HReeferman
New Member
Hello all. Been getting a ton of great info to start off from this site, finally took the plunge and started my first grow. Just need some for medical use, not much, but would really like for this grow not to go bad. I'm about 4 1/2 weeks in and was going to start flowering next week, but I'm kind of nervous because I think I will have lost some big fan leaves by then.
I'm using Cyco coco/perlite blend and did nothing to it. Doing 3 plants, each a different strain from Nirvana, Papaya, Northern Lights, and Blue Mystic. They are Indica's but I think one is a hybrid, forgot which one. Started in 3 gal smart pots (maybe I should have started smaller) but just increased area I watered until 4 nodes or so, then started watering entire container. Have been using Canna A&B, Rhizo and Zyme. I started with just tap water for about 1 1/2 week which was 200 PPM (500 scale) like Canna says to use. But after contacting my water company, they said there is no calcium, magnesium, or iron in the water. Where the hell the 200 PPM is coming from without those elements I have no idea. So started using 75% RO water with 25% tap a little more than a week ago to which I add Cal-Mag+ to to bring PPM's to 200 before mixing in the Canna, but the problems just seem to keep growing with more leaves showing problems. Some are curling up, some are curling down and some are turning yellow.
PH kept 5.8 through all feedings.
600 w MH that I kept at 1/3 power at 18" away for a couple days and then went to 75%. Went to 100% after a few days but then went back down to 75% because I didn't know if it was nute burn or the lights. I've been back to 100% now for more than a week at 18". I have an air cooled head with a fan that is cool to touch both top and bottom. Temperature ranges between low 80's when lights are on to mid 70's when off. Humidity ranges between 55%-65% although I try to keep it at 60%.
I've been watering to get 50% runoff to try to make sure stuff is getting flushed (I know that's excessive).
I can't tell if it's nute burn or underfeeding or a deficiency.
The Blue Mystic has some mottling in the leaves which might not be that evident in the photo, and on the big leaf that's looking the worst the area between the veins is definitely a lot lighter, and the edges are curling up on some of the bigger leaves. The very early leaves are pretty much all dried up.
On the Northern Lights, the leaves are looking pretty green without the light areas, but the two biggest leaves from a few nodes ago have their edges curling down badly with their tips turning yellow.
The Papaya's growth looks like it's been real stunted from the begging and never looked good. The color or the leave were always kind of a lime green and the veins were definitely darker. All the tips are burned and one of the only big leaves on it is on it's way out.
I was trying real hard to not overfeed. I just used plain tap water for first ten days letting the top of the coco dry a little between waterings, then started with what I thought were light nutes, <400 PPM including my tap water. Next watering was 4 days later at 250 PPM because I thought I was getting a little nute burn especially on the Papaya. Then I thought I was feeding too little for their size and the next feeding was a couple days later at 550 PPM. Then I did another feeding 4 days later again at 550 PPM. The coco still had moisture, but I figured if I was overwatering I would see it by them drooping, which I haven't. It still looked like I was getting nute burn so the next feeding was 3 days later back down to 350 PPM. There was still some light mottling, especially to the Blue Mystic, which I thought was from underfeeding so fed everything at 600 PPM and there were still a lot of light areas between veins which I attributed to underfeeding so gave them 650 PPM the next day, which was yesterday. All these PPM's again, are total including RO water/tap water/calmag+
So the gist of it is, I have no idea if I am (or have been) overfeeding or underfeeding or have some other issue. I just know that at no time did any of these plants look healthy throughout. And I thought COCO was going to be easy. I can hardly wait till they open up a dispensary here so I can just go in and buy the stuff without all this trouble, lol.
Below are photos of both the bad leaves and the new growth.
I'm using Cyco coco/perlite blend and did nothing to it. Doing 3 plants, each a different strain from Nirvana, Papaya, Northern Lights, and Blue Mystic. They are Indica's but I think one is a hybrid, forgot which one. Started in 3 gal smart pots (maybe I should have started smaller) but just increased area I watered until 4 nodes or so, then started watering entire container. Have been using Canna A&B, Rhizo and Zyme. I started with just tap water for about 1 1/2 week which was 200 PPM (500 scale) like Canna says to use. But after contacting my water company, they said there is no calcium, magnesium, or iron in the water. Where the hell the 200 PPM is coming from without those elements I have no idea. So started using 75% RO water with 25% tap a little more than a week ago to which I add Cal-Mag+ to to bring PPM's to 200 before mixing in the Canna, but the problems just seem to keep growing with more leaves showing problems. Some are curling up, some are curling down and some are turning yellow.
PH kept 5.8 through all feedings.
600 w MH that I kept at 1/3 power at 18" away for a couple days and then went to 75%. Went to 100% after a few days but then went back down to 75% because I didn't know if it was nute burn or the lights. I've been back to 100% now for more than a week at 18". I have an air cooled head with a fan that is cool to touch both top and bottom. Temperature ranges between low 80's when lights are on to mid 70's when off. Humidity ranges between 55%-65% although I try to keep it at 60%.
I've been watering to get 50% runoff to try to make sure stuff is getting flushed (I know that's excessive).
I can't tell if it's nute burn or underfeeding or a deficiency.
The Blue Mystic has some mottling in the leaves which might not be that evident in the photo, and on the big leaf that's looking the worst the area between the veins is definitely a lot lighter, and the edges are curling up on some of the bigger leaves. The very early leaves are pretty much all dried up.
On the Northern Lights, the leaves are looking pretty green without the light areas, but the two biggest leaves from a few nodes ago have their edges curling down badly with their tips turning yellow.
The Papaya's growth looks like it's been real stunted from the begging and never looked good. The color or the leave were always kind of a lime green and the veins were definitely darker. All the tips are burned and one of the only big leaves on it is on it's way out.
I was trying real hard to not overfeed. I just used plain tap water for first ten days letting the top of the coco dry a little between waterings, then started with what I thought were light nutes, <400 PPM including my tap water. Next watering was 4 days later at 250 PPM because I thought I was getting a little nute burn especially on the Papaya. Then I thought I was feeding too little for their size and the next feeding was a couple days later at 550 PPM. Then I did another feeding 4 days later again at 550 PPM. The coco still had moisture, but I figured if I was overwatering I would see it by them drooping, which I haven't. It still looked like I was getting nute burn so the next feeding was 3 days later back down to 350 PPM. There was still some light mottling, especially to the Blue Mystic, which I thought was from underfeeding so fed everything at 600 PPM and there were still a lot of light areas between veins which I attributed to underfeeding so gave them 650 PPM the next day, which was yesterday. All these PPM's again, are total including RO water/tap water/calmag+
So the gist of it is, I have no idea if I am (or have been) overfeeding or underfeeding or have some other issue. I just know that at no time did any of these plants look healthy throughout. And I thought COCO was going to be easy. I can hardly wait till they open up a dispensary here so I can just go in and buy the stuff without all this trouble, lol.
Below are photos of both the bad leaves and the new growth.
