, and RNA.


Anyway I would love to hear more about this because I know literally what I can see and touch. Some may have seen and touched more than me. and we all hear about it..... Sorry for the Rambles :rofl: been up too late, I'm thinking crazy :thankyou:
 
NightMare Update 28th day of switch

The Freaking LED shit out two rows of lights of its veg portion. I wonder if that's the diodes, the fuses, or the Driver. Ugh Probably a driver since a row went out on me. Well that makes things difficult, but I have to finish this grow. Anyone know of what brand of COB chips I should use to upgrade this beast? I'm also wondering if I should replace the drivers as well or If I should leave them. I can't wait to design my own light, If anyone at all has had any experience with DIY COB lighting please chime in. Here's a picture of the issue :lot-o-toke:

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Anyway the girls are chugging and chooing. I noticed the thrips have returned for round three so Imma go for the kill and do a spray when lights go off at 9am and again at 9pm when lights start on. Hopefully I can time it so there's no burn on any hairs this time. I also will fill the top of their pots with perlite to hopefully keep those bastards from hiding.

This was them two days ago I am not sure when I did my foliar spray last but it singed the hairs and its now almost unnoticeable
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The revegging clones got perlite on their pots.
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The plants are pushing and pushing their lady parts to the limit. Winniepeg 20th day of flowering (Right) is starting to get a nice amount of trichomes on the leaves coming out. I really wish I could have had more stretch from them. Cher (Left) is starting to push her pistils out and is getting trichs on the leaves too. She's 1.5 weeks behind in flower since her pistils are just popping out.

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Thank you all for reading :Namaste: Goodnight
 
That sucks man! that's the reason why i still say no to LED's decided to go with CMH for next grow well if you want good LED's i'd say budmaster they using Osram LED's but the budmaster panels cost like hell 1200dollars for 450w panel also Cree is good company good 2nd choise in the test's if you want to go ham Spectrum king sk600 that's 600watts. but i don't know if you want to do DIY lights then i guess vero 29 is very popular DIY kit. i'd say look into CMH tech you save lot of cash vs LED's CMH is best bang for your buck if you wan't "old" bulb lights
 
Bummer dude. Is it still under warranty? Try to diagnose the problem with pictures and get them to send you a new driver asap. Should be a pretty easy fix.

Looks like you're down 60 diodes out of 324, so the light should still be operating at 81.5%. Maybe you can lower it a few inches to compensate for the loss until you're back up to full power.
 
Hi there Brightlight :welcome: to hell! :hugs: I usually go with the flow and go straight 12/12, but I wanna try something I've been seeing around. People wanna mimic the sun in any way they can. I'm a little confused about the different sources of nitrogen. Had to do a little reading to double check but I see conflicting opinions all over the place. From my understanding Nitrogen is available in nature in those forms but most fertilizers containing that is synthetically produced. The worm tea my worm bin produces is high in nitrate nitrogen and te outdoor plants when fed that gobbled it up and they became weird freaks because of it.

https://davleyorganics.files.wordpr...xplained-beyond-a-simple-element-analysis.pdf

Here the author talks about worms breaking down organic material so the nutrients are available. There's mention of a comparative between vermicast and compost, which finds higher levels of nitrates in the vermicast. Anyway I can only assume since there's so much worm urine and other business in the mix that the worm tea would have many types of nitrogen depending on how much greens and coffee grounds you fed them.

I was curious about the Ammoniacal Nitrogen because its mentioned in the first page of Doc Buds Q&A journal as a flowering simulator. I'm sure his high brix method is organic. Here is the product picture of what I am using as a bloom boosters and tea brew Let me know what you think:thankyou:

Anyway I would love to hear more about this because I know literally what I can see and touch. Some may have seen and touched more than me. and we all hear about it..... Sorry for the Rambles :rofl: been up too late, I'm thinking crazy :thankyou:

Good info on N. The nitrogen cycle is a fuzzy thing to understand completely. But you're right about the 3 forms of N as both synthetic & organic states. But in synthetics those N numbers are much too high for me. The mineralization process in organics tames & slows things up. My N usage is low compared to most....but I use lots of amino acids. Likely far more than most growers. N fixation bacteria is another good & gentle natural N source. :Namaste:
 
It's nice to be busy :thanks: for all the people that waited and helped me along this journal. I recently started working again full time and I haven't had time to take as much pictures or updated this thread.

A quick summary of what I've been up to. Slowly harvesting all the plants since the beginning of the month. Some were plucked before their prime and were a little fluffy, some a little after their prime. The most recent being cut today. They all will be made into a hash, which has been annoying because I am plucking the seeds from each as I make the hash. I have been doing a dry sift method to harvest the hash. Pictures will be coming soon :slide::tokin:
 
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