The Joy Of Growing - SweetSue Goes Perpetual

Top of the mornin to ya SS. Have you seen that pic i posted showing the pre-filter on the floor? Check it out Sue...it shows you the best time to change it ... check both my threads...not sure which one has it, OK .Have an awesome day would ya....cheers...where's my java!
 
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I'm looking at these pictures and I can totally see why your one plant on the end is stretching like its life depends on it. You need to bring all tree of those lights down and orient them flat. And you need to have the plants sitting all at the same level. The way you have them pointed, the 4 in the middle are getting the most light while the one lanky one looks to be 6-12" lower than the front two (and even the other back two?) and in a back corner of the lighting footprint.

I'm saying this principally because I am curious how you are going to light the big LOS pot. There isn't room in your current arrangement. It would start stretching too...and a plant with a container that size stretching could very quickly outgrow your tent. Granted I know you are flowering from seed, so no veg time. But it wouldn't hurt to be preventative because at the very least even if it doesn't out grow the tent it could become a real pain in the ass to move around.

If I were you I would put the two Mars panels side by side over the LOS container. The two of them side by side will create a larger more penetrative foot print that the dorm alone. Put the single Dorm light over the smaller Brix plants. It probably has a slightly larger footprint than the individual mars panels and should suffice over 4 smaller plants with maybe some help from a cfl here and there.

You could leave them oriented the way they are now, but like I said before I would flatten them out and lower them at the very least. They look to be about 3-4 feet from the top of the lowest pot? They aren't powerful enough lights to be growing any further away than they are now. Keep that in mind too.

Last thing...I know it could be harder with that giant T8 fixture, but you should find a way to enclose the rack...even if its just some panda film taped to the top that you roll up when doing maintenance. I would think that if you had that rack enclosed you probably wouldn't need to use as many CFL bulbs...those things are pricey as hell. Not to mention they aren't super powerful, so its crazy to think that you are probably losing 30-40% of their energy out the sides of the rack.

Sorry I don't usually get all ranty, but you have little to no light control in your tent. Once you nail it down you could be doing more with less. Remember that old LOS mantra :) I think back to your first grow here which you always attribute to the LOS soil. Personally, I think the soil was a secondary factor. That was the only grow I have seen where you had consistent light. These plants are pretty hardy...they can handle moderate issues with the soil. But take away their main energy source (light) and you start to lose consistency, size, health, etc.

Just a thought. Keep rockin it, Sue. :thumb:

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ClosedCircuit said:
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I'm looking at these pictures and I can totally see why your one plant on the end is stretching like its life depends on it. You need to bring all tree of those lights down and orient them flat. And you need to have the plants sitting all at the same level. The way you have them pointed, the 4 in the middle are getting the most light while the one lanky one looks to be 6-12" lower than the front two (and even the other back two?) and in a back corner of the lighting footprint.

I'm saying this principally because I am curious how you are going to light the big LOS pot. There isn't room in your current arrangement. It would start stretching too...and a plant with a container that size stretching could very quickly outgrow your tent. Granted I know you are flowering from seed, so no veg time. But it wouldn't hurt to be preventative because at the very least even if it doesn't out grow the tent it could become a real pain in the ass to move around.

If I were you I would put the two Mars panels side by side over the LOS container. The two of them side by side will create a larger more penetrative foot print that the dorm alone. Put the single Dorm light over the smaller Brix plants. It probably has a slightly larger footprint than the individual mars panels and should suffice over 4 smaller plants with maybe some help from a cfl here and there.

You could leave them oriented the way they are now, but like I said before I would flatten them out and lower them at the very least. They look to be about 3-4 feet from the top of the lowest pot? They aren't powerful enough lights to be growing any further away than they are now. Keep that in mind too.

Last thing...I know it could be harder with that giant T8 fixture, but you should find a way to enclose the rack...even if its just some panda film taped to the top that you roll up when doing maintenance. I would think that if you had that rack enclosed you probably wouldn't need to use as many CFL bulbs...those things are pricey as hell. Not to mention they aren't super powerful, so its crazy to think that you are probably losing 30-40% of their energy out the sides of the rack.

Sorry I don't usually get all ranty, but you have little to no light control in your tent. Once you nail it down you could be doing more with less. Remember that old LOS mantra :) I think back to your first grow here which you always attribute to the LOS soil. Personally, I think the soil was a secondary factor. That was the only grow I have seen where you had consistent light. These plants are pretty hardy...they can handle moderate issues with the soil. But take away their main energy source (light) and you start to lose consistency, size, health, etc.

Just a thought. Keep rockin it, Sue. :thumb:

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Thanks CC. That's the type of input I always hope for. I need to finish gardening before lights out, but I'll look deeper into your suggestions, you can be assured of that.

It was so much easier with the tiny closet and two autos. I'll get this. Sooner or later. I hadn't thought about enclosing the rack. :hmmmm:
 
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I think we're close, but not quite to "thirsty." Anyone care to help me out with your impressions?
 
duggan said:
Top of the mornin to ya SS. Have you seen that pic i posted showing the pre-filter on the floor? Check it out Sue...it shows you the best time to change it ... check both my threads...not sure which one has it, OK .Have an awesome day would ya....cheers...where's my java!
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I'll be sure to swing by Duggan. Thanks for the heads up. :passitleft:

herby40 said:
Loving the look of those buds fella, im sure I remember growing Jock Horror years ago, its nirvana right?
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Thanks herby. I have no idea about the strain. The seeds were an anonymous gift. Welcome to the thread and a hearty welcome to the :420: community. If we can assist your moving in, please don't hesitate to ask. Make yourself at home. :battingeyelashes:

MedFarmer said:
I haven't visited your thread for a couple of weeks I think SweetSue but you can certainly feel the Love :Love: over here. On reading your post about your man's ex, I got all goosepimply. Your such a brave soul girl :circle-of-love:

As for the grows, well have they moved on, WOW. All is looking Sweet for Sue :bravo:
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So nice to have you drop by and thank you for the kind words. Yeah, life, you gotta roll with it. She and I are planning an entire day together next time she's in my neck of the woods. I like her.

This tent will look totally different once I figure out how to fit everyone in. That Carnival's going to be a big one.

Back to work. It was nice visiting. :ciao:
 
I think you should be using your closet strictly for starting seeds and the tent entirely for the transplanted larger plants. That way you don't have to worry about enclosing the rack because you wouldn't need it. Its sort of like you have 4 different grows going on in two spaces. I know how organized you like to be, which is why I sort of scratch my head when I come here because I don't really get why you have plants growing every which way.

Are those plants in the closet going to be cycled into the tent? They are too big to flower in the closet for sure unless you are going to tie them down. And then there are the plants at the bottom of the rack in the tent. Those are going to all be transferred to the main grow floor in the tent over the next 3 weeks (guessing based on varying sizes)?

Maybe I am over analyzing all this, but it seems like you are about 2-3 weeks away from a fiasco where you don't have enough room OR LIGHTING to flower all those plants. I'm probably missing some of the details of your grow RE logistics since this journal moves so fast...but just looking at your seedlings...are we at 18 babies now? Oh wait, plus one for the giant LOS container. So 19? where will they all go?

edit: After I posted I started to think about how you are also going to have to get all those plants in SWICK trays? The SWICK is murdering your grow space. You're pretty much doubling the foot print of each plant with that thing.
 
Hey CC...Sue....what you say? CC is sayin what i've wanted too! Make your hobbie alot easier and more practical. Makes total sense to me...and if it was...i'de start doing it ...yesterday!.. Cheers eh.:circle-of-love:
 
I don't want to come off as aggressive, Sue. But, I would hate to see you set yourself up for failure when you have a real talent for gardening. I think you are just getting a little too carried away with managing what is in front of you. Its like you are addicted to the chaos of it all.

Slow it down a little. Put more effort into each plant. You will see the return. I know the love is there! We all know you have alot of that. :)
 
ClosedCircuit said:
I think you should be using your closet strictly for starting seeds and the tent entirely for the transplanted larger plants. That way you don't have to worry about enclosing the rack because you wouldn't need it. Its sort of like you have 4 different grows going on in two spaces. I know how organized you like to be, which is why I sort of scratch my head when I come here because I don't really get why you have plants growing every which way.

Are those plants in the closet going to be cycled into the tent? They are too big to flower in the closet for sure unless you are going to tie them down. And then there are the plants at the bottom of the rack in the tent. Those are going to all be transferred to the main grow floor in the tent over the next 3 weeks (guessing based on varying sizes)?

Maybe I am over analyzing all this, but it seems like you are about 2-3 weeks away from a fiasco where you don't have enough room OR LIGHTING to flower all those plants. I'm probably missing some of the details of your grow RE logistics since this journal moves so fast...but just looking at your seedlings...are we at 18 babies now? Oh wait, plus one for the giant LOS container. So 19? where will they all go?

edit: After I posted I started to think about how you are also going to have to get all those plants in SWICK trays? The SWICK is murdering your grow space. You're pretty much doubling the foot print of each plant with that thing.
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The tiny pot perpetual, spends the first two months or so on the racks - one month under the CFLs, one month under the T8s and then they get sifted onto the floor under the LEDs. And yes, I need a better lighting arrangement, because at some point Carnival will be flipped into there and that's going to complicate the issue, because she gets the Dorm Grow. I've been chewing through possibilities in my head, but the plan has yet to formulate.

As to the SWICK reservoirs on the veg shelf, they don't really add any additional footprint IMO. They're just the base and I could squeeze more in there if I wanted to, which I don't, because where would I put them? The SWICK under the LOS is the exact footprint as the pot. The one under Strawberry Blue was an experiment that didn't pan out and will be changed tomorrow.

By the time the plants under the T8s come off that shelf the small pots on the main floor will be harvested. You have to remember that the tiny pot perpetuals won't get very big at all, not much larger than the ones on the floor right now. Because they're run under 11/13 they all flower like autos and their growth is stunted.

It's all an experiment right now, trying to find what works for me. I'm not entirely sure I want to continue with it, for all it interests me. I started this as a way to grow variety for Dale and I've been wondering myself why I kept it going. Certainly I enjoy the challenge, and I look forward to the variety. I figured run two complete cycles through, and at the end of the 6-7 months, make a decision as to whether to continue. I did take your advice on lights though.

Hung them side by side over the tiny pots and leveled the canopy. They're 12" from the lights. Approve CC? :battingeyelashes:

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I really appreciate the input CC. You've already motivated me to make an improvement.
 
ClosedCircuit said:
I don't want to come off as aggressive, Sue. But, I would hate to see you set yourself up for failure when you have a real talent for gardening. I think you are just getting a little too carried away with managing what is in front of you. Its like you are addicted to the chaos of it all.

Slow it down a little. Put more effort into each plant. You will see the return. I know the love is there! We all know you have alot of that. :)
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What a sweet thing to say. That choked me up CC. :hugs:

I'll run my two cycles through and have enough variety to hold me for quite a while and share with friends, then run a more traditional approach for a couple cycles and see how I feel about it. I may end up just doing a couple small pots for variety and focus on a couple big ones at a time. I have much less demand than when I began, don't I?

My daughter has been strongly suggesting that I convert the tiny closet back into what it was and run two autos at a time. I must say the simplicity of it is appealing.

I don't hear aggression CC. I hear loving concern, and I appreciate it.
 
Sue...do ya hear agression with me...hey,...do ya ...do ya....?:blunt:

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No one has an opinion on the Carnival? I'll take that as a "Yes, Susan, you called that right. Tomorrow should be a better time."
 
Heeyy. It looks better already!

I know by the time the plants in the closet and rack make it to the main flower space the existing ones will be harvested. But that's the point at which everything may get a bit hectic. How many strains will be moved into the tent flower space in the next few weeks? I just want to get an idea of how fast its going to turn over into the next cycle.

Carnival is getting the dorm light...so how long do you think the plant in the LOS pot has before it needs the LED too? And then you will have another plant or two from the closet coming in after that while the big LOS is still flowering.

Variety is great! But unfortunately it requires quite alot of uniformity when your space is limited. I say go the Ziggy route and grow almost in a SOG method where all your plants are in the azalea pots. That's what I plan to do in my next run...granted I will have fewer plants. But thats sort of why I decided to speak up today. I have been mulling over in my head how this will work and how to time different plants based on different flowering times, size, and desired high/stone.


edit: Oh ya. I forgot. Right back at ya! :hugs:
 
duggan said:
Sue...do ya hear agression with me...hey,...do ya ...do ya....?:blunt: :rofl:
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Absolutely not Duggan. From you I hear frustration that I won't stop growing these plants with no root space. :laughtwo: I hear you. Two cycles. then we'll revisit and revise. :hugs: :Love:
 
Oh , ya the Carny...look at her often, cuz when she starts to wilt ...it'l be very quick, OK...you don't have to wait too long now Sue...that plant has filled that pot with roots already...and lots of em. If it was me...ya , you guessed it....get her into something bigger...for pete's sake...she will love you for it! Got 10 gal's. of our soil kickin around and another big pot? Cheers.
 
ClosedCircuit said:
Heeyy. It looks better already!

I know by the time the plants in the closet and rack make it to the main flower space the existing ones will be harvested. But that's the point at which everything may get a bit hectic. How many strains will be moved into the tent fylower space in the next few weeks? I just want to get an idea of how fast its going to turn over into the next cycle.

Carnival is getting the dorm light...so how long do you think the plant in the LOS pot has before it needs the LED too? And then you will have another plant or two from the closet coming in after that while the big LOS is still flowering.

Variety is great! But unfortunately it requires quite alot of uniformity when your space is limited. I say go the Ziggy route and grow almost in a SOG method where all your plants are in the azalea pots. That's what I plan to do in my next run...granted I will have fewer plants. But thats sort of why I decided to speak up today. I have been mulling over in my head how this will work and how to time different plants based on different flowering times, size, and desired high/stone.
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I think when the LOS no-till needs more light is when I better pull that rabbit out of my hat. :laughtwo: I trust it will all work out. It'll be a logistical challenge, but if I can figure out how to make it all hum...... My initial intention was to stick with the tiny pots. I got caught up in wanting another big plant and it turned out to be Carnival and now I can't stop because she's so freaking gorgeous she's going to push me to pull off the impossible.

It's going to all work out in the end CC. I have total confidence in it.
 
duggan said:
Oh , ya the Carny...look at her often, cuz when she starts to wilt ...it'l be very quick, OK...you don't have to wait too long now Sue...that plant has filled that pot with roots already...and lots of em. If it was me...ya , you guessed it....get her into something bigger...for pete's sake...she will love you for it! Got 10 gal's. of our soil kickin around and another big pot? Cheers.
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I do have a ten gallon pot. The soil needs another couple weeks though. I'd been thinking of that. I have a 15 gallon too. That would make you so happy, wouldn't it Duggan? :laughtwo:
 
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