Multiple questions!?

[old_skool]

If the elite growers here don't mind I have some questions and concerns:

First off some here knows that it's been 30 years since I did a grow and wanted to come back after reading the valuable information here and <a href="https://www.nomercy.nl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241">Atmosphere's grow</a> who is a student of SpeesCees, you probably have seen this post: <a href="No Mercy Seeds 12/12 Hours 7 Harvests a Year System">no-mercy-supply-12-12hours-7-harvests-year-system</a>

Now for the questions:

I personally have never let my indoor grows get above 36" I like tight internodes. What is your opinion for ideal height of a plant for an indoor grow?

Currently I have 5 plants that are averaging 23" tall right now at 35 days, I started 12/12 HPS from seed no veg period, I am figuring 28 to 36" average after they are done stretching. Has any of the guru's here grown 12/12 HPS from seed no cropping, LST, etc... what was your average height of the plants????

I know that veg period is for height and root growth but the 12/12 HPS from seed produced some outstanding root growth (saw it when I was pulling males) and now during the pre-flower period they are showing daily growth both ways height and flowering

<img src="https://www.420magazine.com/gallery/data/500/3-25-08_forest.jpg" />

So, since they are 23" tall average now, I figure about another week of height growth before they stop, which at their current rate of 1/2 to 1" new height per day the goal of 28 to 36" does not seem unrealistic.

Also, Boss suggests that I trim the "base leaves" 4 to 5" so I get more top cola growth, my concern with this is will it shock the plants and stop pre-flower production, and will I benefit from it? Or do I just let them fall off like they currently are letting nature take its course??

Your thoughts???

Thanks for your valuable input in advance

Old Skool

 

[Boss]

Re: Multiple questions!???

I would have trimmed much earlier though. I am not sure it will do much now. there is a huge difference in the way they grew, I was amazed. I will see if I can find a 35 day shot.

This is around day 60 I think. I kept mine in the cold for more then a month though. Note there are no bud sites on the fans, only up the stalk.

 

[Boss]

Re: Multiple questions!???

Strange how different they are huh? Same light, different pots, and of course different plant types. I don't think you will get over 3 feet, but it has happened

 

[Boss]

Re: Multiple questions!???

If you are running a 400 hps, you have about 10k more lumens then i ran. It's the trimming that kept the buds up the stalk instead of branching, and the cold kept my plants short until I got them back up to 75-80 at night up from 64f. If what you are after is this,

then side growth will do no good. You should have very few leaves on the plant, and no buds on the sides, only up the center. And unless these are crazy sativas, you wont go over 3 ft, no matter what you do, these are 12/12's. They will be ripe and ready before they get taller then that, unless the strain happens to stretch A LOT by design.

There is no way I would supercrop these unless it's to crop the side branches to get the main cola to grow better. If you supercrop the main stem, the sides will blow up, and that is exactly oppsosite of what you want. You want those main cola's to shoot up and stop, then get fat. In one container, you don't have the room for side growth.

I read more of the atmosphere grow and I don't see anywhere he said to trim the base, so I can't remember when i saw it. I think I will just ask Cees.

Oh well, you have lots of options now huh?

 

[Boss]

Re: Multiple questions!???

Shit Joe, I wish that was mine.. That is Atmospheres 12/12.

He makes sure his growth goes up, concentrating of the one main bud on each plant, and plants tons of them per sqaure meter (like 20). It takes HPS to get plants like that man, unless I can figure out how to get 150k lumens from cfl's and LED's, mine wont get this tall OR heavy. With a harvest every 70 days or so, you can't go wrong. Unless, as RaceFan pointed out, you have a limited number of plants you can grow by state MMJ laws, then this won't work for you at all.

 

[Boss]

Re: Multiple questions!???

Just think of the variety you could have with say 9 plants Instead of 20..

 

[Boss]

Re: Multiple questions!???

He is at no mercy supply No Mercy Supply check the forums there, he works a lot with Cees. I was just saying that you could have 4 or 5 varieties with this system running at once, and you don't need 20 plants to have it, you could do it by starting off with 12-15 and pull the males you will end up with about 9 females, and for a small sog, that's good yield and great variety if you are growing for your medicinal needs.

 

[old_skool]

Re: Multiple questions!???

I would have trimmed much earlier though. I am not sure it will do much now. there is a huge difference in the way they grew, I was amazed.

Boss,
For future reference when did you trim or start trimming, and for how long??

 

[Boss]

Re: Multiple questions!???

When it hi the 4th node up I took off the bottom 2 nodes, or just 1, depending on growth. Oh I always leave the 2 baby leaves on and let those fall off.

 

[old_skool]

Re: Multiple questions!???

Okay ol school. Your doin fine man. Your gettin fast growth cause of the hps. Your throwin alot more lumes at the things than you would be with just cfl's.

Joe,
You are right bother, I am going for a 90 day grow, that pix you see of Atmosphere's 12/12 is what my grow experiment is all about, I saw those nugs and I had to try for it.

Heres a AK47/Blueberry I had to bend over like a whore. She was growin into my reflector but she aint no more......

Damn Joe,
You do treat them like a whore after a Saturday night
I will keep this in mind if I ever have to lay her down.

Thank you for your valuable insight brother