TheFertilizer
Well-Known Member
Hi guys I was hoping to pull some heads together here to try to get an idea of why my plants are N deficient. So to cover the basics...
Soil Black Gold Natural and Organic (0-05-0-0)
LIght: 400w HPS air cooled 16-18" above canopy, switched from MH on 6/3
Temperatures: high 60s to mid 70s, RH 20-30%
Nutrients: FloraNova Grow, Bloom, Humboltd's Own Crystal Burst, GH Armor Si, some organic nutrients my neighbor gave me with unknown constitution (supposedly kelp, alfalfa, bone meal, myco, and bat guano)
pH: All water and solutions pH'd to 6.5 and runoff at 6 to 6.5
Strains: Blackberry Kush, Platinum Girl Scout Cookies, Frankenberry
Plant Age: Most between 5 and 6 weeks from seed, all planted 4/30
Light schedule: 11/13 from seed
Weeks in flower: 1-2, a week or so into stretch
Container size: 1 gallon
Roots: Transplanted 5/9, checked a week or two ago and are nice and healthy
Anyway I think that's all the basic information needed. A little bit more detail about the feedings though...
Three days ago I watered with the organic mix my neighbor gave me. He had little baggies that looked like they had about 3 or 4 tablespoons of the mix in them each and he said he'd normally mix them into 5 gallons, so I used probably about 1-2 table spoons for a gallon. I can't really seem to get much information out of him on the constitution of it, some kind of secret formula or something. So anyway I'm probably just not going to use it anymore, but just trying to include the history.
About three or four days before that, I fed them with Flora Nova Bloom 5 mL/G and Crystal Burst at 5 mL/G with 2.5 mL/G of Armor Si. This was when I was first starting to see symptoms so I expected them to go away.
They've persisted since then through both feedings, so this time around I did...
7.25 mL/G Flora Nova Bloom
2.5 mL/G Flora Nova Grow
5 mL/G Crystal Burst
5 mL/G Armor Si
I am hoping that the added N content from the Grow mix helps but doesn't disrupt the proportions needed for flowering too much. if they don't improve in a few days though I am not sure what else to try, except to leach the soil to treat possible lockouts.
I don't think I have ever had a Nitrogen deficiency before and I question whether or not my Bloom nutrients are still good. They seem a lot more watery than I remember from last year, and when I mixed them the first time around I couldn't shake the bottle up very well because the cap leaks. I saw a bunch of weird flaky material at the bottom of the jug. THIS time around I put the bottle in a grocery bag and shook the ever loving crap out of it, and saw no flaky material at the bottom of the jug. So I am kind of hoping that the first time I fed with the Bloom nutrients it just wasn't mixed up well enough or they're going bad or something, and that I just didn't use enough of my friend's organic mix--as far as I know bat guano isn't that much more nitrogen rich than my bloom mix. I haven't been using very much nutrients prior to this, I think maybe two or three feedings in general and all at very low levels, so I don't think it could be salt buildup locking me out but I really don't have enough experience to say one way or another.
Beyond that, I don't know how they recover from N deficiency. Do the affected leaves stay yellow or will I notice them improve, like basically how do I know when it has stopped?
I am kind of guessing that the stretch increased the plant's nitrogen needs and am really hoping it's just lacking and there's not some kind of lockout going on. They seem pretty healthy otherwise, the red stems have persisted throughout so I think they're just genetic or due to the colder temperatures but they seem unrelated. I've also had weird hooked leaves as if there has been too much N, so that's kind of contradicting... But I did notice the plants that have stretched the least also seem the least affected.
Anyway sorry I know that's a lot to read. I am basically waiting to see if the heavier feed helps and trying to understand what happened. Like I said I haven't ever had a nitrogen problem before so it's kind of unexpected.
Soil Black Gold Natural and Organic (0-05-0-0)
LIght: 400w HPS air cooled 16-18" above canopy, switched from MH on 6/3
Temperatures: high 60s to mid 70s, RH 20-30%
Nutrients: FloraNova Grow, Bloom, Humboltd's Own Crystal Burst, GH Armor Si, some organic nutrients my neighbor gave me with unknown constitution (supposedly kelp, alfalfa, bone meal, myco, and bat guano)
pH: All water and solutions pH'd to 6.5 and runoff at 6 to 6.5
Strains: Blackberry Kush, Platinum Girl Scout Cookies, Frankenberry
Plant Age: Most between 5 and 6 weeks from seed, all planted 4/30
Light schedule: 11/13 from seed
Weeks in flower: 1-2, a week or so into stretch
Container size: 1 gallon
Roots: Transplanted 5/9, checked a week or two ago and are nice and healthy
Anyway I think that's all the basic information needed. A little bit more detail about the feedings though...
Three days ago I watered with the organic mix my neighbor gave me. He had little baggies that looked like they had about 3 or 4 tablespoons of the mix in them each and he said he'd normally mix them into 5 gallons, so I used probably about 1-2 table spoons for a gallon. I can't really seem to get much information out of him on the constitution of it, some kind of secret formula or something. So anyway I'm probably just not going to use it anymore, but just trying to include the history.
About three or four days before that, I fed them with Flora Nova Bloom 5 mL/G and Crystal Burst at 5 mL/G with 2.5 mL/G of Armor Si. This was when I was first starting to see symptoms so I expected them to go away.
They've persisted since then through both feedings, so this time around I did...
7.25 mL/G Flora Nova Bloom
2.5 mL/G Flora Nova Grow
5 mL/G Crystal Burst
5 mL/G Armor Si
I am hoping that the added N content from the Grow mix helps but doesn't disrupt the proportions needed for flowering too much. if they don't improve in a few days though I am not sure what else to try, except to leach the soil to treat possible lockouts.
I don't think I have ever had a Nitrogen deficiency before and I question whether or not my Bloom nutrients are still good. They seem a lot more watery than I remember from last year, and when I mixed them the first time around I couldn't shake the bottle up very well because the cap leaks. I saw a bunch of weird flaky material at the bottom of the jug. THIS time around I put the bottle in a grocery bag and shook the ever loving crap out of it, and saw no flaky material at the bottom of the jug. So I am kind of hoping that the first time I fed with the Bloom nutrients it just wasn't mixed up well enough or they're going bad or something, and that I just didn't use enough of my friend's organic mix--as far as I know bat guano isn't that much more nitrogen rich than my bloom mix. I haven't been using very much nutrients prior to this, I think maybe two or three feedings in general and all at very low levels, so I don't think it could be salt buildup locking me out but I really don't have enough experience to say one way or another.
Beyond that, I don't know how they recover from N deficiency. Do the affected leaves stay yellow or will I notice them improve, like basically how do I know when it has stopped?
I am kind of guessing that the stretch increased the plant's nitrogen needs and am really hoping it's just lacking and there's not some kind of lockout going on. They seem pretty healthy otherwise, the red stems have persisted throughout so I think they're just genetic or due to the colder temperatures but they seem unrelated. I've also had weird hooked leaves as if there has been too much N, so that's kind of contradicting... But I did notice the plants that have stretched the least also seem the least affected.
Anyway sorry I know that's a lot to read. I am basically waiting to see if the heavier feed helps and trying to understand what happened. Like I said I haven't ever had a nitrogen problem before so it's kind of unexpected.
