Trill's DWC Lemon AK Auto, Wedding Cheesecake Auto, Gorilla Glue Auto and White Widow Auto Grow Journal - 2022

[TrilliumBubble]

Strains:
- Lemon AK auto (75% Sativa/25% Indica), flowering stage for about 3 weeks*, full strength nutes
- Wedding Cheesecake Auto (65%/35% Indica), flowering stage for about 2 weeks*, full strength nutes
*assuming flowering stage is when I first saw pistils
-Gorilla Glue Auto (65% Sativa/35% Indica) Seedling stage, pHed water and 1mL of CaliMagic per 5 gallons
-White Widow Auto (40%Sativa/60% Indica) Seedling Stage

No. Of Plants: 4 plants

Bucket for Wedding Cheesecake Auto and Lemon AK auto :
20 Gallon Rubbermaid Brute tote

Bucket for Gorilla Glue Auto and White Widow Auto:
5 gallon bucket

Medium:
hydroton clay

Lights currently used (not cooled):
-Parfact Works 15.75" x 8" 190W LED
-Parfact Works 12" x 12" 230W LED

Light used until 2/2/22 (not cooled):
-Platinum LED 36" x 8" 600W

Air stones:
-2 per container
-2" x 4"

Air Pump:
-Sun YT304
-18 LPM
-8.5W

Nutrients:
-General Hydroponics Flora Series (micro, grow, bloom)
-General Hydroponics CALiMAGic
-General Hydroponics ArmorSi
-Cannazyme
-General Hydroponics Ph Up/Down

Tent:
-Custom made Panda Film Tent
-PVC Frame
-open top
-Size: 5' x 5' x 8'

Temp of Tent:
- 82F degrees

RH of Tent:
- 45%

PH of Res:
- 6.2

No Pests (knock on wood)

Topping off Res about daily

Gorilla Glue Auto and White Widow

Wedding Cheesecake (left) and Lemon AK auto (right)

Wedding Cheesecake

Lemon AK Auto

Wedding Cheesecake

Wedding Cheesecake

Lemon AK

Lemon AK clawing?

I need help figuring out what's up with my plants. I was worried that it was cal/mag deficiency since I had to top off about 4 or 5 gallons last week, but didn't add CaliMagic to the water. I've adjusted that since then. I also wondered if it could have been septoria so I got a dehumidifier and it's now at 45% RH (down from 60%-70%). I was concerned with the red stems and raised the lights to about 20" away and the lux no longer exceeds 60,000. Still don't know what's up with the clawing.

Thanks in advance for any advise or thoughts. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to ask questions here or post in "Frequently Asked Questions", so I apologize if this is incorrect.

@BakedARea @Bill284 @Rexer

 

[BakedARea]

Great start to your first journal! Congrats on that @TrilliumBubble . Looks like I'll be learning from you on this one though! I haven't done a hydro grow yet but it's on my list of goals to try. So I'm stoked to have you here and I'm excited to watch and learn.

As for the issues with the plants, I am reluctant to diagnose because I don't feel I have enough experience. I'd love for @Bill284 to chime in and tag some hydro folks that can help.

What does the new growth look like? Before over analyzing the issues you are seeing, maybe you already fixed it and the new growth is in check?!

As for the environment, I did a quick plug into an online VPD chart calculator that was recommended to me by @Renaissance Man Here is what it returned based on your inputs. You are in early flower so my initial thought is you need to make some slight adjustments to dial that in. That may help some. Don't get overwhelmed with the chart. It's a guide I like to use to help me dial things in to where cannabis typically prefers things to be. If it's a bit too overwhelming, get the RH slightly higher for a little while until later stages of flower.

 

[Rexer]

Hi Trill!

I think I see a few things.

But first, let's start with what's in the reservoir right now?

How much of each, and the products used? (I know you said what you have, but im just asking in case all weren't used).

PPM of your nutrients, and if you can, we do love our root porn , if you wouldn't mind snapping a photo or two of the roots.

 

[TrilliumBubble]

Great start to your first journal! Congrats on that @TrilliumBubble . Looks like I'll be learning from you on this one though! I haven't done a hydro grow yet but it's on my list of goals to try. So I'm stoked to have you here and I'm excited to watch and learn.

As for the issues with the plants, I am reluctant to diagnose because I don't feel I have enough experience. I'd love for @Bill284 to chime in and tag some hydro folks that can help.

What does the new growth look like? Before over analyzing the issues you are seeing, maybe you already fixed it and the new growth is in check?!

As for the environment, I did a quick plug into an online VPD chart calculator that was recommended to me by @Renaissance Man Here is what it returned based on your inputs. You are in early flower so my initial thought is you need to make some slight adjustments to dial that in. That may help some. Don't get overwhelmed with the chart. It's a guide I like to use to help me dial things in to where cannabis typically prefers things to be. If it's a bit too overwhelming, get the RH slightly higher for a little while until later stages of flower.

Cool! I'll pick your brain about soil growing in the summertime when I try that out for the first time.

Thanks for the link! I thought I was at a late flowering stage from the General Hydroponic Feed chart so I'm kinda relieved if that's not the case and there's still time to grow bigger buds.

Humidity is an easy fix. I'll turn down the dehumidifier.

As for the new growth, I'd say so-so since I don't see the bright orange spots on the Wedding Cheesecake, but there is some leaf curling, almost folding in half near the tips of the thinnest leaves (sugar leaves?).

The Lemon AK is also concerning bc it seems to have some deficiency or something bc the color isn't so great.

 

[TrilliumBubble]

Hi Trill!

I think I see a few things.

But first, let's start with what's in the reservoir right now?

How much of each, and the products used? (I know you said what you have, but im just asking in case all weren't used).

PPM of your nutrients, and if you can, we do love our root porn , if you wouldn't mind snapping a photo or two of the roots.

Hi!

I made a new batch of Res water 3/4/22. I have 12 gallons of water (filtered from Boogie Brew) in there. I started with

2 Tablespoons of ArmorSi. After an hour, I added

CaliMagic: 1.8 mL/gallon = 21.6mL

Micro: 2.7mL/gal =32.4 mL

Gro: 2.0mL/gal= 24mL

Bloom: 6.2mL/gal=63.6mL

Cannazyme: 7.2 Tablespoons

Ph Down: not sure how much. I need to take better notes for that.

3/5 I topped off Res with these same quantities, but didn't add any Cannazyme or ArmorSi.

PPM as of 3/6: 736

I certainly can respect canna porn

Above photos from 3/2

Above photos as of 3/7

Thanks again!

 

[Rexer]

Ok, so I'm going to tag @FelipeBlu to borrow his eyes and wisdom

The first picture with the brown dots- that hopefully has been stopped with you starting calimagic. Keep a close eye if it gets worse.

The 2nd photo, showing the lighter edges along the side of the leaf is a K (Potassium) deficiency. I know usually adding something like terpinator will solve it, but, I think that FelipeBlu can hopefully suggest a modification to your trio to get the needed K.

The leaf that had the burnt tip, that's a bit of nute burn she experienced. If it's not new, or worsening I'd just keep an eye on it.

The clawing and very dark green leaves is a sign of nitrogen toxicity. Again, a tweak of the trio?

I'm no good with the trio to be honest.

Hopefully FelipeBlu can provide some suggestions.

Beautiful roots by the way

 

[FelipeBlu]

Hola Trill!

Rex - thanks for the tag! Your leaf diagnosis seems right on.

First question after looking at the root photos - is the circled part at all slimy?

 

[FelipeBlu]

I made a new batch of Res water 3/4/22. I have 12 gallons of water (filtered from Boogie Brew) in there. I started with

2 Tablespoons of ArmorSi. After an hour, I added

CaliMagic: 1.8 mL/gallon = 21.6mL

Micro: 2.7mL/gal =32.4 mL

Gro: 2.0mL/gal= 24mL

Bloom: 6.2mL/gal=63.6mL

This mix provides approximately:

51 ppm N (33 from urea - if the label still shows 4.7% from urea. This isn’t an ideal source of N for hydro since it requires microbial activity to make the N available to the plants - so N is definitely low)

37 ppm P (okay)

108 ppm K (low for the age of the plants - I would want about 150 to 200)

59 ppm Ca (okay with K at 108, but should probably be closer to 100 if K is where it should be)

34 ppm Mg (maybe a bit low)

I have issues with the GH line due to their use of urea for N, and the ratio of P to K in the Bloom, which makes it difficult to provide enough K without overdosing P.

The best I can come up with is:

1ml/gal Armor Si
5ml/gal CaliMagic
3ml/gal Micro
12ml/gal Grow
4ml/gal Bloom

which provides:

116 ppm N (still 37 from urea, but it’s the best I can do)

36 ppm P
208 ppm K
106 ppm Ca
51 ppm Mg

 

[Rexer]

Hola Trill!

Rex - thanks for the tag! Your leaf diagnosis seems right on.



First question after looking at the root photos - is the circled part at all slimy?

Thank you FelipeBlu!

That first picture, with the small brown dots is a magnesium deficiency right?

This mix provides approximately:

51 ppm N (33 from urea - if the label still shows 4.7% from urea. This isn’t an ideal source of N for hydro since it requires microbial activity to make the N available to the plants - so N is definitely low)

37 ppm P (okay)

108 ppm K (low for the age of the plants - I would want about 150 to 200)

59 ppm Ca (okay with K at 108, but should probably be closer to 100 if K is where it should be)

34 ppm Mg (maybe a bit low)

I have issues with the GH line due to their use of urea for N, and the ratio of P to K in the Bloom, which makes it difficult to provide enough K without overdosing P.

The best I can come up with is:

1ml/gal Armor Si
5ml/gal CaliMagic
3ml/gal Micro
12ml/gal Grow
4ml/gal Bloom

which provides:

116 ppm N (still 37 from urea, but it’s the best I can do)

36 ppm P
208 ppm K
106 ppm Ca
51 ppm Mg

Thanks FelipeBlu! As always your insight and help is invaluable

 

[FelipeBlu]

That first picture, with the small brown dots is a magnesium deficiency right?

Yes, as long as symptoms are confined to fan leaves - mostly on the lower 2/3s of the plant. If there is any top growth deformity or necrosis, suspect Ca def also.

Usually Mg has been deficient for weeks before it shows up on the leaves. If you have a fast-growing plant, you should probably supplement with 1/2g/gal Epsom starting around week 3.

 

[Rexer]

Yes, as long as symptoms are confined to fan leaves - mostly on the lower 2/3s of the plant. If there is any top growth deformity or necrosis, suspect Ca def also.

Usually Mg has been deficient for weeks before it shows up on the leaves. If you have a fast-growing plant, you should probably supplement with 1/2g/gal Epsom starting around week 3.

Your awesome , thanks FelipeBlu!

 

[BakedARea]

Your awesome , thanks FelipeBlu!

Seriously right?! I enjoy reading your insights @FelipeBlu

 

[TrilliumBubble]

Hola Trill!

Rex - thanks for the tag! Your leaf diagnosis seems right on.

First question after looking at the root photos - is the circled part at all slimy?

Unfortunately, I'll have to have my husband help me by holding the lid up while I feel the roots. I'll definitely let you know after his work tonight. Thank you so much for taking the time to check this all out.

 

[TrilliumBubble]

This mix provides approximately:

51 ppm N (33 from urea - if the label still shows 4.7% from urea. This isn’t an ideal source of N for hydro since it requires microbial activity to make the N available to the plants - so N is definitely low)

37 ppm P (okay)

108 ppm K (low for the age of the plants - I would want about 150 to 200)

59 ppm Ca (okay with K at 108, but should probably be closer to 100 if K is where it should be)

34 ppm Mg (maybe a bit low)

I have issues with the GH line due to their use of urea for N, and the ratio of P to K in the Bloom, which makes it difficult to provide enough K without overdosing P.

The best I can come up with is:

1ml/gal Armor Si
5ml/gal CaliMagic
3ml/gal Micro
12ml/gal Grow
4ml/gal Bloom

which provides:

116 ppm N (still 37 from urea, but it’s the best I can do)

36 ppm P
208 ppm K
106 ppm Ca
51 ppm Mg

This is amazingly helpful! Would you recommend I flush the plant and make a new batch for the reservoir using these quantities?

Also, would you recommend switching nutrients at this point? Or maybe for the seedlings? I'm worried I'm going to continue having the same problems and not know how to feed them down the road.

 

[TrilliumBubble]

I am just blown away by how helpful everyone I've encountered on this site is!!! I really am kicking myself for not creating a journal sooner. Meh, hindsight really is 20/20. Lesson learned the hardway, but definitely trying to learn.

 

[BakedARea]

I am just blown away by how helpful everyone I've encountered on this site is!!! I really am kicking myself for not creating a journal sooner. Meh, hindsight really is 20/20. Lesson learned the hardway, but definitely trying to learn.

We're stoked to have you here on the site. I'm excited to learn from your garden. No reason to be regretful. Great timing and you have some great eyes on your journal. Don't feel shy about tagging us. I'll be better at remembering to tag you too @FelipeBlu on stuff like this.

 

[TrilliumBubble]

Unfortunately, I'll have to have my husband help me by holding the lid up while I feel the roots. I'll definitely let you know after his work tonight. Thank you so much for taking the time to check this all out.

Ok, so felt up the roots, specifically the roots circled, and they weren't slimey. I can only assume that's a good thing.

 

[BakedARea]

Great timing and you have some great eyes on your journal. Don't feel shy about tagging us.

Uhhh...I did not mean to imply I should be included in the great eyes. I meant the others that have helped you out. Haaa haaa. That came out completely wrong. Sorry.

 

[FelipeBlu]

This is amazingly helpful! Would you recommend I flush the plant and make a new batch for the reservoir using these quantities?

The sooner the better

Also, would you recommend switching nutrients at this point? Or maybe for the seedlings? I'm worried I'm going to continue having the same problems and not know how to feed them down the road.

How much do you have invested in the current line? Probably best to stay the course with the flowers, but we can look into what’s available for the seedlings if you are interested.

 

[FelipeBlu]

Ok, so felt up the roots, specifically the roots circled, and they weren't slimey. I can only assume that's a good thing.

That’s a good thing indeed!