Urgent help! Micro grow, tents and lights

[spliffas]

Hello people, need help, URGENT!!! Need to buy stuff ASAP. Limited space. Trying to do the impossible.

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4 plants. 2 gal pots. Pots size 20cm x 20cm.

NARCO PURPS AUTO X1 + CHOCOLATE ORANGE AUTO X1
GORILLA GLUE AUTO X1 + GSC AUTO X1
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Plagron grow mix untill flowering kicks in them some top shelf quality nutes
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I am thinking about 60 x 60 x 60 cm tent as this perfectly fits under my table, but I don't want to lose my crop, or upgrade my tent in the middle of the grow. I know LST very well OR it would be possible, BUT NOT VERY GOOD IN ALL ASPECTS to get 50 x 50 x 100 cm tent or EVEN 60 x 60 x 140 cm tent.

I know that You gonna say the bigger is better, but 60 x 60 x 60 would suit my and most important, my girlfriend's needs. Please bear in mind, this is probably the most important factor - my love. So, please. giving an advice for me consider about her first. Thank you!
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LIGHTS. At first, was thinking about MARS ECO 300 ( which is ~100W), then I read about VIPARSPECTRA 300, and they have dimmable version V350. Both lamps height ~8cm and they both have fans on top on them. and vent holes on the sides. But then, I saw some cheap china stuff called CASTNOO 1000W which is 50 pounds on ebay. I liked the design of lamp and it is thinner, 6cm height. Can someone tell me difference between those LED's itself ? That CASTNOO on ali only ~34 pounds. They state it has EPISTAR LEDs. So basically VIPAS and MARS costs the same, which one is better, or maybe go with something else? There is cool and cheap full spectrum COBs on aliexpress too, probably will be paying more and looking in UK, but cannot decide what to chose, considering my space problem. Budget MAX 100 pounds. Happy to do something by myself too. Any ideas???

Was thinking to put T5 on the sides inside the tent, but now probably add few extra watts with LED strip as there is not much space.
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Now the big questions is:
* 60 x 60 x 60 tent and LST and LED (let's say MARS or VIPRA if no other opinions) and expected yelds?
* Lamps distance from canopy question in that height of tent?

....or just really go with the bigger one?

Please help!!! Thank you!

 

[Sgtsativa]

Viparspectra 300 are good . 4 plants in 60x60 is plenty of room. I think 2 vipar spectra could light a 4x4 tent just fine. Viparspectra web site should show proper heights and light print. Your gonna need more light for a 5x5

 

[spliffas]

Viparspectra 300 are good . 4 plants in 60x60 is plenty of room. I think 2 vipar spectra could light a 4x4 tent just fine. Viparspectra web site should show proper heights and light print. Your gonna need more light for a 5x5

My pots height 20cm, my tent's height 60cm, light's height itself 8cm, so I have ~30cm to play, but light should be ~20cm from the tops, so that's where it gets tricky and why those questions.

 

[Sgtsativa]

I thought we were on imperial system sorry. You need a bigger tent obviously. There is no room for the plants and 7 inch pots are for clones. Can't you buy some insulation board and reflective heat blankets and make your own tent?

 

[spliffas]

I thought we were on imperial system sorry. You need a bigger tent obviously. There is no room for the plants and 7 inch pots are for clones. Can't you buy some insulation board and reflective heat blankets and make your own tent?

Are You 100% sure that it is mission impossible? Because from my point of view doing proper LST or even SCROG it is sort of possible. I just don't know how bad / good it is for those plants if they starts touching lamp and etc., etc., my pots will limits their size too. I did a grow under LED and energy saving CFLs in a small pace, my box was 120cm, but I used about 60-80cm max. Pots was 1gal if I remember and my best plants gave me about 15g of dried, so that's where those ideas came from. The worst thing is we live in a tiny flat and my gf doesn't want me to grow at all, but we agreed a deal, now I am sorting things out. It would be possible to buy a higher tent, that 50 x 50 x 100 should do the job without any problems I believe, but... Impossible to get 100gr of quality bud without big issues or not? And it's quite a challange I believe... But if it's 100prc for fail, then I probably have to speak with her about 50 x 50 x 100 cm tent.

Micro grow, as I said.

 

[Sgtsativa]

I'm a noob but I wouldn't even bother with your setup. I'm not saying it's 100 percent fail. But your lookin at 10cm tall plants with the tops touching the lights.you can get a 2x2x4 ft tall tent for 50 delivered then you would have a shot

 

[spliffas]

I'm a noob but I wouldn't even bother with your setup. I'm not saying it's 100 percent fail. But your lookin at 10cm tall plants with the tops touching the lights.you can get a 2x2x4 ft tall tent for 50 delivered then you would have a shot

Now read what I read in the first post. Money isn't the problem. Space is. I did 3 grows with very high tents and I never used even 50prc of that height....

 

[Sgtsativa]

Give your balls a tug and take the pants back from you misses.

 

[spliffas]

Give your balls a tug and take the pants back from you misses.

not the answer I am looking for.

 

[spliffas]

Aand BTW I am 120prc sure that it is possible to do with CFLs, but it is too much work to adjust those lamps every day, so I am thinking is it possible to do that with one of those LEDs in that limited space...

 

[VetSmoke85]

Where there's a will there's a way. I've just started a micro grow. Journal link in my signature. Also check out @Katins grow journals. He's done amazing things in a small cabinet.

 

[VetSmoke85]

To save some vertical space I've used a 9L air pot cut down that holds 4-5L. Think it stands at 13cm tall.

 

[TorturedSoul]

Are You 100% sure that it is mission impossible? Because from my point of view doing proper LST or even SCROG it is sort of possible.

If you decide to do a SCROG, remember to allow sufficient room between the top of your medium/container and your screen to get your hands/arms in there (all the way back if you only have the one "entrance path") in order to move, move, and move things around on a daily basis. I like to leave 14", others might be comfortable with less. As the screen begins to fill, you may find that a straight shot from your shoulder to the tip you wish to move (to say nothing of the hole you plan to move it to, the tips in between, and all the tips everywhere that you end up moving to facilitate your original move) is impossible, and that you need more room than you gave yourself when setting the grow up. That... would be unfortunate.

 

[spliffas]

To save some vertical space I've used a 9L air pot cut down that holds 4-5L. Think it stands at 13cm tall.

I checked Yours - nicely done, we'll so how it goes, but for my situation... Hmz, I can shorten pots, definetely, but I am more concerned how my LED reacts to plants when they gets taller. AsI believe at the end of the flowering cycle some of colas may be touching lamp, if no, then 5-10cm away MAX. And I wanna go quality this time. TOP.

 

[VetSmoke85]

I'm a newbie to all this so can't say for sure but LED's give off little heat so the plants can get pretty close as far as I'm aware. As for light burn I'm not sure. Will see what happens with mine. Ha ha.

 

[spliffas]

If you decide to do a SCROG, remember to allow sufficient room between the top of your medium/container and your screen to get your hands/arms in there (all the way back if you only have the one "entrance path") in order to move, move, and move things around on a daily basis. I like to leave 14", others might be comfortable with less. As the screen begins to fill, you may find that a straight shot from your shoulder to the tip you wish to move (to say nothing of the hole you plan to move it to, the tips in between, and all the tips everywhere that you end up moving to facilitate your original move) is impossible, and that you need more room than you gave yourself when setting the grow up. That... would be unfortunate.

So basically you say that is impossible to go scrog in 60x60x60cm tent if I understand You correctly?

 

[spliffas]

I'm a newbie to all this so can't say for sure but LED's give off little heat so the plants can get pretty close as far as I'm aware. As for light burn I'm not sure. Will see what happens with mine. Ha ha.

Hmz from my readings plants still can get burnt, and all recommendations is about 12 inch away... Well, that's almost all space I;ve got from my medium (rofl)

 

[TorturedSoul]

So basically you say that is impossible to go scrog in 60x60x60cm tent if I understand You correctly?

It would be for me. As in all things, "YMMV."

 

[spliffas]

btw this is the tent I was looking for... Or if in this space, maybe try less plants, maybe 3 or 2 and some extreme LST?

Or still it's better to go with 50x50x100 and let them grow vertically? (SOOO DON'T WANT TO DO THAT).

Or even maybe do something with lights? Look for thiner chinese LED's or consider doing under CFLs? (SOO DON'T WANT TO DO THAT).

And don't forget my goal - 100gr dried.

 

[VetSmoke85]

Hmz from my readings plants still can get burnt, and all recommendations is about 12 inch away... Well, that's almost all space I;ve got from my medium (rofl)

I've seen LED bulbs cm's away in PC grows so I guess it depends how strong the lights are. Someone on here will have a much better idea than me. Does it have to be 4 plants you grow?