Too many nutes and products - What to use and not to use? And when? Please help!

[Bacondoggy]

I know you dont want to burn seedlings but still - wal mart was clearing out everything i couldnt pass up the deals superthrive for example is like 14$ i paid $3 all new unopened! See picture! How and when do you use supefthrive i have heard good things about it and its a light fertilizef... more of a conditioner. From everything in the picture i was NOT planning on using the jobes allpurpouse organic "biozome formula" (4-4-4), but it did have bacteria and weird other stuff i dont know what it does (see ingredients on other pic) like endo and ectomycorrhize and archea - what are they? If their good maybe ill use it... The miracle grow plant food i wasnt going to use. Now the rest.... please help when how much per gallon or sprinkle on dirt... i also know that something harmless mag be "ovef the top" if you also add something else, increasing the chances of it being overfed which i dont want and im scared due to how much stuff i have i dont want to overdue it. Or let me know if some of the stuff i shouldnt use because i have the stuff 8n that if i give it the other things, ya know? Im so lost! I know il leaving some things out like all the SNS products ( i uave their roots-veg in a jar in the pic i also have buds bloom which seem the same but with added molasses). Here goes:
Unsulphurated molasses
Epsom salt
Chicken manure (dehydrated pellets)
Organic potting mix (50-60% sphagnum peat, coir, yucca, etc.)
Perlite
Earthworm castings
Superthrive
Garden safe rooting hormone (i got this if i want to try cloning sometime)
Epsoma organic Start! (Starter plant food - liquid is 1-2-2 and has other weird stuff see pic 3 lol
Alaska fish fert
Alaska pure kelp plant food (shoukd i use both)?
Garden lime
Bonemeal
Bloodmeal
Floraliscious plus

I know a lot have bacteria and kelp which i gusss is good. But i dont want to overload by giving 3 things that all have kelp in and i give it too much...

Went overboard but all that stuff total was like 50 u cant beat that it should have been at least 3 times that... but thanks a lot. Oh and I know SNS stuff has like .12 humic and epsoma start! Has .25, while floralicious plus has 2% (would that be .02 or more?) Wny of these would be suitable for when i have to use water with chloramime right? How much fulvic acids needed to ruin the chlorine molecule bonded with the ammonia? Too bad u cant off gas it!
Thanks everyome!

 

[Bacondoggy]

I guess no one wants to touch this... understandable. Canbu mix blood and bone meal with a little polarized chicken manure in a tea? At least the first 2... what would be a good ratio?

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[TheFertilizer]

You might have more people interested in the Organic section.

Those bacteria are probiotics, when you have a healthy ecosystem of these bacteria they help break down the organic compounds that your nutrients are inside, and they also prevent other undesirable bacteria from taking hold. There's all sorts of anecdotal evidence to suggest this helps improve plant growth, resilience, resistance to pests, etc.

From the ingredients you listed I think you could make a pretty good organic mix. Earthworm castings, bone meal, the kelp, blood meal, the organic potting mix, the lime and perlite, you're off to a good amended soil with that. Again though, the Organic section of the forum has more information about the nutrient levels in those ingredients.

I wouldn't really dismiss the miracle gro. Yeah yeah Monsanto, evil chemicals and blah blah, bottom line I have seen people get good results with Miracle Gro. I mean, why buy it if you aren't going to use it.

The Alaskan Fish Fertilizer is pretty good stuff too but it will stink up your grow so I'd only use it for outdoor plants. It's essentially fish emulsion.

 

[Bacondoggy]

Its hard to post in the organic section when using the app and some places I dont have access to. Yeah like bloodmealnis like 14-0-0 so im almost scared to use it. What about epsom salts? They good? When to use those? I found an off brand organic fertilizerand got it bc it was 4-15-4 or something like that. See i made 1 each tea but this other stuff looks like u could put too much in and burn it. And what's the big deal with superthrive? Its kelp and what else? U only can use it once and when. Week 2 or full strength (still small amount), bit u can only use once people cycle....

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[TheFertilizer]

Its hard to post in the organic section when using the app and some places I dont have access to. Yeah like bloodmealnis like 14-0-0 so im almost scared to use it. What about epsom salts? They good? When to use those? I found an off brand organic fertilizerand got it bc it was 4-15-4 or something like that. See i made 1 each tea but this other stuff looks like u could put too much in and burn it. And what's the big deal with superthrive? Its kelp and what else? U only can use it once and when. Week 2 or full strength (still small amount), bit u can only use once people cycle....

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Does your phone/tablet support Chrome? I like to use the "Request Desktop Site" setting and that to browse on mine.

Unfortunately your other questions are over my head. I'm guessing the superthrive has other bacterial inoculants in it that only need to be applied to the soil once for a living colony to form. I know of another product like that, it's like White Shark or something like that. That's just a quess though.

Don't worry about a fertilizer's potency, just be sure to mix accordingly. I would suggest getting a PPM meter to measure the final concentration of your nutrient solution, as it's easy to screw up when measuring with teaspoons and stuff like that, especially if you're using a particularly potent fertilizer.

In some ways potent fertilizers are a lot better for the plant though because you're putting in less material to give the plant the same amount of nutrition as a lower potency fertilizer would have. So for example, if you had a fertilizer that was 10-10-10 and you mixed 1 teaspoon per gallon then that's 5 mL of "stuff" in that gallon of water. Only some of it is nutrients, the rest is "stuff". Well if the fertilizer was 20-20-20, you'd get the same amount of nutrients in the solution but with half the amount of "stuff". That makes a difference down the line because a lot of synthetic nutrients have so much salt and stuff in them they build up on the roots and require leeching otherwise they will inhibit plant growth, burn the roots, etc. Remember that a lot of those fertilizers were made to go into the ground, with whole cubic yards of dirt to dilute into; when we take those and put them into 3 and 5 gallon pots, the concentrations build up a lot faster.

 

[Major PITA]

I'm not sure what the question(s) is/are.
Looks like a good buy, but ...

 

[Bacondoggy]

"Does your phone/tablet support Chrome? I like to use the "Request Desktop Site" setting and that to browse on mine."

**** I have a stupid loaner phone and pictures are horrible and it has Firefox. I so you like the desktop site better than the app??? Ill have to try it. ****


"Unfortunately your other questions are over my head. I'm guessing the superthrive has other bacterial inoculants in it that only need to be applied to the soil once for a living colony to form. I know of another product like that, it's like White Shark or something like that. That's just a quess though.

**** Superthrive I have heard so many contradictions on some say use it once and thats it but on the bottle it has a "weekly/monthly" ratio whatever that is but it says to apply to "thirsty" soil with or without other ferts, but then do not water for 24 hrs of application. This concerns me because arent you supposed to throughly water after applying ferts? While its derived from kelp and it'd NPK is 0.5-0-0, it also has vitamin B-1 (.09%) as an active ingredient inactive 1.8% isopropyl alcohol (why?), 2% glacial acetic acid (as a vinegar preservative) and a whopping 96.11% other ingredients (90% water probably LOL). I might put a drop on half a gallon since plant grew so fast. Gotta move the lights up leaves are SLIGHTLY burnt (it WAS inches below the top of the pot not even a week ago). I might give it more darkness. I could mix a lil dolomote lime with the feeding to even things out... this is my chaos (well some of it): LOL ****

"Don't worry about a fertilizer's potency, just be sure to mix accordingly. I would suggest getting a PPM meter to measure the final concentration of your nutrient solution, as it's easy to screw up when measuring with teaspoons and stuff like that, especially if you're using a particularly potent fertilizer."

**** yeah I got this stuff from wal mart some non brand called "expert gardener" thats 15-30-15. Im SUPER careful with that stuff: ****

"In some ways potent fertilizers are a lot better for the plant though because you're putting in less material to give the plant the same amount of nutrition as a lower potency fertilizer would have. So for example, if you had a fertilizer that was 10-10-10 and you mixed 1 teaspoon per gallon then that's 5 mL of "stuff" in that gallon of water. Only some of it is nutrients, the rest is "stuff". Well if the fertilizer was 20-20-20, you'd get the same amount of nutrients in the solution but with half the amount of "stuff". That makes a difference down the line because a lot of synthetic nutrients have so much salt and stuff in them they build up on the roots and require leeching otherwise they will inhibit plant growth, burn the roots, etc. Remember that a lot of those fertilizers were made to go into the ground, with whole cubic yards of dirt to dilute into; when we take those and put them into 3 and 5 gallon pots, the concentrations build up a lot faster."

*** I always want to feed it but I need to just LEAVE IT ALONE! Its amazing right now I shouldn't try making it more or it could QUICKLY go the other way!