2014 HeavyWeights Duke It Out for the Silver Coin

Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Skybound said:
Whoever can answer, because The Rock is "semi organic", would stepping up the frequency of Tea usage lend toward breaking those organics down to consumable nutrients, or is that process a little more time consuming?
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I'm not an expert with organics at all. I don't believe the microbes will "break down" anything organic. However if you're asking, "will the microbes make the organics more available to the plant?" yes, that would be true.

Dirt, peat, coco, rockwool, whatever... the beneficial bacteria play a big part in root growth and assisting nutrient uptake.

Glad to see you're still hanging around, Sky.
 
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Hey Capt is you don't mind I have 2 cents to add to that. I have had some experience with organic grows and to my knowledge microbes/Beneficial Bacteria feed on organic matter breaking it down into food that that plant can uptake. So to answer your question Sky yes if the Rock nutes are semi organic then utilizing Compost Teas/Mycos will help break that organic matter down into something that is useful for to the plant. and as the Capn said these also help keep a healthy root zone and readily available nutrients to the plant. Hope this helps. Happy Growing! :)
 
Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

If the tea breaks down the rock nutrients,and helps them get to the plant faster/easier
then could/should the tea usage be increased? both in frequency and amount poured at stalk??
 
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I'd like to test an idea: A day or two before its time to change out the reservoir, add the tea right to it. Im pretty sure the problem would be how many of the microbes (if not all of them) would be killed by the high concentrations of synthetics.
 
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s1ingblade said:
I'd like to test an idea: A day or two before its time to change out the reservoir, add the tea right to it. Im pretty sure the problem would be how many of the microbes (if not all of them) would be killed by the high concentrations of synthetics.
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Yep. Better to add the tea right at the base of the stalk and let the microbes do their thing.
 
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Not all inorganic nutrients will kill microbes. The nutrients I use are inorganic as well but can be used right along side beneficial bacteria. The reason for this I believe is because it does not contain chlorides or sodium. Its derived right from crushed mineral concentrates which is 100% soluble in water and remains in its ionic form its called cogo's original. You should look into the rock and see if it contains chlorides if not I think you should be good to go. If the microbes were being killed off by the nutrients then you shouldn't see improvement by using them by hand feeding at the base because the next time you feed (2-3 times daily) you would kill off the microbes and they would not be very useful in that sate. I have just recently started studding this subject about synthetics with microbes so I could be wrong but this is my hypothesis on the matter.
 
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LumenNation said:
Not all inorganic nutrients will kill microbes. The nutrients I use are inorganic as well but can be used right along side beneficial bacteria. The reason for this I believe is because it does not contain chlorides or sodium. Its derived right from crushed mineral concentrates which is 100% soluble in water and remains in its ionic form its called cogo's original. You should look into the rock and see if it contains chlorides if not I think you should be good to go. If the microbes were being killed off by the nutrients then you shouldn't see improvement by using them by hand feeding at the base because the next time you feed (2-3 times daily) you would kill off the microbes and they would not be very useful in that sate. I have just recently started studding this subject about synthetics with microbes so I could be wrong but this is my hypothesis on the matter.
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Good info here, LN and thanks for the post. The way I understand it, is the synthetic nutrients are hard on the beneficial microbes, and that's why we keep adding the microbes weekly. Even in DWC, I have been able to bring back roots, from plants that had root rot so bad, the tap root looked like a stick, by using the tea. This is after all other remedies failed. Of course, in DWC, the microbes have no choice but to be submerged in the synthetic nutrients, constantly. So we know the beneficials do live ok in the salty nutrients. It's important to note, when I did that, I had my PPM at 300, not 800.

That said, it only makes sense, that pouring the beneficial tea at the base of the stalk, will give you the best chance at fully inoculating the root zone. Beneficials will find their way into the reservoir, at which time, will then get circulated around again. For me, I've discontinued using air stones in my reservoirs (for capn style growing) so I'm not sure if they could survive down there anyway.

For sling, and anyone else using air in the reservoir, you could literally "brew" your tea, right in the reservoir if you wanted to. If you did this, I would use a little less molasses. But this would probably only work in veg were PPM is low. Again, in flower where PPM is higher, this would be much more difficult.

EDIT: As ronnie points out below, brewing tea in your res can cause PH swings. Also adding too much tea will do the same thing.

Thanks ronnie!
 
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TheCapn said:
Good info here, LN and thanks for the post. The way I understand it, is the synthetic nutrients are hard on the beneficial microbes, and that's why we keep adding the microbes weekly. Even in DWC, I have been able to bring back roots, from plants that had root rot so bad, the tap root looked like a stick, by using the tea. This is after all other remedies failed. Of course, in DWC, the microbes have no choice but to be submerged in the synthetic nutrients, constantly. So we know the beneficials do live ok in the salty nutrients. It's important to note, when I did that, I had my PPM at 300, not 800.

That said, it only makes sense, that pouring the beneficial tea at the base of the stalk, will give you the best chance at fully inoculating the root zone. Beneficials will find their way into the reservoir, at which time, will then get circulated around again. For me, I've discontinued using air stones in my reservoirs (for capn style growing) so I'm not sure if they could survive down there anyway.

For sling, and anyone else using air in the reservoir, you could literally "brew" your tea, right in the reservoir if you wanted to. If you did this, I would use a little less molasses. But this would probably only work in veg were PPM is low. Again, in flower where PPM is higher, this would be much more difficult.
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Keep a cllose eye on your ph while using your res to brew tea as microbes mass breeding will cause ph swings.

great info as always , glad your back journaling :) your blogs are the best too . :thanks:
 
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ronnie6690 said:
Keep a cllose eye on your ph while using your res to brew tea as microbes mass breeding will cause ph swings.

great info as always , glad your back journaling :) your blogs are the best too . :thanks:
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Great point, Ronnie! I should have mentioned that.
 
Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Im pretty content on the mixing outside in a 5 gallon.
 
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LumenNation said:
Great info cap and ronnie! So that being said PH swings and all, do you PH your brew? If not do you see the PH swing as the days go by until the next res change?
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PH is a noun, not a verb. :-) Don't adjust the PH of your tea. The chemicals are not good for the beneficial microbes.

The reason we only add about 8oz of tea at the base of the stalk is because that is where your plant can use it most efficiently. Sorry I didn't mean to get off on a reservoir tea brewing topic. I was just stating that it is possible, and Ronnie pointed out that the organics in it, could cause a PH swing.

I aim for 6.0. I don't adjust the ph unless it is lower than 5.7 or higher than 6.5. Always adjust PH very slowly, as to not over correct. With Capn Style growing, a quality hydro nutrient line, and using RO water, you should notice VERY LITTLE PH swings, if any.
 
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We got any picture updates guys?? NO SWEAT,if ya dont,I know sling is getting ready for a harvest

what round are we on??(week of veg)
 
Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Here ya go guys....
Official vegetative growth kicked off on 9-4, so today we are nearly ending the 3rd week.





Today:
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My Purple Dreams are starting to get into the rapid growth state. This is where it gets fun. This contest is mostly a game of vegetative growth. Whoever has the biggest plant on Oct 1st, when we go to flower, will most likely get the biggest yield. So let's point out a couple tips about capn style veg, and how we can get the fastest growth now:

* Hand watering generously to waste daily, in the mornings. By allowing lots of run off, we are constantly flushing the media with new nutrients. This helps prevent any nutrient build up in the pot, it prevents PH swings inside the root zone, and this helps keep your stems green, instead of purple. Plants grow faster when they get more fresh nutrients. Don't get cheap on me. Water those puppies. It's nearly impossible to over water the grow-cubes.

* Transplanting: A week ago I transplanted to the one gallon pot. I'll wait one more week and then go to the next size up. With this size pot, and the size of the the plants, the pots are noticeably lighter at the end of the day. When this happens, it's usually nearly time to transplant to a bigger pot. If you wait too long, plants become lanky (skinny and tall). You can even do a second watering near the end of the day. More info here: How to know when it's time to transplant - CapnStyle - Blogs - 420 Magazine ®

* Lighting: When you're growing under T5 or other florescent lighting, keep the lights as close as you can, without heating up the leaves. You WILL get faster and more bushy growth, if you keep your T5 lights close (within 4-6"). Sling uses T5 in veg, and he keeps his lights close too. If the light is too high, plants stretch too much (lanky) and branches will be weak.

* Topping: Top early and often. Each of these were topped as soon as I saw new growth after the clone rooted, then those two tops were topped again after they were a couple inches tall. It is much easier to make a network of branches NOW, than later. Not sure how to top your plant? Look here: Just the TIP! How to top, or TIP your cannabis plant. - Blogs - 420 Magazine ®

A few people have asked me what else I have going on the grow room. Here are a couple sneak peaks.

Dinafem OG. This comes down in a week: (hoping for 17-18zips)
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Serious Seeds BubbleGum. This is a "bonus" plant in the flower room. It's in a small free space I have about 2.5 x 3'. This is about 34 days into flower (after this one, I'm done with the gum). My goal with this plant is to beat my record of 1.5 zips per sq ft. I'll have to get more than 11.25 out of it to reach my goal. I'm fairly confident I will get there. This pheno of gum produces the huge, long colas. It is difficult to let it go, but I need to make room for the Purple Dream and must keep plant count low.
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Re: 2014 HeavyWeights Duke it out for the Silver Coin with Rock Nutrients

Loving that Bubblegum, makes me amped to get mine in a good space.

with regards to the tea, I do mine once a week and I swear by it, if I do not use my roots go to shit.
 
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