Mars Hydro Grow Journal: TS 3000, Gorilla Glue Auto, 4x4 Tent, 2 Medium, 2 Pot Sizes

[Plant Dad]

ran the numbers using 10 on CO2 scale and Norma it is

you could start by simple pulling tops down, gives you that flat table like shape and results in multiple bud sites. then wait to see how plant grows, in a few days work with what the plant gives you to open up some bud sites. I like to wait for flower to start before i go to crazy on suckers leaves, just me.

I'm not huge on topping auto's but tons do and have great success, then do your best mr. miyagi .

I start with simple 90bend then slowly circle around a cage (tomato cage cut into half) and try to keep center open for light to pentrate lower than advertised 6" mars hydro says on canopy. I wait for flower so i know what suckers leaves are blocking what, i use my hand hold above bud site and look at the shadows and decide what to cut.
** DON"T forget you are more than likely going to have to support your bud sites later on because they are going to be HUGEmungus.

week 6-7 LSD auto, i'll clean out center more later

I'm scared to do anything to these autos... For experiment. What ever I do has't to be done to all of them. These big leaves are right on top of bottom growth. I'll watch growth for couple days... Maybe doing nothing is best for experiment. I'm not worried about yield. I think the separate yields are most important. The minute I start to manipulate them I will be tampering with possible growth and outcome of experiment.

 

[Paul Squiggle]

Ok.. I've got some umbrellas for fan leaves. Obviously there covering up some potential bud sites. Should I remove. Will it slow down growth. I haven't seen @SeniorMoments in a while but if your out there please give me some tips. Senior Moments grew some monster Gorilla Glue autos a couple months back. Anybody!!!! Love to hear thoughts.

Umbrellas.
Personally I leave them. I still have my first main fan leaves. When the plant gets more mature and if there is a deficiency, they are the first leaves it shows in I have found .If you remove them the deficiency will move further up the plant. You can tie them out of the way. But personally, I would leave them. But we all have different methods and judgements.

 

[Plant Dad]

Don't get me started either. All our courses have been shut for
year in the UK, because of covid. My back garden is now a driving range and the neighbours shed is full of holes . At least you get to use a real course.
Sorry for the late reply. I am not receiving notifications if replys???

No golf... Our golf shut down when covid first started, but I think they were all opened up by May 2020. Special devices are used with putter to take ball out of hole on green with out reaching in hole. WOW!!! Everyone is maintaining distance not touching each others balls..( Laughing ). Practice greens are closed or restricted numbers are allowed, but Dam!!! No reason why golf courses should be closed. Funny how random closers are. Alcohol is considered essential service. Yet you can't go to a A A meeting. Heart goes out to UK golfers.

 

[Paul Squiggle]

No golf... Our golf shut down when covid first started, but I think they were all opened up by May 2020. Special devices are used with putter to take ball out of hole on green with out reaching in hole. WOW!!! Everyone is maintaining distance not touching each others balls..( Laughing ). Practice greens are closed or restricted numbers are allowed, but Dam!!! No reason why golf courses should be closed. Funny how random closers are. Alcohol is considered essential service. Yet you can't go to a A A meeting. Heart goes out to UK golfers.

No touching each others balls? I'm sure that is in my book of Constitutions from the freemasons.
I can't believe they have invented a device for removing the ball from a hole without contamination.
Wasn't it originally called a glove?
I totally get you on the AA meeting comment. It actually gave me a fit of the giggles it's ironic on the highest level.
It's not all UK golfers that are affected. It's only us in our borough. But I'm not allowed to travel to another district because of the restrictions.
So my neighbours shed gets the driver aimed at it and I chip into his fish pond

 

[Plant Dad]

Day 27
I have calmed down and just tucked and tied just three umbrella leaves over and all is well. I've had to raise pots again for Edith and betty. They all look so healthy. Edith and betty are just so much shorter, but I think growth is similar, except for space between nods. I also raised light to cover canopy to 18inches and dimmer is at 50% now. My lux is just under 5000. I'm wondering if they will all start to flower at the same time? I never even thought different mediums would have affect on actual way plant is actually growing. Betty and Norma are in the front in Coco. I have changed color on names. Edith and June are white tags and pink name tags for Norma and Betty.

It's like a 5 inch difference in height. Plants in Coco are almost double in hight as FFOF plants.

I tied a couple fan leaves over to the side and tucked a few. Problem solved.

I'm in love with grow... I'm just fascinated.

They all look the same from the Top. Not sure if height will play a part in yield. Even Edith is looking as ready as any of them.

 

[Paul Squiggle]

Looking good. You can see from day to day that they are picking up the pace and growing. Different mediums will give different growth patterns but plants grow at different rates regardless of what they are grown in. I had a runt in the litter that was 3 nodes behind the rest, now it is the dominant one.
Your doing really well. Looking incredibly healthy...

 

[Mustang92]

GG i think is big auto on average anyway and you can get good harvest doing nothing but cleaning suckers out.

just a suggestion: if you are going to train you should start soon, if you going to top i'd go at 5 nodes well small, if low stress week 3.
I'd suggest pulling the branches down above the suckers instead of sucker leafs , your going to lose them later on anyway just let branches hold suckers down. I borrowed pic for you for example, i got nice warning about posting links so enjoy.

Just my opinion , I don't top auto's because i have other things to learn first before i bother, BUT tons of people top and topping is not that hard on a plant. I top all my photo's because of height indoors and i find topping doesn't stunt plants that much and most time they don't care, really you ain't removing that much plant topping. But sometimes they do lose two weeks , but who care with photo you manifold and go exrta veg anyway.

I'm making some g13 butter for cookies, i love g13 you can smell the Hawaiian in it and beauty high, i be feeling no pain real soon, cheers mates.
Cheers mates

** forgot get some safety pins use them to attache to fabric pot, then no holes in your 15$ fabric sacs

 

[Mustang92]

also forgot the plants look real good!!!

 

[Plant Dad]

GG i think is big auto on average anyway and you can get good harvest doing nothing but cleaning suckers out.

just a suggestion: if you are going to train you should start soon, if you going to top i'd go at 5 nodes well small, if low stress week 3.
I'd suggest pulling the branches down above the suckers instead of sucker leafs , your going to lose them later on anyway just let branches hold suckers down. I borrowed pic for you for example, i got nice warning about posting links so enjoy.

Just my opinion , I don't top auto's because i have other things to learn first before i bother, BUT tons of people top and topping is not that hard on a plant. I top all my photo's because of height indoors and i find topping doesn't stunt plants that much and most time they don't care, really you ain't removing that much plant topping. But sometimes they do lose two weeks , but who care with photo you manifold and go exrta veg anyway.

I'm making some g13 butter for cookies, i love g13 you can smell the Hawaiian in it and beauty high, i be feeling no pain real soon, cheers mates.
Cheers mates

** forgot get some safety pins use them to attache to fabric pot, then no holes in your 15$ fabric sacs

I think if it was just a normal grow I would. I've decided because of experiment I don't want to affect them in any way. If I just let them be plants. I look forward to many auto grows after this one that I will LST. I appreciate the thoughts. I will use on next auto grow. If I need to use a few ties at some point I may just use to spread branches apart.. Trying to do as little as possible.

 

[Mdlroad]

I'm scared to do anything to these autos... For experiment. What ever I do has't to be done to all of them. These big leaves are right on top of bottom growth. I'll watch growth for couple days... Maybe doing nothing is best for experiment. I'm not worried about yield. I think the separate yields are most important. The minute I start to manipulate them I will be tampering with possible growth and outcome of experiment.

My 1st grow gg autos day 49. Slight lst early. Defoliated lightly about twice per week. 2/3 FFOF 1/3 ffhf added perlite. Amended using worm castings with added kelp day 30 and day44

 

[Plant Dad]

My 1st grow gg autos day 49. Slight lst early. Defoliated lightly about twice per week. 2/3 FFOF 1/3 ffhf added perlite. Amended using worm castings with added kelp day 30 and day44

I'm gonna amend this week with worm castings and gaia 4-4-4 50% and 2-8-4 50% top dressed.

 

[Mdlroad]

I'm gonna amend this week with worm castings and gaia 4-4-4 50% and 2-8-4 50% top dressed.

Oh I forgot at signs of flower when pistils were present I amended with dry flower nutes npk 393

 

[Plant Dad]

Day 28
Looks like Betty is getting her flower on. Looks like Norma might be right behind her.

 

[Plant Dad]

Today it looks like Norma and Betty in Coco are starting their flowering stage and Edith and June just aren't gonna flower yet. I think I will lower Edith and June in FFOF soil down off their books and crank up light for flowering Norma and Betty.

 

[Paul Squiggle]

Today it looks like Norma and Betty in Coco are starting their flowering stage and Edith and June just aren't gonna flower yet. I think I will lower Edith and June in FFOF soil down off their books and crank up light for flowering Norma and Betty.

Sounds like a plan. Give one more of and take it away from the other.
It's a balance. Good idea

 

[Plant Dad]

Sounds like a plan. Give one more of and take it away from the other.
It's a balance. Good idea

I think others are within a week behind. I may have seen a pistol on June. I defoliated some lower fan leaves on all except Edith. I just couldn't stand looking at them. I'm still learning as I go.

I read a blog on watering Coco and I will water more often. I will water when top of the Coco is dry. 5 gallon pot should only need two liters and it should have 10 to 20% runoff. Not sure on 3 gallon pot. I guess about a liter an a half with about 10-20% runoff.

 

[Paul Squiggle]

We are all learning. Even the pros.
We all develop our own methods. All advice is guidance and we adapt it into our own style. I'm clueless about Coco. I've been brought up by grand parents in a self sufficient garden full of flowers and vegetables all grown in soil.. left over organics get composted to feed next year's crops. So Coco or any other method doesnt seem natural to me.
Nothing wrong with any other method. I'm actually in awe at how you lot manage on getting your nutes dialled in with hydro or DWC.
It's a skill that is more than I could master..
Jebus kripes, I went off on a tangent there.
Anyway mate your doing fab
Learning? You could teach..

 

[Plant Dad]

We are all learning. Even the pros.
We all develop our own methods. All advice is guidance and we adapt it into our own style. I'm clueless about Coco. I've been brought up by grand parents in a self sufficient garden full of flowers and vegetables all grown in soil.. left over organics get composted to feed next year's crops. So Coco or any other method doesnt seem natural to me.
Nothing wrong with any other method. I'm actually in awe at how you lot manage on getting your nutes dialled in with hydro or DWC.
It's a skill that is more than I could master..
Jebus kripes, I went off on a tangent there.
Anyway mate your doing fab
Learning? You could teach..

Thanks brother.. Yes growing in soil seems a bit of a no brainer if you can pump brakes on nutrients and water. Coco I'm learning likes it wet and since all this watering is going on I'm gonna have do a good top dressing and get nutes up for flower. Yes DWC seems like a royal pain. Just from reading journals there is so much that can go sideways fast. Coco seems so much like soil except the light airy nature of it. I'm enjoying the side by side but watering different mediums and pot sizes is a bit of a pain.

 

[Plant Dad]

Day 31

Yesterday I top dressed all of the girls and watered everyone except Edith. I watered Edith and Norma again today.

I'm watering Norma once a day and I'm watering Betty every other day. Both seem to be enjoying the Coco. The growth is upward and out. I'm defiantly getting more of a feeling for watering the Coco. I think I will be watering Norma twice a day at some point and Betty will be once a day.

Watering June and Edith is a no brainer. When I lift them up I can tell when its time for a drink. I would say June and Edith are having much slower root development in soil. The Growth is much more condensed. They're more bud sites on June and Edith tho.

I've been looking at a few Gorilla Glue Autos grows and the growth for June and Edith is very normal for a soil grow. From what I've seen they will grow some nice buds.

Betty and Edith in 5 gallon pots

Norma and June in 3 gallon pots

Week 5
Gorilla Glue Auto 4X4 Grow

 

[Mdlroad]

Day 31

Yesterday I top dressed all of the girls and watered everyone except Edith. I watered Edith and Norma again today.

I'm watering Norma once a day and I'm watering Betty every other day. Both seem to be enjoying the Coco. The growth is upward and out. I'm defiantly getting more of a feeling for watering the Coco. I think I will be watering Norma twice a day at some point and Betty will be once a day.

Watering June and Edith is a no brainer. When I lift them up I can tell when its time for a drink. I would say June and Edith are having much slower root development in soil. The Growth is much more condensed. They're more bud sites on June and Edith tho.

I've been looking at a few Gorilla Glue Autos grows and the growth for June and Edith is very normal for a soil grow. From what I've seen they will grow some nice buds.

Betty and Edith in 5 gallon pots

Norma and June in 3 gallon pots

Week 5
Gorilla Glue Auto 4X4 Grow

My gorilla glue day 35