I got them from Barney's Farm, I 've had great results with them, I'm growing crimeea blue and morning glory their both Barney's too. Real stable inter-structure and respond kilier to topping.G-13 is a company I like alot to, I think I've got 2 or 3 of theirs comming up, and their also doing well. I was thinking of doing a mixed journal. I'm learning to shape a plant and make it bush up with topping and a little weigh down. kinda manic writing today. my med box needs to be replinished.