Need some help - Leaves are dying from the bottom up

[NewBee157]

Don t know what's going on SIP grow 7 Gal container
PH 6.5 Soil is Pro Mix standard in the yellow bag
Nutes Micro Grow , and Bloom Ph Perfect
Plant is a photo, Critical Purple
In the last week the leaves on the bottom seem to be drying out Dying and falling off
Nutes at this point 5ml Micro , 5ml Grow , 6ml Bloom per Gal feed once a week

If someone could tell me what they thin is going on that would be Great .. The top of the Plant seem to be doing ok just random leaves on the lower branches are Affected .... Thanks for any help in advance

Its like 4 weeks into Flower

And yes its another one that has out grown my tent ... So the only place to put it was in the shower, Yes I have another one LOL

 

[Azimuth]

May just not be getting enough light down there and the plant is shedding them naturally.

 

[013]

Hey NewBee!

Oh wow that girls has got some long legs… feet at one end and a little something something up at the other end.

Her leaves look like hybrid mix (indica & sativa) but node spacing is ginormous. I’d be curious about your light spacing during veg, of course node space could be strain or pheno related but generally speaking large node spacing is indicative of stretch / not enough light. I’m defs NOT a pro at jack shite but we have many gurus that can help with light distance if you are so inclined.

she’s in early flower and will pull both from the roots and from nutrients stored in her fan leaves. The lowers look a tad bit ragged but just leave them in place, she will eventually suck them dry and shed them naturally. I’d pump up the flower nutes and any pk boosters you may have.

There is nothing wrong with a Christmas tree style plant, everyone should try it a few times. It does kind of help to reinforce the idea that a trained plant with an even canopy has the potential for best yield.

It might help to lollipop lowers, leave the fan leaves in tact but snip the tiny popcorn buds…. helps eliminate larf and sends the growth to the top.

suggest you drop a link to ask the regular SIPpers to jump in here, you can’t beat the brain trust

carry on my friend!

 

[7Dust2]

Wow what a plant. Bottom leaves always die. So top can grow. Plant will cut lose areas to grow the flowers. Common thing. Transfer of resources so bottom leaves weak and eventually die off.

 

[NewBee157]

Hey NewBee!

Oh wow that girls has got some long legs… feet at one end and a little something something up at the other end.

Her leaves look like hybrid mix (indica & sativa) but node spacing is ginormous. I’d be curious about your light spacing during veg, of course node space could be strain or pheno related but generally speaking large node spacing is indicative of stretch / not enough light. I’m defs NOT a pro at jack shite but we have many gurus that can help with light distance if you are so inclined.

she’s in early flower and will pull both from the roots and from nutrients stored in her fan leaves. The lowers look a tad bit ragged but just leave them in place, she will eventually suck them dry and shed them naturally. I’d pump up the flower nutes and any pk boosters you may have.

There is nothing wrong with a Christmas tree style plant, everyone should try it a few times. It does kind of help to reinforce the idea that a trained plant with an even canopy has the potential for best yield.

It might help to lollipop lowers, leave the fan leaves in tact but snip the tiny popcorn buds…. helps eliminate larf and sends the growth to the top.

suggest you drop a link to ask the regular SIPpers to jump in here, you can’t beat the brain trust

carry on my friend!

She kept Growing right to the light had to keep moving it every other Day. Took it out of the tent I had it in and it just kept Growing .. Had to move the light again two days ago ...Hope it quits soon

 

[013]

I hear you, not a bad problem to have!! She’s going for the stars, SIPs will do it!

the unruly are begging for the house of pain… lst, topping, plant training, physical restraint and supercropping. It’s a mixed bag but tools of the trade

 

[SmokingWings]

A decent sized plant there. Maybe even larger than some of the outdoor grown plants some people have grown.

If someone could tell me what they thin is going on that would be Great .. The top of the Plant seem to be doing ok just random leaves on the lower branches are Affected .... Thanks for any help in advance

As mentioned it looks like leaves that are not able to get enough light and are being shut down by the plant. Experienced it myself more than once.

The second to last photo shows the light penetration and everything after about 1/2 down is not getting light. Even the extra light in the corner is not helping enough.

Just a note on something to consider when starting your next turn at the rodeo. If the plant gets to large for the tent take down the aluminum foil. It does not reflect as much light as we think. Many growers have said that flat white painted walls are better than foil covered walls. In the bathroom I would think that the tiles do a better job of reflecting than the foil.

 

[Chris Scorpio]

MORE LIGHT SCOTTY

SHE NEEDS MORE LIGHT!!!!

 

[NewBee157]

Update .. Got rid of the foil and doubled the lights now has 2 1000w leds pushing on her. She seems to be liking it it's filling out now from the top down as you can see in the Pics . Upped the Nutes just a little bit , not seeing any yellow tips. Think I gonna hold things right here and see just what comes out of it ......

If she reaches for the light anymore I'm gonna be in the attic

 

[BAKIND]

For what its worth, I uploaded two of your pictures to chatGPT and got some responses.

First Response

The image shows a cannabis plant with some specific features on the leaves. From what can be observed:

1. **Leaf Color and Texture:** The overall green color of the leaves looks healthy, but without a clear view of the entire plant, it's hard to provide a complete assessment.

2. **Leaf Tips Curling:** There's a noticeable curling or "clawing" of some of the leaf tips. This can be a symptom of several issues:

- **Overwatering:** Cannabis plants that receive too much water can develop droopy, claw-like leaves. Ensure that the soil dries out somewhat between watering sessions. Overwatered soil can also deprive the roots of oxygen, causing further stress to the plant.
- **Nitrogen Toxicity:** Too much nitrogen in the soil can result in dark green leaves that appear shiny and display the clawing effect. If you've recently added a high-nitrogen fertilizer, this could be the cause.
- **Heat Stress:** If the plants are too close to lights or in an environment with high temperatures, they can exhibit curling or drooping leaves. Adjust the light height or improve ventilation to alleviate this.

3. **Yellowing of Lower Leaves:** Some of the leaves appear to be slightly yellow, particularly near the base. This can be due to:

- **Natural Aging:** It's normal for the oldest leaves (usually found at the bottom of the plant) to yellow and eventually drop off as the plant matures.
- **Nutrient Deficiency:** Yellowing of lower leaves can be an early sign of a nitrogen deficiency. However, if the upper or newer leaves are yellowing, it could indicate another type of nutrient deficiency, like potassium or magnesium.

4. **Leaf Spots or Blemishes:** I can't observe any clear spots, blemishes, or other significant anomalies on the leaves, which would be indicative of pests or diseases.

For a more comprehensive diagnosis, it would be beneficial to have a detailed history of the plant's care regimen, including watering frequency, type and frequency of nutrient application, lighting conditions, and temperature and humidity levels. Additionally, inspecting the underside of the leaves can help detect pests like spider mites or aphids, which can also cause various leaf symptoms.

Second Response
From the image you provided, the cannabis plant seems to be in a healthy state, but I can offer some observations and suggestions regarding its setup:

1. **LED Light:** The LED light fixture above the plant does appear to be small relative to the size of the plant. Cannabis plants, especially during their vegetative stage, benefit from strong, consistent light exposure. Insufficient lighting can lead to "stretching," where the plant grows tall and spindly as it tries to reach for more light. This can lead to weaker stems and reduced yield. The plant in the picture does appear somewhat tall and stretched, which may be a result of the light not being strong enough or not covering enough surface area.

- **Suggestion:** Consider upgrading to a larger LED light or adding additional lights. The wattage required would depend on the specific needs of the plant, but generally speaking, more light (up to a point) is better for cannabis during its vegetative stage.

2. **Plant Structure:** The plant has long stems and seems to be stretching upwards, which could be a result of insufficient lighting, as mentioned. Providing more light can help encourage bushier growth.

3. **Setup Location:** It's notable that you have the plant in a bathroom setup. Bathrooms can have high humidity, which is beneficial during the vegetative stage. However, too much humidity during the flowering stage can increase the risk of mold and other fungal issues.

- **Suggestion:** Monitor the humidity levels and ensure there's adequate ventilation, especially as the plant transitions into its flowering stage.

4. **Support:** As the plant grows, its branches might become heavy with buds. Ensure the branches are supported to prevent them from breaking. The current PVC pipe structure seems to provide some support, but as the plant matures, additional staking or tying might be necessary.

5. **Training Techniques:** Techniques such as "low-stress training" (LST) can be employed to maximize light exposure to all parts of the plant. This involves gently bending and tying branches to create a more even canopy, which can increase yields by making better use of available light.

In conclusion, based on the image, upgrading or expanding the lighting setup might benefit the plant, especially given its size. Proper lighting is crucial for optimal growth and flowering in cannabis plants.

 

[SmokingWings]

Update .. Got rid of the foil and doubled the lights now has 2 1000w leds pushing on her. She seems to be liking it it's filling out now from the top down as you can see in the Pics .

In the old and new photos it is easy to see the light penetration. You could start to trim some of the leaves and tiny buds off that are below that line; the area that is not getting any-wheres near enough light. Trim a little bit here and there, not a lot at any one time. Baby it through to the end.

The top of the plant is looking good.

If she reaches for the light anymore I'm gonna be in the attic

Probably already close to the end of the stretch so no need to worry about chopping a hole in the ceiling. Keep it in mind and the next growing start to practice some Low Stress Training several weeks before flowering starts.

 

[KeithLemon]

Don t know what's going on SIP grow 7 Gal container
PH 6.5 Soil is Pro Mix standard in the yellow bag
Nutes Micro Grow , and Bloom Ph Perfect
Plant is a photo, Critical Purple
In the last week the leaves on the bottom seem to be drying out Dying and falling off
Nutes at this point 5ml Micro , 5ml Grow , 6ml Bloom per Gal feed once a week

If someone could tell me what they thin is going on that would be Great .. The top of the Plant seem to be doing ok just random leaves on the lower branches are Affected .... Thanks for any help in advance

Its like 4 weeks into Flower

And yes its another one that has out grown my tent ... So the only place to put it was in the shower, Yes I have another one LOL

She is a tall plant, and I would sure up the branches as the buds get larger, they will put on more weight. She is a beautiful plant.

 

[Nine Toed Hippie]

Nice plant Dude! But where do you bathe?

NTH

 

[7Dust2]

Leaves die at bottom of the stems. Normal

 

[NewBee157]

Nice plant Dude! But where do you bathe?

NTH

In my other Shower

 

[bluter]

it needed a lot more light a lot sooner than it got.

there's no such thing as a 1000w led. only cheap led companies selling you snake oil. it can't put out more than the driver draws from the wall.

 

[Chris Scorpio]

it needed a lot more light a lot sooner than it got.

there's no such thing as a 1000w led. only cheap led companies selling you snake oil. it can't put out more than the driver draws from the wall.

What

You mean people lie !!!!!

I'm crushed...lol


But seriously OP


Get a wall Watt meter and test it, or then. Ya probably have , maybe 200w max with the two, this the tall and lanky girl

 

[NewBee157]

musta been doing something right for it to get to Where it did

 

[KeithLemon]

musta been doing something right for it to get to Where it did

Most definitely did.

 

[SmokingWings]

You mean people lie !!!!!

I don't know that I would call it a lie. If the manufacturer builds the lights so that the driver is pushing the light emitting diodes (emitters as @bluter calls them) at their full potential and then they start to burn out in a month or two I figure most growers would be rather upset.

Maybe a better job by the manufacturers explaining how they rate the LED light fixture's power would help.