3 x Indica - LED & HPS

re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

I defoliated the plants 2 weeks ago , I would say they have recovered

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2 weeks later

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These were grown out using 4 of the cheapest Mars panels and is a good example of LED's abilities to pump out growth.

I see unhappy people who blame Mars led panels for their failed grow when it was a issue like nutrient abuse etc. There are no other options then the growers own hand , which narrows the problem down to them or you..funny but true

if your having issues don't let Pride get in the way ask for help :peace:
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

I am glad I read up on LED's before I bought a knock off of a knock off ...

its my 2nd grow using them first time they Rocked like I said I grew near 1lb of Bud that is doing me well. I have about 6 weeks to go and 4 Oz left.

I think I'll make it ..

I read about Mars here on 420 when I had first joined , before that I knew nothing about LED panels. I have always used HPS with light movers or cooltubes, this is my first time trying one vertical.

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Update

I mixed up a tbsp / 25ml of bat guano in boiling water for a instant phosphorous treatment.
I added in Bud Candy Terpinator and Calimagic+ and divided it into four 1 gallon servings.

This Bat Guano is 0-17-0 , I use it as a Bloom booster.


You will notice I use very little nutrients very little because the Pro mix has nutrients in it and i only want to enhance it , not overload it.

Remember less is more !
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

The trellis is 6.5' x 12' ft with 6 x 7 inch squares

I picked up two of these packs , one for each plant , the plan is to put the stakes and trellis around each plant individualistically in its pot so I can continue to rotate them.


The netting is near translucent and is thicker then the common flimsy netting.

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I got them for $8 each at a local hardware store but nevertheless plan to keep them full length for future use.
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

Looking great over here LEDBud

Your monster girls look like they are going to give you a plentiful yield :)

I usually do my big defoliation a couple of days before I flip to 12/12 so as not to slow them down at all in flower and I have noticed a large increase in bud sites compared to doing it later into flower, later in flower I will just remove the odd couple of leaves that are obviously blocking bud sites.

Keep up the good work I'm pulling up a seat :)

GreenFingers
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

Great ! your input will help with those pesky loose ends that can elude a person.

Our thinking with defoliation is similar , they say or I noticed people say you should defoliate at 3 to 5 weeks in bud.

I think that's cutting into the valuable Bud growing time so I defoliated at 1 week in bud , so the next two weeks of stretch would be spend recovering.

I will defoliate a little early next time I thought of it at 1 week and pulled leaves ;) I do like the idea of more inner growth

I had not tried a big defoil before but I like it !
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

I set the netting up as a cage to keep the branches from drooping when heavy.

The nylon netting is damn near invisible does not cast a noticeable shadow , it might even be ideal. I like it.

To complete I put some old tent poles to use , I am finding the sections work well with the limited space.

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I jammed the poles on the outside of the liner that is inside the fabric pots to keep the poles out of the dirt.

You might of noticed I hung two panels vertical on the back wall the other two were left on each end.
The cool tubes shade is back up I knocked it off while working ,its unsecured and easy to remove
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

Nice. Taking a seat as well and "learning from the master" per say.! Keep it up. Defiantly taking some notes/pointers.


Also on the tube at NoobGrow
 
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Your much too kind , I have years of piratical experience and I'm still not a Master.

I would need to exceed at hydroponics on a large scale before I could be taken seriously by the Pros.



I might well be someone who has too much time on his hands ... I diffidently learn something everyday.

Sometimes two things ... I'm always improving constant , I enjoy the learning
I think I've Researched and learned more in the last 18 months then the previous 20 years.


I got busted with 98 plants with a sea of green with 88 of them 12 years ago that caused me to stop growing until just this last grow. I'm cutting my teeth all over again with all the new shit iv learned. Love it.

The power of the Internet !

Being a student is good enough for me :smokin2:

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News flash

I mounted the other panels vertically today against each side wall , I'm liking the effect
I think I'll leave them vertical from here on out as it seems more effective.

if you think it has merit for your garden make a quick adjustment to the hanger and give vertical lighting a try
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

Right on and Sweet we both are in the middle of bud the best part , the pace will pick up exponentially in these next weeks , my favorite part !

Your plants are looking dope , big bad ass mofo's !

I'm finishing up week four of bud tomorrow
 
Full side lighting

The side light is illuminating the plants exceedingly well , it hits the the inner buds like they were tops , full force.

The defoliate was done 3 weeks ago with no regrets , it opened the inner plants to the side lighting big time.
I am expecting the plants to be solid bud , I'm already starting to see the inner buds starting to catch up.

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re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

Thanks Snidrajsed nice to see yeah, illuminating she is to the tune of 1300 watts with more to come !

News Flash

My issue

The plants stopped transpiring water as noted by stupid low 28% humidity when normally is stayed between 40 - 55. and the leaves began to pale.

As I didn't overfeed the girls it must be a issue with PH


Yesterday evening , I added a full dose of PH perfect @ 4ml a liter to 12 liters per plant of micro / bloom / grow to adjust the soils PH and as a bonus feeding


I noticed AN will keep the soil's ph in check for an easy two weeks , having a constantly moist pot enhances the effect.


Result

I was correct 10 hrs after the treatment the humidity bounced up to 40% @ 85 degrees , overnight it was 60% @ 67*F


In short the non transpiring plant problem is solved with a PH adjustment

Tonight @ 85*F the humidity is 50% high for my garden at that temp *indicating all is well*

- if you ever have this issue I think you will find the PH is out of the tolerable range , happy growing ! -
 
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The best part is it fixed it so fast , stupid fast which indicates to me it was the PH as other plant problems take a few days to recover minimum.

How long do you find the PH stays stable with the DWC ?
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

Well at least you got it under control before it got any worse :)

I don't really aim for a stable PH as I find plants don't grow as fast, I will PH down to 5.7 when I set my EC, I expect the PH to drift to 6.0 over the space of 3 days. This allows the plants to have access to the full range of nutrient absorption as different nutrients become more available at different PH.

If the EC is at the exactly level the plant needs I will have this steady PH rise, If the PH is stable or begins to drop I know the EC is either too high, either because I added too much nutrients or the plant drank more water than nutrients or a reservoir change is needed as nutrients may be beginning to get locked out due to the continual addition of nutrients when the water is being topped up.

An example of this is the fact that I use Advanced Nutrients I feel like their ratio of K is too high. I do a res change every 2 weeks ( should be every week ) If I am busy and cant do it for 3 weeks I begin to get calcium deficiency's, adding calcium would only make the situation worse, what's actually happening is that because with every res top up I top up the nutes, the plant only takes what it needs leaving what it doesn't, It is not eating as much K as the others so a build-up of K begins to happen and a symptom of K toxicity is Calcium deficiency. ( just thought you might find that interesting, it is relevant in soil too. )

Your room is looking great by the way, so many watts :)


GreenFingers
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

It might be better/ safer to make smaller batches of nutrients and use them sooner to avoid any build ups and lock outs.

It could pay off , AN instructs people to change every 7 days maybe this is the reason and not to refresh the PH as I suspected.

With these plants I *think* the PH caused a phosphorous and or calcium lock-out that hit the plants hard and fast , lucky for me It was that easy to remedy as this is no time to be nursing plants..

The leaves stalk AND veins turned purple despite having received a phosphorous treatment earlier.

These last few days the leaves have been at 100% attention fully erect pumping out the moisture at a high rate.

I think the purple stalk will correct itself over the next few days as the plants are feeding again thankfully.


Not sure where I fucked up , I'm still trying to pin point it but I may of added something that put the PH way out of whack :oops:
 
re: 3 x Indica - LED & HPS

I pin pointed the problem it was the waters PH combined with the Guano treatment I applied as a bloom booster some days before the non transpiration problem showed up.

Due to dry weather I ran out of my stored rainwater and started using Tap water.
That I aerated in the 30g can with 3 aerator pumps to expel the chlorine then one was left running 24-7

The rainwater had a PH of 6 , my bad I did not check the Tap waters PH until yesterday.

Tap water PH : 7.4
Tap water & CalMag+ : 7.0
Guano & CalMag tap water : 7.6



To remedy I lowered the PH using vinegar

I used 1 Cup Vinegar to 30 gallons of tap water with 1/2 cup CalMagic+ which is 1ml per liter converted.

I added a few teaspoons of Potassium Silicate ( its the same as Rhino Skin etc ) to help set the PH where I needed it and to fortify the water.

Potassium silicate is VERY alkaline you must PH the water after adding some.

I premixed the Silicate in a 2 liter bottle for easy shaking and to dilute it before adding to the water reserve.

I have the water storage cans PH set to 5.8 for later use.


Onward

The plants did alright despite the PH

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The buds should take off now that the PH has been lowered , next weeks update should be a strong one.

Moral of the story is Bat Guano is alkaline , use it with caution and be sure to check the mixtures PH before applying.

Also check the water supplies PH and adjust as necessary
 
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This is a little lengthy but well worth the read if you like learning

Potassium Silicate otherwise know as Pro silicate or Rhino Skin or Silicone etc does more then then give plants healthy cell walls

Full, big resin glands loaded with THC are what we want more of on our marijuana flowers.

The important news today is when you feed the earth element silicon to your marijuana crops as potassium silicate, you get verifiable, significant increases in THC, crop health, growth rates, and productivity.

Let’s take a look at the details…

Silicon is the second most abundant element in the earth’s crust (oxygen is the most abundant).

Here’s how important silicon is: It plays a major role in plant metabolism, nutrients uptake, structural strength, resistance to fungal diseases, pests, drought, heat, and cold.

What marijuana growers don’t always know is that by end of grow phase, marijuana plants grown in soil have exhausted their supply of silicon.

And in some cases, soil silicon is not easily absorbed by marijuana plants.

In your soilless hydroponics garden, silicon is totally unavailable because it’s not in your root zone at all, unless you specifically add it as “silicate.”

Your marijuana plants may grow adequately without silicon, which is the main reason silicon hasn’t been deemed an essential element that must be included in hydroponics base nutrients formulas.

But evidence shows that without feeding added silicon to your crops, you’re missing out on healthier, stonier, more productive plants.
Potassium Silicate Helps Marijuana Plants Produce & Support Bigger Buds

When your medical marijuana plants intake silicon as potassium silicate, they build it into their cell walls. Marijuana plant tissue samples show that silicon-enhanced cell walls are sturdier and more resilient than cell walls in silicon-deprived crops.

Silicon-enriched cell walls provide structural support for your plants so they have sturdier stalks and stems that support larger buds.

You know how much damage that sucking/biting insects such as mites, thrips, aphids, and other insect attackers can do to your marijuana plants.

Silicon-enriched cell walls make it harder for predatory insects to feed off your marijuana plants. Silicon-enriched cell walls also armor your plants internally and externally against damage from heat, intense light, cold, drought and humidity.

Silicon (as potassium silicate) is absorbed via roots and transferred from cell to cell inside the plant, where it becomes a powerful potentiator of your marijuana’s metabolic processes, acting as a balancer and facilitator that increases uptake of other nutrients, fuels photosynthesis, and filters pollutants such as salts and heavy metals.

Potassium silicate also reduces oxidative stress (it’s an antioxidant).

When your marijuana plants are silicon-enriched, they’re better able to resist molds, mildews (such as the dreaded powdery mildew) and other pathogens that cost growers millions in losses every year.

Marijuana plants fed silicon as potassium silicate have healthier, denser roots that uptake nutrients, oxygen and moisture faster, and they’re more resistant to root diseases.

For you as a marijuana grower, the important news is that potassium silicate increases the formation, sturdiness, size and resin content of THC glands.

Your resin glands are the primary reservoirs of THC in your plants, but they’re extremely vulnerable to rupture and other deterioration caused by heat, drought, predators, intense light, humidity, molds, mildews, nutrients problems, and rough handling.

Added silicon boosts the size, hardiness and resilience of your buds and resin glands, giving you heavier, more potent buds that are better able to resist forces that reduce crop quality and weight after harvest.

When you enrich your medical marijuana plants with potassium silicate, you extend the shelf life of their resin glands and THC.

This means your crops retain more of their potency, taste and aroma for longer periods of time. Your crops are more valuable to you and others who depend on your buds.
Silicon as Silicate: Get The Right Solution for Your Marijuana Crops

Now that you’ve seen how adding silicon to your marijuana feed program is a proven way to get healthier plants and more-valuable buds, you’re surely wondering what’s the best way to get silicon into your plants.

Marijuana plant scientists determined that potassium silicate is the preferred form of silicon for marijuana plants. Using potassium silicate has the added benefit of providing potassium to your crops– as you’re aware, potassium is a marijuana bud booster.

Without getting into too much chemistry, let’s understand that other forms of agricultural silicon, such as sodium silicate and lithium silicate, cause problems for your plants.

Lithium silicate causes toxicity. Sodium silicate has a big problem: sodium. In fact, excess sodium is already a big problem for marijuana plants growing in soil or soilless hydroponics systems.

Marijuana scientists describe this as “plant salt stress,” and they point out that it slows marijuana growth, reduces yield, and can even kill your plants.

Salt stress is a problem indoors and outdoors. Indeed, one of the main harms of industrial agriculture fertilizers, and the use of desalinated water, is that it spreads excess salts that create soil toxicity.

Remember that silicon must be provided in amounts appropriate for your plants, and in the right form. As with other nutrient elements you feed your plants, an excess or deficiency of silicon can cause crop problems.

So it’s not enough to just throw silicates into your feed program…you must send in the right amount of potassium silicate, and it’s best if the potassium silicate is provided to you in a properly-manufactured liquid solution.

As a hydroponics marijuana grower, you only have a handful of product choices when you’re trying to add silicon to your medical marijuana plants.

One product is Botanicare’s Silica Blast, which contains sodium silicate, potash and potassium silicate.

You already know why any product with sodium silicate is not good for your medical marijuana plants– too much salt.

Dyna Gro makes a “Pro-TeKt” product that contains potassium silicate; Dutch Master and Grotek also make silicate products.

I called Botanicare, Dyna Gro, Dutch Master and Grotek to ask how their products work for marijuana, but they refused to talk about marijuana growing.
Grow Tips for Hydroponics Marijuana & Potassium Silicate

When I reached a technical advisor at Advanced Nutrients, I learned more about their potassium silicate product called Rhino Skin.

I had already learned potassium silicate is best delivered as part of a liquid solution rather than a dry powder or granule.

The tech advisor noted that hydroponics marijuana growers gotta be careful about using most potassium silicate products, because potassium silicate can play havoc with pH and nutrients absorption, and because too much or too little potassium silicate can be worse than adding none at all.

Apparently, Rhino Skin is an upgraded version of a previous hydroponics product, Barricade, that works with the bloom phase nutrients system based on base nutrients that guarantee optimized pH and maximum nutrients absorption for your plants.

I talked to marijuana grow guru GrowDaddy (50+ years of marijuana growing experience) about potassium silicate.

He had over the years tried all the potassium silicate formulas on the market, and decided that his best bet was to use Rhino Skin as a root feed and as a foliar spray.

GrowDaddy uses potassium silicate for soil and soilless grows beginning in mid-veg phase and continuing through bloom phase, especially for plants like Kush that grow best with a heavy dose of hydroponics nutrients, and any plants known to produce higher than average THC gland percentages.

As a root feed, I use potassium silicate per the manufacturer’s directions. As a foliar spray I use zero ppm reverse osmosis water, half-strength Wet Betty organic surfactant, and one eighth to one quarter strength Rhino Skin.

I adjust the solution to 5.7 pH. When I’m finished mixing, the foliar spray averages between 110-170 ppm.

I use this spray, sometimes in combination with other supplements during the latter two thirds of my grow phase and the first two weeks of my bloom phase.

Foliar spraying potassium silicate is a preventive against powdery mildew, mites, thrips, aphids, heat, gray mold and other stress that attacks your plants from the outside.

It also transfers potassium silicate into your medical marijuana plants at a crucial time…when they’re forming buds and resin glands.

This strengthens your glands, increases the density and development potential of your bud structure, and gives you more THC.

Now you’ve seen how potassium silicate makes your medical marijuana plants safer, stronger, healthier, faster-growing, and heavier-yielding, I’m sure you’ll get hold of hydroponics potassium silicate and enjoy the increased THC benefits today


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edit to add:

The Potassium Silicate I used was made by CannaMax was directed to be used @ 1/4 ml per liter , 1 ml per us gallon then PH adjusted
 
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