RandomtasK
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HELLO Friends and fellow enthusiasts. Ive been grow few a couple of years now, and i have had some success and a lot of learning. my biggest lesson has been to not cut corners! anyways im here to ask for some help with an ongoing issue i have been having for a couple of months. any input on these pics will be helpful, i will check to diagnose any possible solutions.. I dont want to give too much input because people tend to hear what i want them to hear. ill just list a few possibilities that i have tested and see what may be causing this. first i will show some pics and then i will go into detail about possiblities and details.
Grape OG Teen
Ghost Train Haze Clones
Alien OG Large Plant
Alien OG Clone
NYCD seedling : notice the stress and purple stretchy strem. this seedling has had nothing but RO water
Sleestack Plant is weak and stretchy, notice the leaves are pale green and then dark green near the tips
Flowering Ghost train haze after similar veg problems
So down to business.
Symtoms: Purple Stems and main leaf veins, Stretchy weak woody stems, Pale green inner growth with dark green edges, slow growth, small leaves, weak root structure.
Basically i have weak purple stretchy plants with weak roots and then the leaves are pale green at the inner part and dark green near the tips and edges.
This has been going on for quite a while, almost every plant in my place has been stressed at some point with a similar issue. They all exhibit signs of stunted growth, and overall lackluster appearance, and everything has purple stems and often yellowing leaves in flower looking like a P and K uptake issue. Im wondering if maybe the medium is getting too cold at night? maybe i am overfeeding to cause lockouts? my clones and seedlings are showing signs of similar stress which leads me to beleive the problem does not lie in feeding amounts becuase i have not fed the seedlings anything and they are in well rinsed coco. the clones are transplanted after rooting into coco watered with 500 ppm veg nutes. the larger plants in the room have taken forever to develop good roots. even the plants in small half gallon pots dry out quickly but they have small root systems and woody purpl stems. it seems as if they grow through the problem but the problem persists. I recently saw the temp of my RO water before feeding was around 54 degrees F, so i bought a tank heater.
One thing i find strange is how i can never get a good guide or educated information online about proper feeding practices. the only thing i have ever seen on feeding coco was in askEds coco guide. but it is very vague. WHY DOES EVERYONE JUST DISMISS GIVING ANY INFO ON FEEDING! all i hear is oh you need experience and feed half strength and add more later. im sorry im just frustrated with the lack of good information on feeding cannabis. i want to see EC, AND PPM and Schedules and frequency and plant size and such.
I dont often see any signs of burning so maybe i am underfeeding, but i do feed sometimes more than once per week so maybe i am just feeding too often. I also saw something from advanced nutrients claiming that other coco nutrient formulas do not account for a heavy iron requirment in coco. this problem almost looks like iron def? but from other journals i have seen people have great success in coco with just standard hyro nutes and some calmag.
Right now i am using Botanicare kind, but i used House and Gardens COCOS A/B to test the results and i likes it but the additives were too expensive. im using liquid karma, hydroguard, hydroplex, hygrozyme, and zho.
I tested some clones using just a/b and still had some problems. Most of my problems go away after a healthy root system develops, but i seems to take forever and i have problems all though the devlopment of a root system. from seedling/ rooted clone they are stressed.
anyways, any input is appreciated. i dont have the answers as you can see. i have tried to diagnose this issue in many different ways but when i see improvment i attribute it to to something that ends up not being the answer. my room temps are stable at 75. my humidity is in the 40% range. i have a 6 inch intake fan exhausting my 8x8x10 veg room. i have measured the c02 ppm around 475. the environment is seemingly perfect. the root system is suffering from something it seems, but i use the botanicare aeration formula, and my friend has incerdible results with it. my ph pen is calibrated and i feed always at 5.8-6.2.
feeding: clones get 400 ppm at transplant then another feeding when they dry out like two weeks later around 500 ppm.
small plants week 1-2 get around 600-750 ppm weekly average depending on how often they dry
plants get around 900-1100 ppm after they are large enough to be considered mothers, usually 36" and taller
plants always seem to show major improvment after they have gone a while without feeding. i come back a day afyter feeding and they look great, but then the following day they look crappy again. Maybe an aeration problem? they roots always seem to be underdeveloped.
ive been rambling for a long time. let me know if you guys have any questions and check out my commercial grow journal if you havent already. thanks!
First Commercial Grow Build - 6000 Watt Flower - Dairy Queen - Botanicare Kind
Grape OG Teen
Ghost Train Haze Clones
Alien OG Large Plant
Alien OG Clone
NYCD seedling : notice the stress and purple stretchy strem. this seedling has had nothing but RO water
Sleestack Plant is weak and stretchy, notice the leaves are pale green and then dark green near the tips
Flowering Ghost train haze after similar veg problems
So down to business.
Symtoms: Purple Stems and main leaf veins, Stretchy weak woody stems, Pale green inner growth with dark green edges, slow growth, small leaves, weak root structure.
Basically i have weak purple stretchy plants with weak roots and then the leaves are pale green at the inner part and dark green near the tips and edges.
This has been going on for quite a while, almost every plant in my place has been stressed at some point with a similar issue. They all exhibit signs of stunted growth, and overall lackluster appearance, and everything has purple stems and often yellowing leaves in flower looking like a P and K uptake issue. Im wondering if maybe the medium is getting too cold at night? maybe i am overfeeding to cause lockouts? my clones and seedlings are showing signs of similar stress which leads me to beleive the problem does not lie in feeding amounts becuase i have not fed the seedlings anything and they are in well rinsed coco. the clones are transplanted after rooting into coco watered with 500 ppm veg nutes. the larger plants in the room have taken forever to develop good roots. even the plants in small half gallon pots dry out quickly but they have small root systems and woody purpl stems. it seems as if they grow through the problem but the problem persists. I recently saw the temp of my RO water before feeding was around 54 degrees F, so i bought a tank heater.
One thing i find strange is how i can never get a good guide or educated information online about proper feeding practices. the only thing i have ever seen on feeding coco was in askEds coco guide. but it is very vague. WHY DOES EVERYONE JUST DISMISS GIVING ANY INFO ON FEEDING! all i hear is oh you need experience and feed half strength and add more later. im sorry im just frustrated with the lack of good information on feeding cannabis. i want to see EC, AND PPM and Schedules and frequency and plant size and such.
I dont often see any signs of burning so maybe i am underfeeding, but i do feed sometimes more than once per week so maybe i am just feeding too often. I also saw something from advanced nutrients claiming that other coco nutrient formulas do not account for a heavy iron requirment in coco. this problem almost looks like iron def? but from other journals i have seen people have great success in coco with just standard hyro nutes and some calmag.
Right now i am using Botanicare kind, but i used House and Gardens COCOS A/B to test the results and i likes it but the additives were too expensive. im using liquid karma, hydroguard, hydroplex, hygrozyme, and zho.
I tested some clones using just a/b and still had some problems. Most of my problems go away after a healthy root system develops, but i seems to take forever and i have problems all though the devlopment of a root system. from seedling/ rooted clone they are stressed.
anyways, any input is appreciated. i dont have the answers as you can see. i have tried to diagnose this issue in many different ways but when i see improvment i attribute it to to something that ends up not being the answer. my room temps are stable at 75. my humidity is in the 40% range. i have a 6 inch intake fan exhausting my 8x8x10 veg room. i have measured the c02 ppm around 475. the environment is seemingly perfect. the root system is suffering from something it seems, but i use the botanicare aeration formula, and my friend has incerdible results with it. my ph pen is calibrated and i feed always at 5.8-6.2.
feeding: clones get 400 ppm at transplant then another feeding when they dry out like two weeks later around 500 ppm.
small plants week 1-2 get around 600-750 ppm weekly average depending on how often they dry
plants get around 900-1100 ppm after they are large enough to be considered mothers, usually 36" and taller
plants always seem to show major improvment after they have gone a while without feeding. i come back a day afyter feeding and they look great, but then the following day they look crappy again. Maybe an aeration problem? they roots always seem to be underdeveloped.
ive been rambling for a long time. let me know if you guys have any questions and check out my commercial grow journal if you havent already. thanks!
First Commercial Grow Build - 6000 Watt Flower - Dairy Queen - Botanicare Kind
preferably those that are breathable fabric - having that perfect watering ratio will only boost production 