tommysnoboard
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Can someone inform me as to the benefit of using molasses?
Molasses
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ghostgardener
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It is a Carb boost in the form of simple sugars from the molasses it helps with the bulking up of buds at the end of flowering.
Try Sugar Daddy by Technaflora I love it.
It is a Carb boost in the form of simple sugars from the molasses it helps with the bulking up of buds at the end of flowering.
Try Sugar Daddy by Technaflora I love it.
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tommysnoboard
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Bro I am just going to go get some molasses at the Piggly Wiggly
Bro I am just going to go get some molasses at the Piggly Wiggly
ghostgardener
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Hope you use the right amount and mix it right. Good luck Bro. I suggest a little more research as well.
Hope you use the right amount and mix it right. Good luck Bro. I suggest a little more research as well.
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tommysnoboard
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I did Hombre!! Blackstrap molasses is the key and probably most definitely what your Sugar Daddy by Technaflora is at 50.00 dollars for 4 liters where as I will goto the Heathfood store and get Blackstrap molasses for 6.19. Bro, it's all marketing from the big Nuit manufacturers. Just like Cal Mag is nothing but Epson salts. Smoke on!! :0)
I did Hombre!! Blackstrap molasses is the key and probably most definitely what your Sugar Daddy by Technaflora is at 50.00 dollars for 4 liters where as I will goto the Heathfood store and get Blackstrap molasses for 6.19. Bro, it's all marketing from the big Nuit manufacturers. Just like Cal Mag is nothing but Epson salts. Smoke on!! :0)
Retired One
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The primary benefit to molasses is not the carbs...molecularly it's to large for efficient root uptake...it's the macro/micro nutients...Iron, Magnesium etc. that the roots can uptake. A very weak solution, applied as a foliar spray, is a far more effective way of loading carbs. You'll need to spray in the morning with feed mix, and spray in the evening with pure, PH adjusted water, to rinse any residue from the leaves. Molasses is heavy, and over application will clamp the leaves to the stalk.
Some swear it improves taste, but I could never tell a difference.
Good luck.
The primary benefit to molasses is not the carbs...molecularly it's to large for efficient root uptake...it's the macro/micro nutients...Iron, Magnesium etc. that the roots can uptake. A very weak solution, applied as a foliar spray, is a far more effective way of loading carbs. You'll need to spray in the morning with feed mix, and spray in the evening with pure, PH adjusted water, to rinse any residue from the leaves. Molasses is heavy, and over application will clamp the leaves to the stalk.
Some swear it improves taste, but I could never tell a difference.
Good luck.
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tommysnoboard
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Ok Southern, You seem very knowledgeable. What about Kelp?
Ok Southern, You seem very knowledgeable. What about Kelp?
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Most kelp is a high K nutrient, although some will have good amounts of N as well.
K is the most overlooked value in N-P-K analysis...it's not sexy, doesn't green up the plant and while it's definitely needed for flower, especially during initial bud set, it's often overlooked as people focus on raising P values.
What K does for you is provides strong cell division, making a stronger plant. It stimulates root growth and is absolutely essential if you're doing any seed cropping.
Search the internet to get a feel for N-P-K values and tailor your purchase to your plant's specific needs.
Most kelp is a high K nutrient, although some will have good amounts of N as well.
K is the most overlooked value in N-P-K analysis...it's not sexy, doesn't green up the plant and while it's definitely needed for flower, especially during initial bud set, it's often overlooked as people focus on raising P values.
What K does for you is provides strong cell division, making a stronger plant. It stimulates root growth and is absolutely essential if you're doing any seed cropping.
Search the internet to get a feel for N-P-K values and tailor your purchase to your plant's specific needs.
ghostgardener
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My dry Humor costs me again. SORRY
My dry Humor costs me again. SORRY
Re: Molasses?
this post made me laugh, the previous one of yours not so much
whats important is you can laugh at yourself...
molasses is good but dont use too much if you running hydro as it can get messy
i do not believe cal mag is made from epsom salts, sugar daddy is tho, basically epsom salts are magnesium sulfate, sugar daddy is epsom salts and something similar to molasses
not sure where the mag comes from in cal/mag but the cal is usually sourced from calcium nitrate and there is some N in cal/mag where as sugar daddy is just mag/sulfur/sugars
ed rosenthal recommends something called sucunat instead of molasses
this post made me laugh, the previous one of yours not so much
whats important is you can laugh at yourself...
molasses is good but dont use too much if you running hydro as it can get messy
i do not believe cal mag is made from epsom salts, sugar daddy is tho, basically epsom salts are magnesium sulfate, sugar daddy is epsom salts and something similar to molasses
not sure where the mag comes from in cal/mag but the cal is usually sourced from calcium nitrate and there is some N in cal/mag where as sugar daddy is just mag/sulfur/sugars
ed rosenthal recommends something called sucunat instead of molasses
ghostgardener
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Well I like me SUGAR DADDY
Well I like me SUGAR DADDY
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tommysnoboard
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Biz....you must be smoking the Good shizzy!! Sugar Daddy is Molasses and cal mag is epson salts. Do some research bro!
Biz....you must be smoking the Good shizzy!! Sugar Daddy is Molasses and cal mag is epson salts. Do some research bro!
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I'm vaporing some nice headband I just scrog'd, thanks for the complement, here's a pic from week 8
as for the research... I climbed up into the old attic and grabbed my bottles of sugar daddy and magical(technaflora makes both products, cal/mag is made by botanicare who also makes sweet which is same as sugar daddy), I also grabbed a 64oz carton of epsom salts I recently bought at pharmacy for like $2... and some molasses and sucunat
the epsom salt carton says magnesium sulfate U.S.P. 100% natural mineral
suggar daddy bottle says derived from magnesium sulfate and also contains non-plant food ingredients 2% cane sugar
magical(same thing as cal/mag) says derived from calcium nitrate, calcium chloride, magnesium nitrate, iron EDTA, iron DTPA
wholesome sweeteners organic molasses unsulphured, ingredients: organic blackstrap molasses
wholesome sweeteners organic sucunat ingredients: dehydrated sugar cane juice
if you search the nets, you will find blackstrap molasses and cane sugar or sugar cane juice are not refined the same way
so in summary
epsom salts = magnesium sulfate
sugar daddy = sweet = (epsom salts + cane sugar), I dont know what sugar product is in sugar daddy, but it sounds like it is more like sucunat than molasses let alone blackstrap molasses...
sorry if this reply is offensive in anyway, I'm really just trying to be helpful like you were before, this site is really cool like that with people looking to help other people
personally I chose techniflora's products because they cost less than botanicare's, sweet also is supposed to have some extract of different fruits which may or may not give it some type of flavor/smell... anyways... I also use a pure calcium product from RX OG line, its like 8% cal in some stinky ass amino acid mix... after that runs out gonna get a bottle of botanicare's calplex product as I like to throw a lot of calcium at them, as for the sugar daddy, now that I know it is just epsom salts and some sugar product, I probably wont be purchasing again... still like the magical/calmag...
peace
I'm vaporing some nice headband I just scrog'd, thanks for the complement, here's a pic from week 8
as for the research... I climbed up into the old attic and grabbed my bottles of sugar daddy and magical(technaflora makes both products, cal/mag is made by botanicare who also makes sweet which is same as sugar daddy), I also grabbed a 64oz carton of epsom salts I recently bought at pharmacy for like $2... and some molasses and sucunat
the epsom salt carton says magnesium sulfate U.S.P. 100% natural mineral
suggar daddy bottle says derived from magnesium sulfate and also contains non-plant food ingredients 2% cane sugar
magical(same thing as cal/mag) says derived from calcium nitrate, calcium chloride, magnesium nitrate, iron EDTA, iron DTPA
wholesome sweeteners organic molasses unsulphured, ingredients: organic blackstrap molasses
wholesome sweeteners organic sucunat ingredients: dehydrated sugar cane juice
if you search the nets, you will find blackstrap molasses and cane sugar or sugar cane juice are not refined the same way
so in summary
epsom salts = magnesium sulfate
sugar daddy = sweet = (epsom salts + cane sugar), I dont know what sugar product is in sugar daddy, but it sounds like it is more like sucunat than molasses let alone blackstrap molasses...
sorry if this reply is offensive in anyway, I'm really just trying to be helpful like you were before, this site is really cool like that with people looking to help other people
personally I chose techniflora's products because they cost less than botanicare's, sweet also is supposed to have some extract of different fruits which may or may not give it some type of flavor/smell... anyways... I also use a pure calcium product from RX OG line, its like 8% cal in some stinky ass amino acid mix... after that runs out gonna get a bottle of botanicare's calplex product as I like to throw a lot of calcium at them, as for the sugar daddy, now that I know it is just epsom salts and some sugar product, I probably wont be purchasing again... still like the magical/calmag...
peace
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tommysnoboard
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I just like to checks things out bro. About the 2% sugar cane. Thats the molasses. There are two different ways molasses is made. One being out the Beets and one being out of sugar cane. I read a few different places the calmag is nothing but epson salts. Now when you buy calmag its not epson salt. But when you use epson slat, it acts just like that as the benefits of cal mag. I could be wrong. I just read it more than once so figure my sources were p[retty reliable! No worries!! Grow on!!
I just like to checks things out bro. About the 2% sugar cane. Thats the molasses. There are two different ways molasses is made. One being out the Beets and one being out of sugar cane. I read a few different places the calmag is nothing but epson salts. Now when you buy calmag its not epson salt. But when you use epson slat, it acts just like that as the benefits of cal mag. I could be wrong. I just read it more than once so figure my sources were p[retty reliable! No worries!! Grow on!!
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if it were made from molasses it would say so... it clearly says on the bottle 2% cane sugar.
molasses is boiled down, black strap molasses is molasses boiled down 2 more times...
i dont know what you were told before but i just read you the ingredients off the bottles
it clearly says sugar daddy is made from magnesium sulfate which is what epsom salts are, sugar daddy has mag 1.6% sulfor 1.75%, calmag doesnt have ANY sulfor... calmag is made from different sources which have stuff like nitrogen(magnesium nitrate/calcium nitrate) and iron and chorlide(calcium chloride), epsom salts dont have any nitrogen...
calmag is not epsom salts, sugar daddy is epsom salts and "non-plant food" cane sugar according to label which sounds different than black strap molasses, altho we dont really know what it is, all i'm saying is replace it with epsom salts and your choice of molasses/sucunat or whatever...
black strap has lots of minerals, calcium, mag, iron etc... which are all plant foods... i found the sucunat to be a little cleaner to work with, one time i used too much molasses and got a big foamy rotten mess...
calmag and sugar daddy and epsom salts all contain magnesium, but epsom salts contains no calcium nor does it contain nitrogen or iron
your plants will react differently depending on what you give them... you cant just look at it as a magnesium source or a calcium source, you have to account for the other stuff
if it were made from molasses it would say so... it clearly says on the bottle 2% cane sugar.
molasses is boiled down, black strap molasses is molasses boiled down 2 more times...
i dont know what you were told before but i just read you the ingredients off the bottles
it clearly says sugar daddy is made from magnesium sulfate which is what epsom salts are, sugar daddy has mag 1.6% sulfor 1.75%, calmag doesnt have ANY sulfor... calmag is made from different sources which have stuff like nitrogen(magnesium nitrate/calcium nitrate) and iron and chorlide(calcium chloride), epsom salts dont have any nitrogen...
calmag is not epsom salts, sugar daddy is epsom salts and "non-plant food" cane sugar according to label which sounds different than black strap molasses, altho we dont really know what it is, all i'm saying is replace it with epsom salts and your choice of molasses/sucunat or whatever...
black strap has lots of minerals, calcium, mag, iron etc... which are all plant foods... i found the sucunat to be a little cleaner to work with, one time i used too much molasses and got a big foamy rotten mess...
calmag and sugar daddy and epsom salts all contain magnesium, but epsom salts contains no calcium nor does it contain nitrogen or iron
your plants will react differently depending on what you give them... you cant just look at it as a magnesium source or a calcium source, you have to account for the other stuff
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tommysnoboard
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Hey Bizz...I was randomly reading someones post regarding cal mag...here's what they said>>>>>>>>
I use epsom salt to correct cal/mag deficiencies. they're like $1, and after 2-3 feedings with it the leaves usually start to look better
I use epsom salt to correct cal/mag deficiencies. they're like $1, and after 2-3 feedings with it the leaves usually start to look better
You know, I posted in that thread and didnt even think to say anything, now I will. Its interesting to see how mis-information gets passed around reinforcing false beliefs...
i linked to this Plant Abuse Chart in that thread, give it a read
there are calcium deficiencies and there are magnesium deficiencies
there is no such thing as cal/mag deficiencies
too much magnesium can actual cause a calcium def or potassium def, and too much calcium can cause magnesium def or potassium def
Epsom salts have no calcium.
Epsom salts are magnesium and sulfur. Too much could cause calcium def...
Many people have hard tap water, hard water is high in calcium, this can create magnesium deficiencies so you would treat with epsom salts, but since your hard water has so much calcium you dont worry about epsom salts not having cal, but if your water isnt hard(like mine) this doesnt hold true
I'm growing in coco and apparently coco has too much K and so some brands are fortified with Cal(or something like that), which makes magnesium def happen easy... so I treated with a combination of sugar daddy(epsom salts), magical and calcium, because i dont have hard water and wanted to boost mag but also keep cal/mag ratio in a certain range... giving just epsom salts/sugar daddy would throw off cal/mag ratios
its really all about ratios
i linked to this Plant Abuse Chart in that thread, give it a read
there are calcium deficiencies and there are magnesium deficiencies
there is no such thing as cal/mag deficiencies
too much magnesium can actual cause a calcium def or potassium def, and too much calcium can cause magnesium def or potassium def
Epsom salts have no calcium.
Epsom salts are magnesium and sulfur. Too much could cause calcium def...
Many people have hard tap water, hard water is high in calcium, this can create magnesium deficiencies so you would treat with epsom salts, but since your hard water has so much calcium you dont worry about epsom salts not having cal, but if your water isnt hard(like mine) this doesnt hold true
I'm growing in coco and apparently coco has too much K and so some brands are fortified with Cal(or something like that), which makes magnesium def happen easy... so I treated with a combination of sugar daddy(epsom salts), magical and calcium, because i dont have hard water and wanted to boost mag but also keep cal/mag ratio in a certain range... giving just epsom salts/sugar daddy would throw off cal/mag ratios
its really all about ratios
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tommysnoboard
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Ok bro!! You're right!! Grow on, and I don't use calmag or epson salts 
The point to what I was saying is that alot of stuff, in Gardening is all marketing. Take some molasses put it in a pretty container and there you go...charge three times more. Or Purple max...whats in that Bizz?
The point to what I was saying is that alot of stuff, in Gardening is all marketing. Take some molasses put it in a pretty container and there you go...charge three times more. Or Purple max...whats in that Bizz?Ok bro!! You're right!! Grow on, and I don't use calmag or epson salts
I agree with you on that for sure.
People should look at alternatives to expensive grow products but you need to know what you are putting in.
Molasses is good for plants and can be used to supplement your grow. I saw one comparisson where a guy compared molasses vs cannaboost vs molasses and cannaboost together vs neither, using same genetics and same environment.
he posted pics of the buds
molasses and cannaboost together looked best
cannaboost 2nd best
molasses 3rd
neither 4th
but the difference between just cannaboost and just molasses was not much, certainly not when you consider the price of the cannaboost $100 liter vs molasses $8 liter??? So my conclusion was that if on a budget, roll with molasses, if not use both...
btw: i never had any problems applying cannaboost or sugar daddy, but when I used too much molasses... yuck! big mess in the rez... just saying...
purple max? you're funny...
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Sugar Daddy is doing me right check my grow.
