Police Chief Against Relaxing Marijuana Laws

Jim Finnel

Fallen Cannabis Warrior & Ex News Moderator
HI: When the 2010 legislative session opened Wednesday, no fewer than 20 bills to reform Hawaii's marijuana laws were lined up for discussion.

However, Maui County Police Chief Gary Yabuta said he believes measures, especially those proposed by two Maui lawmakers, would send the wrong message to kids and damage neighborhoods.

With a $1.2 billion state budget shortfall, it remains to be seen whether the Legislature will find time for a potentially prolonged debate over loosening drug laws - even if proponents say the measures will save the state millions in law enforcement spending and create new tax revenue.

South Maui Rep. Joe Bertram III and Sen. J. Kalani English - who represents Upcountry, East Maui, Lanai and Molokai - said the most substantial bills in the hopper would decriminalize small amounts of marijuana and legalize medical-marijuana dispensaries.

English's medical-marijuana dispensary bill, which he co-sponsored, already passed on first reading Thursday. He will introduce his decriminalization bill today, said English's committee clerk, Sharon Lum Ho.

"As for marijuana decriminalization, our youth are faced with the challenge of making the right choices in a very complex world," Yabuta wrote in an e-mail to The Maui News.

For elected officials to make marijuana seem more acceptable than ever in Hawaii, by essentially removing it from the state's list of illegal drugs, would make it harder for police officers to do their jobs and for young people to make healthy lifestyle choices, Yabuta said.

"Simply put, proponents consider marijuana a harmless drug. We consider it to be both harmful during youth development and a gateway drug, where young users are more apt to experiment with harder drugs with unimaginable addictive qualities," Yabuta said.

English's 18-page bill would decriminalize possession of 1 ounce or less of marijuana and dub the act "the lowest police priority." The proposal would not apply to dealers or people driving under the influence of marijuana.

Marijuana would remain illegal, but those caught by police with it would face a civil fine of no more than $100, much like traffic citations, according to the bill. English wants the fines to be funneled to prevention programs that help at-risk families through an assortment of early-childhood and anti-abuse initiatives.

These are tough economic times, and English said he would not be endorsing these bills without that extra push.

"The benefits of establishing a civil violation for the possession of small amounts of marijuana far outweigh the costs and benefits of the current criminal treatment of this offense," English wrote in his bill, which has companion House legislation co-authored by Bertram last year that remains active.

Eighteen states, which include individual cities and counties, have marijuana decriminalization laws for 1 ounce or less. States with the largest populations, New York and California, have decriminalized small amounts of marijuana, English said. And it has proved to work, he said.

English added that he will co-sponsor a bill introduced last year by Leeward Oahu Sen. Will Espero and carried over to this session. The bill would follow California's lead and legalize dispensaries for medical marijuana. Counties would regulate the private dispensaries, much as they do liquor establishments.

Medical marijuana - prescribed by a doctor for chronic or terminal diseases, such as cancer and HIV/AIDS - has been legal in Hawaii for nearly 10 years.

"Ironically, it appears that both Senator English and law enforcement, such as the Maui Police Department, use California's 'lead' to exemplify our opposing views of legalized medical-marijuana dispensaries," Yabuta said. "Senator English's impression is that these dispensaries are selling marijuana exclusively to medical-marijuana patients. However, our police colleagues in California share a much different view.

"In California, what may be perceived to be a medical-marijuana dispensary is probably no more than a storefront for marijuana, with or without a prescription," said Yabuta, who consulted with the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office. "In my opinion, the decree of treating only those patients requiring prescribed marijuana for medical benefit does not exist in California's medical-marijuana dispensaries, and the damage that these dispensaries have imposed on surrounding neighborhoods are evident. Rural and tranquil communities, very much like Maui, have been erased from what once was, and are now plagued with a marijuana-driven culture that has manifested violence."

Yabuta pointed out he has not seen California's budget woes solved by relaxed marijuana laws.

Bertram and English said setting aside the issue to focus on the budget deficit would be a mistake. Marijuana law reform is part of the budget solution, they said.

California, although admittedly much larger in population, still rakes in about $50 million annually in dispensary sales taxes, Bertram said.

"What we're talking about is solving the budget crisis," Bertram said. "Every bit helps."

The national marijuana-advocacy group, NORMAL, estimated Hawaii had $750 million worth of cannabis sales in 2005.

English said the state spends $6.2 million annually to enforce marijuana laws and for court costs - not to mention the $88,000 a year required to house an inmate. And Hawaii prisons are full, he added.

English also alleged that marijuana-enforcement laws are not effective. A 2007 University of Hawaii-West Oahu study on decriminalizing marijuana concluded that only about 2 percent of regular marijuana users "risk arrest," and that the chance of a marijuana user being arrested and convicted is only 0.4 percent.

"It can be a very important source of revenue, with money coming in and money not going out ( for prosecuting offenders )," Bertram said. "It's wonderful."

The current medicinal-marijuana law is not realistic for patients, who are forced to become criminals, Bertram said.

Most people don't have the knowledge and experience - or the three months and physical labor it takes - to grow the seven plants of marijuana permitted by current law. Cardholders are allowed to have in their home 7 ounces of the dried plant.

"Just prohibiting things doesn't stop it. We learned that from Prohibition, where the black market and criminal syndicates flourished," Bertram said. "It's the prohibition that creates violence. But if you have a hold on it, you can regulate it, and you make some money off of it."

Many nations across the globe have learned that lesson, he said. And the Obama administration has been paying attention, both Bertram and English said.

Early last year, the Obama administration instituted a "hands-off" policy regarding medical marijuana and backed off the Bush administration policy of using federal law-enforcement agents to raid dispensaries.

However, the U.S. Department of Justice continues to list marijuana as an illegal drug, and the Hawaii Department of Public Safety still enforces those laws. A spokesman for Gov. Linda Lingle did not respond to a request seeking comment.

"All this negative stuff about cannabis was just invented to get people to believe this is poison," Bertram said. "I don't blame them ( law-enforcement officials ). A lot of their funding relies on it, but some laws are not right. They don't produce the results we are looking for; so we need to adjust them. That's what we're doing."


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LAPD Chief: Pot Clinics Not Plagued by Crime

CALIFORNIA - Despite neighborhood complaints, most medical marijuana clinics are not typically the magnets for crime that critics often portray, according to Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck.

"Banks are more likely to get robbed than medical marijuana dispensaries," Beck said at a recent meeting with editors and reporters of the Los Angeles Daily News.

Opponents of the pot clinics complain that they attract a host of criminal activity to the neighborhoods, including robberies. But a report that Beck recently had the department generate looking at citywide robberies in 2009 found that simply wasn't the case.

"I have tried to verify that because that, of course, is the mantra," said Beck. "It doesn't really bear out."

In 2009, the LAPD received reports of 71 robberies at the more than 350 banks in the city, compared to 47 robberies at medical marijuana facilities which number at least 800, the chief said in a follow up interview, in which he provided statistics from the report.

Beck said he had asked for a comparison of robberies at the two types of businesses because of the growing public outcry -- as the City Council debates tighter restrictions on clinics -- that those facilities have become an increasing target for crime.

He said he thought a comparison of banks and medical marijuana dispensaries was appropriate because of their similarities as potential targets -- both have large sums of cash and are often heavily fortified.

The statistics do not include crime at ATM machines, bank outlets in markets or crimes committed on the property surrounding banks or medical marijuana dispensaries.

He also acknowledged that banks report all their robberies to authorities, while some medical marijuana facilities may not.

"This is just a snapshot, a statistic. It doesn't reflect quality of life issues, it doesn't reflect the things the public complains about (regarding) medical marijuana locations," Beck said. "It does give you some idea of (what the) level of crime is."

Many community activists believe there is a connection between the growth of medical marijuana dispensaries and the rise of crime in their neighborhoods.

"We expect that to be the case, especially if they're not controlled and regulated properly," said J.J. Popowich president of the Winnetka Neighborhood Council, which boasts of having helped shut down a dispensary on Vanowen Street last year.

Popowich said he is not against the existence of medical marijuana dispensaries so long as they are tightly regulated and located outside residential communities.

A spokesman for Americans for Safe Access, a statewide advocacy group for medical marijuana clinics, said his group does not believe claims linking dispensaries with increases in crime.

"The issue of whether they are magnets for crime is centered largely around exaggerated claims by law enforcement officials that excessive crime exists in the first place and these facilities are the source for it," said ASA spokesman Kris Hermes.

"Our own research in a number of cities has found quite the opposite to be true."

While Beck does not believe most dispensaries are magnets for crime, he does believe medical marijuana clinics should be subject to increased scrutiny and regulation.

He would like to see the number of clinics citywide limited to about 75. He also would like dispensaries to be required to disclose the names of their patients, although he said specific medical conditions could be withheld for privacy reasons.

Medical marijuana advocates oppose such disclosures.

"We're very concerned about local government's ability to have direct, unfettered access to patient records," Hermes said. "Allowing only access to names is better than allowing access to addresses, phone numbers and medical conditions. But even (turning over) names should not be done without a subpoena."

Beck said another statistic to be considered in the debate over medical marijuana dispensaries is that last year the LAPD served 39 search warrants at dispensaries and made 60 arrests, most for unlawful sales.

"The bottom line is that this all speaks to the fact (dispensaries) need to be regulated," he said. "That's why I support the (city) council coming up with their regulations."

The number of medical marijuana facilities in Los Angeles, and particularly the San Fernando Valley, has exploded since 2007. For months the City Council has been debating a new ordinance to restrict their locations near schools and homes. One possible proposal could eliminate most small dispensaries, leading to only a few "big-box" pot stores in isolated industrial areas.

Councilman Dennis Zine said the council has not fully completed drafting an ordinance but that the disclosure of medical marijuana dispensary members continues to be an issue.

"We know (there is) a lot of abuse," Zine said. "Everyone admits there is, even the dispensaries. We need to make sure there isn't abuse -- that the people who go (to dispensaries) aren't just using a ruse to get high.

"So we need some kind of verification of their membership and their legitimacy as clients."



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Crime Down In States With Medical Marijuana Dispensaries

There’s a lot of concern from citizens far removed from the medical marijuana movement regarding crime associated with new changes in the law. After over 70 years of misinformation and propaganda it’s no wonder confusion is so rampant.

With the exception of a few dispensaries being robbed, there have been no noticeable increases in crime near dispensaries. The simple fact that dispensaries have existed for such a short period in history also makes it very difficult to associate any increase in crime with dispensaries.

Additionally, sources like CNN have released stories this year about the possibility of an increase in crime in large cities being associated with the economy. How can one differentiate any increase in crime when factors like the economy exist. For this same reason is is impossible to say that dispensaries actually decrease crime either.

The theory that dispensaries cause crime leaves to question all the areas in the country with an increase in crime, but without any medical marijuana dispensaries. Unless a dispensary is directly involved in some sort of criminal activity it is impossible to say if crime increased in any area solely due to the dispensary. If crime were on an upward swing this would all matter, but crime is actually down and mostly so in the region of the United States where dispensaries exist.

Let’s take the FBI’s Preliminary Annual Uniform Crime Report. According to the data, the western area of the United States saw the greatest decrease in murders, and came in second to the mid-west in greatest decrease in violent crimes, aggravated assaults, and larceny.

Given the fact that the majority of the western states (CA, OR, WA, MT, NV, NM, and CO) in the country have legalized medical marijuana, it seems if legalizing medical marijuana causes crime there would be an increase in these crimes, not a decrease. More importantly, this area shouldn’t be the part of the country with the greatest decline if medical marijuana causes crime.

Since California has had legalized medical marijuana the longest, the data for this state was run through the Angela Macdonald number cruncher. Here are the shifts in some of the larger cities in California from 2007 to 2008:

Anaheim
Violent Crime: (-7.8%) Robbery: (-1.38%) Aggravated Assault: (-11.52%)
Property Crime: (-5.31%) Burglary: (-12.21%) Larceny: (-1.09%) Vehicle Theft: (-14.26%)

Bakersfield
Violent Crime: (5.92%) Robbery: (12.56%) Aggravated Assault: (1.57%)
Property Crime: (.64%) Burglary: (17.84%) Larceny: (-3.83%) Vehicle Theft: (-5.7%)

Chula Vista
Violent Crime: (-9.66%) Robbery: (-18.94%) Aggravated Assault: (-2.17%)
Property Crime: (-10.51%) Burglary: (-7.78%) Larceny: (-11.9%) Vehicle Theft: (-9.56%)

Fremont
Violent Crime: (-5.12%) Robbery: (0%) Aggravated Assault: (-8.98%)
Property Crime: (-5.41%) Burglary: (-15.09%) Larceny: (-0.29%) Vehicle Theft: (-9.83%)

Fresno
Violent Crime: (-8.58%) Robbery: (-10.87%) Aggravated Assault: (-6.15%)
Property Crime: (5.18%) Burglary: (7.08%) Larceny: (8.10%) Vehicle Theft: (-6.11%)

Irvine
Violent Crime: (-9.79%) Robbery: (22.73%) Aggravated Assault: (-26.32%)
Property Crime: (-1.38%) Burglary: (-29.04%) Larceny: (6.32%) Vehicle Theft: (-5.58%)

Long Beach
Violent Crime: (-7.82%) Robbery: (-1.26%) Aggravated Assault: (-13.16%)
Property Crime: (0.09%) Burglary: (6.02%) Larceny: (-2.43%) Vehicle Theft: (0.42%)

Los Angeles
Violent Crime: (-4.51%) Robbery: (-0.44%) Aggravated Assault: (-8.73%)
Property Crime: (-0.63%) Burglary: (0.49%) Larceny: (0.29%) Vehicle Theft: (-3.83%)

Modesto
Violent Crime: (-3.42%) Robbery: (-5.09%) Aggravated Assault: (-3.64%)
Property Crime: (-9.61%) Burglary: (7.99%) Larceny: (-10.65%) Vehicle Theft: (-25.31%)

Oakland
Violent Crime: (3.94%) Robbery: (-4.24%) Aggravated Assault: (11.11%)
Property Crime: (-9.2%) Burglary: (-5.36%) Larceny: (-0.44%) Vehicle Theft: (-18.89%)

Riverside
Violent Crime: (1.53%) Robbery: (5.83%) Aggravated Assault: (-3.26%)
Property Crime: (-0.85%) Burglary: (-0.85%) Larceny: (2.1%) Vehicle Theft: (-12.19%)

Sacramento
Violent Crime: (-9.13%) Robbery: (-12.34%) Aggravated Assault: (-6.91%)
Property Crime: (-7.79%) Burglary: (-3.8%) Larceny: (-4.12%) Vehicle Theft: (-19.15%)

San Bernardino
Violent Crime: (-3.53%) Robbery: (-9.63%) Aggravated Assault: (2.48%)
Property Crime: (-6.46%) Burglary: (4.04%) Larceny: (-5.32%) Vehicle Theft: (-17.4%)

San Diego
Violent Crime: (-4.5%) Robbery: (-3.63%) Aggravated Assault: (-7.34%)
Property Crime: (-8.61%) Burglary: (0.83%) Larceny: (-5.67%) Vehicle Theft: (-19.26%)

San Jose
Violent Crime: (-3.09%) Robbery: (5.24%) Aggravated Assault: (-7.09%)
Property Crime: (-7.33%) Burglary: (-22.30%) Larceny: (3.12%) Vehicle Theft: (-18.46%)

Santa Ana
Violent Crime: (-11.35%) Robbery: (8.09%) Aggravated Assault: (-27.04%)
Property Crime: (-10.48%) Burglary: (8.29%) Larceny: (-7.17%) Vehicle Theft: (-26.9%)

Stockton
Violent Crime: (2.51%) Robbery: (-3.53%) Aggravated Assault: (6.53%)
Property Crime: (-3.87%) Burglary: (7.38%) Larceny: (-5.78%) Vehicle Theft: (-11.97%)

With the exception of the occasional dispensary robbery, there is no evidence to show an increase in crime with direct connection to medical marijuana dispensaries. Even with these robberies in mind, it stands to question why any place is robbed.

After analyzing the numbers, it seems strange that anyone would try to say medical marijuana causes any crime. If anything, the data shows quite the opposite.

Logic determines that when a crime is no longer a crime there will be less criminals. What does it say when the primary reason produced by most of the counties, cities, and towns to support banning dispensaries is completely unfounded? What will the next excuse be?


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When it is all said and done for me cannabis should be looked at no difrently than alcahol or tabaco.A world where medical"mariujuana"is alowed would be nice but what about the people like me who smoke for the mind alternating efect's.Where do we fit in?I still look to the dutch and there way of veiwing cannabis as the the best way to proseed.
 
Like you, I think if you aren't using it medicinally, then it should be classified like alcohol. :cheer::peace:

Alcohol kills people and causes all sorts of family and social problems because of the way it acts on the central nervous system. It can be very addicting, and it ruins motor skills.

On the other hand, Cannabis is beneficial in many cases, generally harmless, and only bad if someone uses it irresponsibly or GETS ARRESTED.

It's wrong to treat the two the same way.
 
Hawaii is slow moving when it wants or has to be.
However, Maui County Police Chief Gary Yabuta said he believes measures, especially those proposed by two Maui lawmakers, would send the wrong message to kids and damage neighborhoods.
What Yabuta wants is to still be protecting his HUI!! No matter how local thing are or how they appear to be, yes certain old time factions (HUI'S) of clansmen hold rank over many on the islands, FACT!!. Being here over 35 years it is seen amongst us all, and mostly taken with a grain of salt. As the days go by so do these ol' timers. There is a new Generational change of the guard so to speak, taking over and have savy business skills than their predecessors. They understand the value of working this together and everyone wins.
 
Analysis: Denver Pot Shops' Robbery Rate Lower Than Banks'

A Denver Police Department analysis estimates that medical- marijuana dispensaries in the city were robbed or burglarized at a lower rate last year than either banks or liquor stores.

The analysis — contained in a memo authored by Division Chief Tracie Keesee for Denver City Council members — finds that the projected robbery and burglary rate for storefront dispensaries in 2009 was on par with that of pharmacies.

The analysis is the first time Denver police have sought to compare crime at dispensaries with that at other businesses, and it represents a best-guess at a crime rate for the city's rapidly evolving dispensary industry. Denver police spokesman John White said he didn't want to speculate on the bigger meaning of the numbers until the department can do a more thorough analysis.

But the memo comes as welcome news to medical-marijuana advocates, who have sought to convince state and local officials that dispensaries are not crime magnets.

"It sounds anecdotally about right," said Matt Brown, with the pro-dispensary group Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation. ". . . Occasionally they happen. (Dispensaries) are by no means immune to crime. But they're far more manageable than some of the public outrage would lead you to believe."

Police departments in other parts of the state — and in other states as well — have reported spikes in medical-marijuana-related crime coinciding with increases in the number of dispensaries in their communities.

Denver police statisticians arrived at the estimated crime rate for dispensaries by looking at the total number of burglaries or robberies reported at storefront dispensaries in 2009 — eight — and projecting what that number would have been had all the dispensaries operating in Denver at the end of the year been open for the full year.

The figures do not include medical-marijuana-related crimes that occurred outside storefront dispensaries — such as robberies of medical-marijuana delivery services or home-based caregivers. Previously, Denver police officials have said there were at least 25 medical-marijuana-related robberies or burglaries in the city in the last six months of 2009.

The projected 16.8 percent burglary and robbery rate for dispensaries is equal to that of pharmacies. It's below the 19.7 percent rate of liquor stores and the 33.7 percent rate for banks, the analysis found.

State Sen. Chris Romer, a Denver Democrat who has been working to create regulations for Colorado's medical-marijuana system, said the numbers show that crime at dispensaries should not be ignored.

But he said it also shows that the crime rate is not so high as to necessitate the banning of dispensaries, which one proposal floating around the state Capitol would effectively do.


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"In California, what may be perceived to be a medical-marijuana dispensary is probably no more than a storefront for marijuana, with or without a prescription," said Yabuta, who consulted with the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office. "In my opinion, the decree of treating only those patients requiring prescribed marijuana for medical benefit does not exist in California's medical-marijuana dispensaries, and the damage that these dispensaries have imposed on surrounding neighborhoods are evident. Rural and tranquil communities, very much like Maui, have been erased from what once was, and are now plagued with a marijuana-driven culture that has manifested violence."

It should read, "and are now plagued with an anti-marijuana-driven culture that has manifested violence," because it is the anti-mmj peeps that want to shoot us rural residents in the face and wipe us out of existence. At every city council meeting, there is a 100:1 ratio of pro-mmj vs anti-mmj people there, and it is that 1%, those anti-mmj peeps that want to drive the rest of us to hell in a handbasket, not our peaceful group of patients who try to use the gentle voice of reason against such hatred.

Interesting too, that Yabuta went to the LA district attorney instead of San Francisco's for "moral" support.

Thanks, User, for posting this article and the articles of rebuttal. I hope Yabuta reads this. You just know he Googles his own name daily....:ganjamon:
 
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