Nick Hardy's Skunk Works #2 The Giant SIP Outdoor Soil: Thailand!

Thanks for your continued cogitation of this Keffka! The most popular non-water-soluble brand when I got to the site was Xtreme's version, and that contains Arbuscular Mycorrhizal Fungi and Rhizophagus intraradices. Our sponsored version lists theirs as Glomus intraradices, Glomus intraradices, and Glomus mosseae,

Those names are beyond me, so are they all just mycorrhizae as you would define it? I may have a tub of Great White somewhere (probably 6 or 7 years old now) so I'm going to go read the label to see if it's the same as yours.

Yes those are different species of AMF. There’s been some renaming and reclassification going on. Researchers realized that a lot of the initial names and classifications weren’t detailed enough. Some of the samples were too degraded to be accurate, cultures weren’t grown long enough, etc.

I believe the current name for Glomus intraradices is Rhizophagus irregularis. Glomus mossea is now Funneliformis mossea. These are species that form a symbiosis within the roots and their cells, usually forming what’s called an arbuscule to trade nutrients, exudates, and instructions. I’m sure even the names I know are in the process of being changed or updated.

Here’s a shot of the Great White for everyone who doesn’t have it:

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There’s ecto and endo myco in this bottle, and below that there’s a list of the trichoderma and beneficial bacteria it supplies as well. You could see a benefit from the trichoderma, and bacteria, even after chasing off the fungus. The ectomyco is overkill as far as we know but it can’t hurt it.

Real Growers Recharge has some of the same ingredients, and that seems to work well in synthetic gardens. Although the organic acids do, do (heh I said do do) the heavy lifting in that product.

Unfortunately, this does mean that synthetic growers using certain myco products that contain only mycorrhizae and nothing else, are wasting their money.
 
I’ll try at hunt it out but Dynomyco is a multi strain myco. I certainly see what look like myco root colonies in coco - how much this helps the plant growth and health I can’t tell without doing a comparative grow how valuable it is.

Starting using it coincided with me first unlocking how to grow consistently healthy plants - correlation/causation is unclear. Maybe it was just getting environmentals or nute regime dialled in.
 
I’ll try at hunt it out but Dynomyco is a multi strain myco. I certainly see what look like myco root colonies in coco - how much this helps the plant growth and health I can’t tell without doing a comparative grow how valuable it is.

I just went back through this journal and don’t see where you used synthetics at. I see you sprouting in a peat mix which will allow for myco. I saw a soil mix that was organic leaning. I saw coco but I add gallons worth of coco to my mixes for carbon so it’s presence alone isn’t enough.

The closest I saw to synthetics was a SIP only because I’m not sure what you added to the res for feeding. Basically I don’t see anything that screams available P so your myco would/should be fine.

I’m also wondering whether or not a SIP would allow you to sidestep the available P issue by keeping your feed in the res. That’s an interesting possibility and not unheard of. I layer in soft rock phosphate just below my myco which gives it a chance to move around it, I also layer in high P meals like bone and fish bone which also allow the myco to keep their distance while slowly tapping it.

I wonder if the res does this as well. The myco would establish in your seedling pots and on transplant, it would extend through your soil and since the roots would have to feed from the res they would never run into each other. Even after capillary action, by the time res water makes it into the middle of the root ball it’s already been filtered for its nutrients, especially P. P binds fast.

Starting using it coincided with me first unlocking how to grow consistently healthy plants - correlation/causation is unclear. Maybe it was just getting environmentals or nute regime dialled in.

This is a bummer lol. It could’ve just as easily been this as it is the myco. However this doesn’t account for you seeing root colonization. I’ll wait for your response before diving deeper.
 
I trust you've seen @Stunger 's Balcony grow for inspiration?
Cheers Azi, I have been off site for a bit but when I last looked @NickHardy had an astonishing array of plants that made my efforts look quite minimal! But that's ok, it is nice to see folk who aren't as constrained in space. All the best.
 
this journal and don’t see where you used synthetics at
This is first time in soil, all my other grows have been coco with synths. This one has had synths in earlier stages pre going into the SIP which is my first full sized SIP as well sorta. There was another one in leftovers potting soil and coco which died through neglect and weather. I was too busy to tend to it.

There are way too many factors involved for me to base any strong views on good/bad/no impact from previous grows.

But I feel like I need to perhaps test it!
 
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Haven’t seen her in a few days. Definitely put on 1-2” at least. Gotta get her tied down but I know & Co has been really busy. I think I can get home late Saturday 🤞🏼but might be Tuesday 🥲
Sorry for the frown... that's for the pita of delayed return to home. Your plant is getting taller indeed.
 
Sorry for the frown...
My frown is for you thinking I’d mind you frowning for that, Carmen! Thanks yeah some good food and its a healthy thing all round. L is now not feigning missing ne like the actress she is but interested in where ai am and & Co is big on busy fishing off the pier so she’s getting a very well deserved holiday too. We do all miss each other!

That SIP is doing better with & Co's neglect
Ha! 🤣 She was 5 months old and literally just shy of 5ft tall with my neglect - lets compare and contrast a little further along.

Laziness is better - I said the storms were gonna come and ai should move it - I didn’t but they did!
 
This is first time in soil, all my other grows have been coco with synths. This one has had synths in earlier stages pre going into the SIP which is my first full sized SIP as well sorta. There was another one in leftovers potting soil and coco which died through neglect and weather. I was too busy to tend to it.

There are way too many factors involved for me to base any strong views on good/bad/no impact from previous grows.

But I feel like I need to perhaps test it!

Have you been using myco in all of your journals here? Are they all the ones in your signature? I’ll take a look, let me know if there’s any I should be focusing on.

Growing synthetically, don’t bother with the myco any more. Cost savings right there. When growing organically use it. If you’re growing outdoors, in the ground organically, you won’t need any more than a light dusting in the beginning. After a couple grows you won’t even need it any more because it will just go dormant while waiting for new roots.

Same thing as the myco in my grow. I won’t need to use myco after this grow because I will have used soil set to the side. That used soil will have myco spores that go dormant. The moment I sprout a plant in it they’ll come back online. Once I get the cycle started it takes care of itself unless I really screw something up.
 
Have you been using myco in all of your journals here? Are they all the ones in your signature? I’ll take a look, let me know if there’s any I should be focusing on.

Growing synthetically, don’t bother with the myco any more. Cost savings right there. When growing organically use it. If you’re growing outdoors, in the ground organically, you won’t need any more than a light dusting in the beginning. After a couple grows you won’t even need it any more because it will just go dormant while waiting for new roots.

Same thing as the myco in my grow. I won’t need to use myco after this grow because I will have used soil set to the side. That used soil will have myco spores that go dormant. The moment I sprout a plant in it they’ll come back online. Once I get the cycle started it takes care of itself unless I really screw something up.
All journals here. I got some minor bud rot my first ever grow that I covered a little in my first journal as that was around harvest when the other was starting.

Not meaning to sound like a (insert word here depending on your locality) but we’ve never really had a problem plant or any major issues. We’ve had some yellowing or whatever but just been minor nute mix changes when first learning and actually for 3 weeks I was mixing below recommended because I mis remembered it and when I checked back I was face planting 😆 this was the first myco grow as well.

So yeah I don’t really have many problem plant reference points, killed an outdoor one through neglect and weather. Had one recently split in half with rot but that had some root/transplant issues (one half is still growing fine 😂) and some hermies but that’s an extreme solo pot grow and we had a light issue.
 
Oh the split one - my touchy feely is & Co some times has up potted the plant so deep that it looks like two plants growing out of one pot - two sides of a node look like two plants. One node died. I don’t think she should be burying quite so deep.
 
Yes those are different species of AMF. There’s been some renaming and reclassification going on. Researchers realized that a lot of the initial names and classifications weren’t detailed enough. Some of the samples were too degraded to be accurate, cultures weren’t grown long enough, etc.

I believe the current name for Glomus intraradices is Rhizophagus irregularis. Glomus mossea is now Funneliformis mossea. These are species that form a symbiosis within the roots and their cells, usually forming what’s called an arbuscule to trade nutrients, exudates, and instructions. I’m sure even the names I know are in the process of being changed or updated.

Here’s a shot of the Great White for everyone who doesn’t have it:

IMG_5933.jpeg


There’s ecto and endo myco in this bottle, and below that there’s a list of the trichoderma and beneficial bacteria it supplies as well. You could see a benefit from the trichoderma, and bacteria, even after chasing off the fungus. The ectomyco is overkill as far as we know but it can’t hurt it.

Real Growers Recharge has some of the same ingredients, and that seems to work well in synthetic gardens. Although the organic acids do, do (heh I said do do) the heavy lifting in that product.

Unfortunately, this does mean that synthetic growers using certain myco products that contain only mycorrhizae and nothing else, are wasting their money.
Hi @Keffka - this is as good a spot as any since it’s on topic. I always use Great White. It’s amazing and the roots explode. Even in a coco chem grow it helps for the initial seedling drop. I’m wondering about safe, non-chemical (OMRI rated?), organic ingredients one can add to a Geo/RGR grow like mine, such as FF Kelp Me Kelp You, Bembe, or Root Drench? (Not sure those count as organic or semi or not at all). Or anything else you think may improve the plants? Thank you!
 
This is cool! Natural light at 6:15pm local.

& Co bossing it - I want be back until Monday late evening or Tuesday early evening to screw up anything!

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Have a blast. Don’t do anything we wouldn’t do. Which gives you wide latitude . Lmao
 
The dude in the guard box? Some little developments have them. Its a total waste of money probably but most of the 8 villas I think have been bought by Chinese buyers that either rent them out or sell them after 5 years. Money in money out. There’s a couple left - if you’re in the market, Shed 🤣 They’re 20m THB - that’s about $560k USD - overpriced a bit, not very big. French developers, couple of guys done a few devs like that.

They’re stacked on top/next to each other, crazy monthly service charge to pay for that security guy and other incidentals.

Its where the last year they’ve had a lot of US college students staying, groups of 6-8. Mostly been lovely. & Co has sold a little to a couple as they walk past our place to the main road a couple of hundred yards away. There’s no Few idiots beeping horns on motorbikes late at night but then a lot of the Indian and Middle Eastern go mental about even seeing our dogs. No ones tried that twice!

Its a nice part of the area.. Apart from us with our drug business 😅

AirBnB guests like ‘em anyway!
 
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