On The Shoulders of Giants: Hempy/Coco/OC+/GLH

Jozo-sha

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The reason for this journal's name is because anything I do in here with any degree of success is because of the awesome growers who have done the hard work before me: Irish Boy, SS, DocBud, VerdantGreen, Rumpleforeskin and others whose grows I've followed and learned from -- as Isaac Newton stated: "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants.". You guys are my giants.

I thank you all from the bottom of heart for helping all those who ask here, and for being an inspiration to us novices. :thanks:

My previous grows have been with DWC, using LED lighting units from "her", but after seeing the magnificent yields of GLH, Irish Boy and others, I purchased two of the new Spectra LED 300's from Michael. those will be used to light my 3' x 5' x 7' tent, while I use an old 126w HGL unit for maintaining a mom or two and for rooting clones and/or popping beans.

I scored a nice block of coco from a pal of mine, and I've spent the last few weeks hydrating it and rinsing it by putting it in my 3 gallon hempy buckets, and slow flowing softened tap water through it all, periodically checking the color of the effluent in a small tumbler (the larger tumblers were being used for Sailor Jerry and Dr. Pepper!).

I also have a couple of other types of coco yet to fart around with, blocks from Botanicare and then the coco "Boss" (I think also from Botanicare) self-contained 1 gallon plastic things. For this grow, I'm going to use 4-8 rooted clones from my mom SAGE (*story on her health and recent clone developments below*), and some beans I have ordered from The Attitude:

  • Next Generation Dynamite (Regular seeds)
  • Female Seeds Grapefruit ® (Feminized)
  • TH Seeds A-Train (Feminized)
  • Dinafem Seeds Sweet Deep Grapefruit (Feminized)

Those, plus the freebies (Blue Widow, Super Skunk, PE and Cali Hash Plant) and 3 bagseed beans I have from some very nice middies should provide plenty of variety and future breeding stock! This grow is about experimentation and learning; I've done nothing but hydro and LEDs in all my grows, so that's nothing new -- just going from DWC to Hempy/Coco and new LED units will be the big changes.

I prepared my coco by slow rinsing it in 3 gallon buckets (hempy drilled) in the laundry room sink with softened water, and also cycling some in a hydrofarm drip ring unit with RO/DI from the store. After it was running off fairly clear, I drained it pretty thoroughly and the mixed it in a 3:1 ratio with perlite. This will be mixed with OC+, 28 gm. to each gallon of coco.

I have 3 x one gallon mini totes and 2 x 3 gallon buckets all pre-drilled and ready for the media -- I might try growing one cutting in the recirculating drip hydrofarm using just coco and Flora Nova Grow/Bloom, just for giggles. I know my days of DWC are past, and if the hempy/coco/OC+ method produces quality meds for myself an my patients, I'm satisfied.

I will be watering with RO/DI from my local store, and adding CaMg+ to that at the rate of 5ml/gal. As you can see, I've taking all my ideas from the grows from "The Giants" before me!:thanks:


Now the subplot - my poor SAGE mom: I've neglected the hell out of her, barely topped off her water/nutes, pruned her aggressively and done all the things one *shouldn't* do to a mom. The clones I've all snipped from her have died, for a tiny bit of neglect on my part. The inner lip of the Botanicare cloner top had algae growing in it, contributing to all my clones getting rot on the stems. I spent all afternoon cleaning the beejezus out of it (hot water/soap, then hot water/bleach and finally a hot water rinse), the pumps, netcups and neoprene disks. I then pruned and cleaned out all the dead/decaying and very yellowed leaves, stems and stalks, and gave her a fresh pure water root rinse after a root pruning, and fresh mixed nutes.

I know, I need a beating for being such a poor father :confused:

She's now downstairs next to the big tent, in her own 2' x 2' x 5' tent, where I hope she'll recover and get healthy soon. I also picked up a 25 plug "Rapid Rooter" or "Rabid Rewter" or something, didn't come with a plastic humidity dome, so I didn't open it up yet. I'm hoping a kickass cleaning on the Botanicare cloner and a healthy mom will result in rooted clones soon.

If any of you have suggestions, ideas and in general want to heckle me, this is the place. I'll have some pix of the preliminaries soon.

:peace:
 
Yo Z I'm along for the ride, no doubt. Can't wait to see your coco hempys, thinking about going that route myself.

Sorry about your mother, I'm sure she will recover with a little tlc. Bring on the pics!


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'sup, Marley! Mom Sage is recovering, the green is starting to come back in her leaves and she's not looking so 'worn out' -- I'm hoping she's healthy enough to take cuts from by early next week. Maybe I'll skip clones and just pop a bunch of femmed seeds and see what grows :rollit:

I'm along for the ride too. :popcorn::reading420magazine:

Thanks for dropping by HempRocket :bongrip: Enjoy the show!

I'm still waiting for my lights from GLH to arrive, they're the new models and apparently quite a bit stronger output than the older ones -- I think I read somewhere they're actually 395w for the Spectra 300...I don't know if that is total wattage from the unit as a whole or just the LED and constant current driver power usage. Maybe Michael will drop by and chime in.

I ordered my seeds from the Attitude and they're already in the US somewhere; I should have them by Saturday, I think. I've always had good luck with them and pretty fast shipping. As far as the reasoning behind getting female seeds is so I can pop a few, pick the phenotype I like and get a mom for each strain. I don't know how many I can keep, unless I learn to maintain them in little 1 gallon hempy pots - the new 2' x 2' tent isn't exactly huge, so making best use of the space is what I need to learn. The Dynamite was only available in regular seed, so I'm hoping for a male in the bunch so I can do a seed run of that strain (although where I will do this still remains to be seen).

Here's some boring pics of prep work, I know people want bud porn, but I haven't even got lights or clones or seeds yet! :peace:

Generic coco from a friend:
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Drilled 3 gallon buckets:
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Mama Sage in happier days:
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3' x 5' tent, with growing stuff:
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In these, the purple mini totes are one gallon, I drilled them for hempy, they'll get watered and I'll collect the run off in the cat litter pans. Trying to keep it lo-tech, simple and easy for me to maintain.
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Rising coco in a 3 gallon hempy bucket:
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My new 2' x 2' tent:
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all ready for OC+ and putting in one gallon pots:
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Damn, damn, damn. I should have caught it sooner.

You guessed it. F@!#ing spider mites. Treating mom with 5ml/gal of Azatrol in her res, and foliar sprayed her with 2.5ml/gal of the same. I'll repeat the spray in 24 hours, and see how she's responding.

I'll change out the reservoir in 36 hours and hope that she doesn't die. As my pal put it, "If she dies, it's a bummer, but we all came from seed in one form or another..."

I'm still anxiously awaiting my lights and my seeds. I'm so freaking ready to start this grow!

Here's a few pics of the mite infested mom and the 2' x 2' tent all lit up (these are white balance corrected. Did I mention I love my camera?).

Peace.
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fvcking bastards. I hate spider mites.

:bitingnails:
 
Spider mites are horrible. I got a problem on my mother. All my clones are clean though. I use a neem oil based insecticide to mix a dip, and submerge the entire plant.

The best thing to do is take clones, and clean those off, then regrow a mother. It's the most effective way. Without scrapping every plant and bombing the growroom.

I really want the mother to stay alive for an outdoor grow show, though. :) So I am keeping her as un-infested as possible with bi-weekly sprays.

What kinda camera?
 
Those are the 2011 models correct? Really looking forward to how these new ones perform, subscribbled.

Thanks for coming by Outdoorsman! :welcome: Michael said that I was getting the new models -- it's been 15 days now since my order; I'm starting to get antsy since I have beans on the way too, and no backup lights.

Spider mites are horrible. I got a problem on my mother. All my clones are clean though. I use a neem oil based insecticide to mix a dip, and submerge the entire plant.

The best thing to do is take clones, and clean those off, then regrow a mother. It's the most effective way. Without scrapping every plant and bombing the growroom.

I really want the mother to stay alive for an outdoor grow show, though. :) So I am keeping her as un-infested as possible with bi-weekly sprays.

What kinda camera?

Heya Lou Weed (love that handle, BTW!), yeah spider mites suck. She's looking much better today, leaves starting to reach back up to the lights, not droopy at all. I think I'll just nurse her back to health (as long as it takes) and take cuts later, and regrow a mom like you suggested. I'll then take this mom and let her flower out under the new lights.

My camera is Fuji FinePix S1800 -- it was under $200 and was as close to a DSLR I could get without going broke. It's got a 'super-macro' setting that will easily show trichs -- that is if I wasn't so fucking shaky and would buy a tripod :bong:

I know that journals like this are boring at first, but it's a good chance for me to get my thoughts out and solicit advice, so I promise when I get my lights and seeds, the pace will pick up here.

My 3' x 5' tent is going to have almost 800w, and my current plans (since the sage mom is on vacation) are to germinate the free feminized seeds (Blue Widow, Cali Hash Plant, Super Skunk and PE), veg them until I can take cuts for moms, then flip 'em 12/12. I'm probably going to build another shelf in my old cabinet and mount some CFL's in there and see if I can master the art of maintaining 'bonsai' moms. I'd like to be able to have more than one strain available for my patients and do so without having to have have all kinds of extra space. The seeds I actually purchased will be kept in reserve until I see how the new lights and my coco/hempy techniques work out.

I went to my local city and got a water analysis, but unfortunately, it was just the FDA stuff regarding arsenic levels and crap like that. I may just spend the $$ for a saltwater aquarium test kit and test it myself. The tap at my house runs through a softener too, so that will be something else to take into consideration. In the meantime, I'll just use my store-bought water from the machines, add Cal-Mag+ and keep it simple.
 
I have cal mag and am curious is store bought water def. in cal/mag or are you just supplementing?
i use spring water and sometimes purified.
 
I have cal mag and am curious is store bought water def. in cal/mag or are you just supplementing?
i use spring water and sometimes purified.

Well, the water dispenser advertises as being "particulate, carbon block, R/O, DI, then UV treated. I've never tested it beyond pH (7.0). I'm assuming that with RO/DI, you essentially have no mineral content, and since coco is known for taking up and buffering Ca, I'm taking no chances.

If I was using just straight perlite, I'd probably still use CaMg for my watering, just probably at half strength. I just don't want to run into any nute lockout issues like Irish Boy seems to be having.
 
Hello zombo, I have had problems with spider mites before too. Only once thank god,but one thing i always stuck 2 after that was setting off an insect bomb that includes spider mites before every crop that i start. It kind of gives me some piece of mind and helps me sleep better. Think preventative maintenance. I am subscribed. Glad i caught you early.:goodluck:
 
Hello zombo, I have had problems with spider mites before too. Only once thank god,but one thing i always stuck 2 after that was setting off an insect bomb that includes spider mites before every crop that i start. It kind of gives me some piece of mind and helps me sleep better. Think preventative maintenance. I am subscribed. Glad i caught you early.:goodluck:

THCScientist :welcome: I'm actually starting to lean towards letting this mom flower out then starting afresh with seed for everything. That way, I know the conditions my babies grow up in -- no worries about someone else's poor sanitation habits.

I see people using those No-pest things? Are those good against the mites?

hey hey hey.looks good so far, damn spider mites. hope u get them undercontrol mate.

Thanks Staffy. I took some drastic measures with this mom last night, and I may have killed her. If she survives, I'll credit cannabis for being one tough ass plant!

I took 2 gallons of my coco/perlite medium and mixed in 2 oz. of OC+, then pulled the mom out of DWC (had to hack the netpot, and cut some slime coated rootage off). She's now nestled in the hydrofarm with the above mix as her bed, and a 1 inch deep layer of hydroton on top. For now, it's just RO water and OC+, just to see if she survives this transplant. If she does, all add Cal-Mag and flower her out.

I've got so many seeds on the way, I see this as a chance for a fresh start with some new strains, new techniques and new lights.

Here's a couple of shots of Old Mom Sage after the transplant:
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Well, no news is good news -- I finally got word that the shipment of lights from China was delayed for some reason, and Mike said he'd have them shipped out no later than Feb. 2.

This puts me way the hell behind on getting anything going. Dammit. You'd think for the cost, I could get them in under 6 weeks - the Chinese get paid, and I wait. Why won't an AMERICAN manufacturer make these for the same cost?

Ain't blaming you Michael, your hands are tied up having to depend on China to get the stuff here in a timely manner. I had the same issues waiting for lights from Cammie.
 
Hey Zombo sorry about the lights but be patient, I'm sure they'll be worth it. You look like you're assembling everything you need for a first class grow.

I've read several journals where OC+ has saved some really sickly plants, so don't be surprised if your mom rebounds soon.

I have my containers raised up a few inches and overhanging the risers. I cut down gallon jugs which I use to catch the runoff. I started with a pan the size of your litter box but it was clumsy to work with, unless you're going to set the pots in it. This way I can move the individual plants around and still easily water them. However I have lots more space and headroom to work with, it may not be practical for you.

I've also changed my watering philosophy, I used to overwater a fair amount so they 'whizzed' for 10+ seconds. Now I just water until the res is full and the overflow starts coming out. Plants are doing great and it's a lot less overflow to worry about. My goal is to basically have so little it evaporates on it's own.

I'm a newbie for sure but I've done a lot of reading. My next grow is going to be a hempy 2-liter clone sog, 2 foot tall plants max.

CFLGrow just started a journal doing the same thing. If you want to maximize yield in a tent like yours you may want to check it out, we're copying a grower named Xare on another site. You could probably fit 30+ plants in there all yielding 1/2 oz or more.

And we all know what kickass lights Mike sells. You'd beat that 1/2 oz per plant easy. Xare was pushing 1 oz per.

Take care my friend and good luck!
 
I hear ya on the China shipping, I tried to get a refund when Cammie wanted me to wait 3 weeks for my light but I typed up a big email saying her website claims 3 days the package is shipped and that I wanted my money back for fraudulant statements.

At first I tried for the full refund, after she took 120$ to restock an item that never left China, I took her up on her offer to have the fastest possible shipping time so the package would arrive on time as advertised.(she later changed her website)

..... morale of the story, give him a little shit or see if he will speed up your package if there is a posted shipping time frame. (I was pretty sincere in my emails so theres a little tip)
 
Nice to see you have this grow off and running, but sorry to hear you have to WAIT longer for your lights. But I'm sure they will be worth the wait. I read through your intro and noticed you are using Coco Chips. Are you using any Coir? Also, you said you spent weeks hydrating the Coco? You may want to think about adding something in your media to hold on to the water/nutes. When using the chips most people throw in some Coco Coir to hold water. The chips will allow for great drainage but not much in the way of holding water, even though you'll have a small 'res' at the bottom of your hempy bucket, your medium wont have much water in it. Maybe you have this in mind already, either way great start can't wait to see how this turns out for you!

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Nice to see you have this grow off and running, but sorry to hear you have to WAIT longer for your lights. But I'm sure they will be worth the wait. I read through your intro and noticed you are using Coco Chips. Are you using any Coir? Also, you said you spent weeks hydrating the Coco? You may want to think about adding something in your media to hold on to the water/nutes. When using the chips most people throw in some Coco Coir to hold water. The chips will allow for great drainage but not much in the way of holding water, even though you'll have a small 'res' at the bottom of your hempy bucket, your medium wont have much water in it. Maybe you have this in mind already, either way great start can't wait to see how this turns out for you!

:bravo:

Well, I wasn't sure, after I saw how powdery the coir was, about using it in my grow. I have a brick, I'll hydrate it and see what I think of it :) I was hoping the 25% cut with perlite would aid in water retention and wicking...I guess I was wrong :) Thanks for the tip, Nine Leafer!
 
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