Me again - Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

[Mayjor]

I thought they were too close to the light at first now i moved them maybe 6-8 inches from the lights and their condition is still worsening i think. Can anyone identify the problem? Theyre in Miracle Grow with the time released plant food and im just using tap water. Help please i dont wanna lose my babies

 

[Hydroponic1]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Do you know what your PH is. My tap water is around 7.0 and that is tooo high for this type of plant your target is around 6.0 I do not grow in soil so Im not sure what you need exactly. in hydro I shoot for 5.8 +- .2 and Ive had healthier plants since regulating my PH problems. I honestly didnt pay attention to everyone elses warnings and paid for it with dyeing plants and numerous growth problems.

What kind of light are you using? CFL HPS both have diffrent distances. I run a t5 fluro for veg and a 400 watt hps for flower my t5 stays within 2 inches of my plants and my hps stays aroud 18 inches. If you put your hand at the top of your plants and the heat is more than you can stand then its too close for sure I try to shoot for a happy medium of keeping the canapy top around the same as the room temperature.

Are you adding any ferts? If so stop you will burn the seedlings up

My guess is you have a PH problem if so you need to flush with Ph balanced water untill you get your run off at the PH level you want maybe someone can give you a range for soil. Best thing to do is get the approperate up or down from a hydro/grow shop as it will be more stable but there are some home remidies out there to lower or raise PH.

Good Luck

 

[Mayjor]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Im using 6 total 23 watt CFLs. 4 6000k and 2 2700k. Ill have to go out and buy a pH meter. Until then would distilled water or nursery water for babies do?

 

[BudTester420]

Im using 6 total 23 watt CFLs. 4 6000k and 2 2700k. Ill have to go out and buy a pH meter. Until then would distilled water or nursery water for babies do?

IMO your water Ph should be 6.5 and distilled water is like RO water, you might be fine using that as it doesn't add extra nutrients.

 

[Mayjor]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Ok so should i just transplant into new soil and re-water with the distilled stuff or should i leach the plants in what theyre in now?

 

[BudTester420]

That I don't know, your soil is hot and that's why they burned. But when transplanted that stresses them more. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in as I don't want to say something wrong.

 

[Hydroponic1]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

I agree with Blazin, transplanting may stress them more and right now you are looking for the least amount of stress as possible. I dont know the PH of distilled water you can get a ph test kit at the pet store cheap to get you going alot of people wont use anything else but one of the fish test kits. It will be hard to give you solid advice without knowing some of the numbers. I have been told to keep things simple after all it is a weed lol I would start with your ph then look from there as the ph is our certian unknown variable then watch the plants reaction and adjust acordingly. As you gain experience you will learn to read your plants as they will tell you what they need or dont need. Hope this helps.

 

[BudTester420]

I think the best thing would be to buy some different soil, and move them. If I can find the post the MG has to much fert released at certain times and more or less is bad for seedlings.

Here's the URL for that topic.
Please help

 

[Hydroponic1]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Looks like good advice Blazin, sorry I have never grown in soil so i am lost when it comes to dirt.

 

[BudTester420]

Looks like good advice Blazin, sorry I have never grown in soil so i am lost when it comes to dirt.

I have only 2 grows under my belt so I'm still learning the in and outs.

 

[seagem]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

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[Mayjor]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Thanks alot. I cant respond to pms but i got them out of that soil and have them in the Jiffy seed mix right now. Watered them with just enough distilled to moisten the soil and put them back under the lights. ill keep u guys posted on the progress. Any more input or suggestions are stilled welcomed

 

[seagem]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Thanks alot. I cant respond to pms but i got them out of that soil and have them in the Jiffy seed mix right now. Watered them with just enough distilled to moisten the soil and put them back under the lights. ill keep u guys posted on the progress. Any more input or suggestions are stilled welcomed

GREAT !!! News looking forward to your grow, I'm sub'd for the ride. I know you cant pm yet so If you need something post to my link of the Berry Grow, and I'll try to help or send you to someone who can if I cant.

I forgot to tell you to not worry about your ph at this point, the Jiffy mix for seedlings is ph neutral so you dont really need to check it and with using the distilled water it's also ph neutral. Since they are loaded a bit with the nutes from the MG soil I would just water the formula I sent you for the next 2-3 days. keeping an eye on them, try to water on the 3rd day.

What size pots did you transplant to?

You also need to be aware that you might get a bit of lightening of the leaves color, it will be caused by them not getting nutes like the had been so you might need to adjust the nutes to 1/4 strength. If MG nutes is all you have then here is my suggest on them, until you can get others.

Measure 1 cup of distilled water add about 1/8 of a teaspoon of MG, shake well, use an eye dropper or a syringe pull a bit of the solution up and put 3 drops into a cup then put in about 1/4 cup water, mix well and water away from the trunk. One more watering tip If you can it will help the roots to stretchout looking for food and moisture, water within the 1st inch on the outside of your put. It encourages and stimulastes the roots to grow out.

This should avoid any stress on them. Transplanting them out of nuted soil into un-nuted should not stress them, but starting back on to strong of nutes might, especially since they have been getting nutes from the MG soil.

Just remember to watch for a lightening in the green color, it does not mean they want more water, they will be getting hungry. That being said, you would need to give the nute mix above again. You should begin to see growth once a few days go by. Then after the 2nd watering increase the drops to 5-7 and the 1/4 cup water just as before. Each plant should get the new mix dont divide it between them, give each their own. By the 3rd week you should have gotten in better nutes and can mix it up for them and stop using the MG. Oh, and remember to allow the soil to dry a bit that's why I said 2-3 days, and the stems will strength if you put a light fan on them.

more pics please on those new pots. have a great night.

 

[jimm14]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

I'm not a fan of blaming nute burn, with the right PH plants can handle ALOT of nutes in the water....here is one of my seedlings in my system being fed 2400ppm (bloom mix with boosters/additives, ph down etc)

As you can see when you over feed with the right PH you get a mix of over-dark green parts (too much N?), Clawing (N again?) and finally new grow becomes lime green (lockout). after this point if I kept adding it will all yellow and die.


Mayjor I have noticed in every pic you post your plants look wet, as if you water them daily. not only that the leaves look wet. try not to pour your water on the plants themselfs and let them dry out a bit before watering, at no point in your pics does even the top soil look dry.

I won't comment on what PH to run as I'm not a soil guy, and not only that you soil mix will determine what PH will be best for you.

The potting mix will help such small plants but I'm still going to say you burnt them (lights not nutes), and now your over watering them.

If you was in a house fire and 90% of you skin was burnt would you be happy a few days later?

 

[Mayjor]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Ya...it has to be the lights or temp. Woke up about 20 mins ago and checked them. The 3 that looked the worst or now all dead i believe and the better looking 3 are mostly shriveled and crunchy It has to be getting to hot in there. The soil dried completely overnight and so did most of the plants. Even the biggest one is almost completely withered. Pics of the 3 i think i can still save:

 

[seagem]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Any thing new happening?

 

[seagem]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

My post overlapped your's. The one doesnt look to good. If that ice box doesnt have any venting you might should leave it open if you can. Dont know if your stealth or not. You might want to raise the shelf to the next level up, it seems a bit to far from the plants. The jiffy pots are great. They will start to degrade at some point depending on the environment you provide. I had used them before, make sure to watch the sides and btm for roots popping out. When that happens you will need to place in a larger pot with more soil, otherwise the roots can and will dryout. Put a pan under them and add some distilled water in the btm maybe they will wick feed. How many more seeds do you have to start another batch?

Just keep an eye on everything and 420 members will be here to help.I'll check back as I can.

 

[Mayjor]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Ya...i just moved them to where they are in the pics...they were up one level last night and thats where they were when they started shriveling. I have little holes drilled in the bottom of the fridge with a 6 inch fan in the top for exhaust. Im thinking i need to add an intake tube instead of the little holes. That may be the problem. These seeds cam out of a bag i was smoking. I have maybe 2 or 3 more that ive germinated already but my idiot self got them mixed with some other seeds i have and i forgot which they were. I can start a new batch it just wont be the same strain or quality. Now that i think i shoulda learned with the mids first. Ill leave the fridge cracked so we can get a little more air. Im scared to move them back up because of the whole drying thing. Not really a stealth thing i jus need smell control due to the area.

 

[seagem]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

yea I see where you posted. If your new to growing it is always best to start out with some regular seeds and check yourself up and make adjustments where they need to be. Are the plants putting off odor this early? Shouldn't be maybe closer to 3 weeks from seed.

If I can find it there is a sweet little carbon filter you can make, I'll send the link. Personally I would set them somewhere else until the get bigger. you might not have enough ventilation to move the heat out and for now you might only want 1 bulb 2 at the most at least until you get it figured out. You will learn to tell what they want with more experience if you've never grown in soil. You can also use some foil the dull side out to wrap around your pots to help with moisture evaporation. Just be careful to check daily maybe 2x's day for roots showing. At that point I would drop them into a bigger pot. Try not to transplant to often. I just finished all mine and will leave in the laundry soap tubs (cleaned and sterilized) from now until I and done with harvest. I may decide to keep back a mother but not sure yet.

How are you germ'in? paper towel method or just soaking..etc?
I bought a clothe closet from w**mart and hung reflector with cfl above for the first 4 weeks. they run about 30 $$'s. I loved it and will continue to start mine in it. A small fan and try was all i needed. I began with nutes at about 3 weeks give or take a few days. Right now I just have an open room, fan and cfl's on them. Not to bad for my first indoor grow.

i'll post when I find the link for the small filter.

 

[seagem]

Re: Me again. Heat, Nute burn, or pH problem?

Found it finally: Handmade Air Cleaner - YouTube its on utube
Good luck.Sorry I had to step away for a bit. You could use this manner and if you modified it with 2 DVD's and dont cut the center dvd holder so short. Put the active carbon (from pet store) in between with a panty hose or something similar it should pull enough odor temporarily. there are a few others just go to google and type in DIY active carbon filter or search here on 420.