Marijuana Activists Seize the Day

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With California teetering perpetually on the edge of financial ruin, marijuana activists have seized the moment, claiming that legalizing and taxing pot could help bail out the cash-strapped Golden State.

But critics are slamming the proposal, saying the social costs of a free-smoking state far outweigh the money it would bring in, and that a promised windfall from taxing marijuana sales couldn't possibly plug California's massive budget gap.

Voters are likely to confront the issue next year. Marijuana advocates say they have collected more than enough signatures, over 680,000, to qualify for November's ballot with a proposal to make California the first U.S. state to legalize possession and cultivation of pot for recreational use.

Passage remains far from certain, even in socially permissive California.

Fifteen years after Californians led the nation in approving the use of cannabis for medical purposes, fierce political debate is raging over a recent mushrooming of medicinal pot dispensaries in Los Angeles and other cities.

In northern California towns like Arcata and Eureka, where pot has long been part of the social fabric and local economy, illicit growers have reportedly stepped up production to meet rising demand generated by the proliferation of clinics around the state of 38 million.

'PROHIBITION IS CHAOS'

Under the latest initiative, simple possession of an ounce (28.5 grams) or less of marijuana, currently a misdemeanor offense punishable by a $100 fine, would be legal for anyone at least 21. It also would be lawful to grow limited amounts in one's own home for personal use.

While sales would not be legalized outright, cities and counties could pass laws permitting commercial distribution subject to local regulations and taxes. Retail sales would still be limited to an ounce for adults 21 and older.

A Field Poll in April found 56 percent of California voters favor legalizing recreational marijuana and taxing it as a new revenue source to ease the budget crunch.

The state tax board found that California could collect $1.4 billion a year in taxes from a legalization bill proposed by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, a San Francisco Democrat.

He backs the referendum as a prelude to his own statewide bill, saying that outlawing pot has proven a failure.

"Prohibition is chaos, and at least with regulation you have some control," Ammiano said.

But critics warn that the social harms of legalizing cannabis -- from declines in work production and academic achievement to a rise in traffic and job accidents -- would likely trump any economic benefits.

"The carnage in this country due to alcohol and tobacco use is enormous," said Joel Hay, professor of pharmaceutical economics and policy at the University of Southern California. "Why we would want to increase the use of another product that creates this kind of damage is hard to fathom."

Hay questions the accuracy of revenue projections for Ammiano's bill, based largely on a 2006 Harvard University study that valued California's annual marijuana crop of an estimated 8.6 million pounds (3.9 million kg) at $13.8 billion a year.

'DEALING WITH CONSEQUENCES'

"I don't know that their numbers are correct. But whether it's a billion or a half billion (dollars in revenue), that number will be swamped by the cost to the state of dealing with all the consequences," Hay said.

The tax board's estimate assumes marijuana's street price would drop by half if legalized but that demand would rise.

Still, the $1.4 billion in revenues projected for the Ammiano bill would make only a small dent in California's budget shortfall, estimated at $21 billion for 2009-10.

Supporters say many of the benefits of legalizing pot are harder to quantify. They argue that ending prosecutions of marijuana possession would free up strained law enforcement resources and strike a blow against drug cartels, much as repealing prohibition of alcohol in the 1930s crushed bootlegging by organized crime.

Stephen Gutwillig, California head of the Drug Policy Alliance, said current law "makes criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens."

State figures show misdemeanor marijuana possession arrests topped 61,400 in California last year, he said, up 127 percent from 1990, while arrests for all other crimes fell 40 percent.

The ballot measure's leading advocate, Richard Lee, owner of several marijuana-related businesses in Oakland, also said legalization could be for California what gambling long was for Nevada -- an added tourist attraction.

Lee argued that if alcohol, which he calls "a more dangerous drug" than marijuana, can be taxed and regulated by the government, "we can surely do it with cannabis."

But veteran political consultant Steve Smith said Lee's measure had an uphill fight.

"What you like to have going in is 60 percent support, because the high point of a proponent's campaign generally is when they start," he said. "If they're in the mid-50s, they have a chance of passage but it won't be easy."



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But critics warn that the social harms of legalizing cannabis -- from declines in work production and academic achievement to a rise in traffic and job accidents -- would likely trump any economic benefits.

---and fire will reign down from the sky while your children mutilate each other with rusty rakes! Then Hitler will rise from the dead and kill everyone in America, instantly. Oh i will also find millions of dollars under my mattress today and my goldfish will figure out perpetual energy.

See, i can make made up bullshit, scary claims too!

By "Critics" i think they mean either a) people who have NO clue on what they are talking about, or b) people who know, and then lie about it (yay the american drug czar!).

Look at Portugal, after they legalized ALL drugs (not just weed) did their country implode? Did hitler rise? did children everywhere start shooting up? nope, drug abuse went down, and even though marijuana use did go up at first, it is now down. More people are looking for help with drug addictions now than ever. Their economy is slowly coming back, and they are no longer investing scary amounts of money into the penitentiary system. So far, since 2001, things have only gotten better over there.

And i know that in the quote there are no crazy claims like Armageddon, but the claims made are still rediculuous. "declines in work production and academic achievement" more accidents, and enough instances of these that it would balance out millions, if not billions, of revenue from taxation? Do these critics think that the instant its legal every single person in the country will, no doubly, instantly, and irreversibly become huge stoners who only smoke all the time? Thats kinda the feel they are giving off...

I wouldn't be surprised to see more admitted use of the drug, but really, anyone that wants to smoke, does. Its illegal, but nobody cares. The only difference now is that broker and doctor and law student will admit to smoking, where they would previously deny usage.

Oh well, lets hope that it gets legalized soon, and after the mass hysteria wears of the rest of the country will realize that marijuana is helpful, harmless, and ofcourse, profitable.
 
How can you tell if the waters cold? If you dont test it first? :roorrip:
 
"Why we would want to increase the use of another product that creates this kind of damage is hard to fathom."

Let's remember why this new taxation sounds good to some. It is not an increase of marijuana smokers. We are living with a large percentage of the population using marijuana and unless you have a medical right, you purchase from the black market. I don't think California will have to do much advertising if it passes.
 
The only difference now is that broker and doctor and law student will admit to smoking, where they would previously deny usage.

exactly, the naysayers have no idea how widespread marijuana use is, that or they are making up lies as you said above. poor people, rich people, gangstas and doctas...the persecution must end. free the weed!

while i find harold and kumar, spicoli, and cheech and chong just as funny as the rest of you, i think the stoner slacker stereotype as perpetuated by these movies is at least 75% of the problem. modern day reefer madnessEs.

there are functional and productive pot smokers all around us but unfortunately, with only a few exceptions, mainstream media/entertainment fail to demonstrate the productive side of cannabis use. the ironic thing is that i don't think any of the above mentioned caricatures were ever meant to dis the weed. they are mere exaggerations that too many marijuana teetotalers take way too seriously.
 
while not yet buying a plane ticket to Cali,I am very interested in how this will affect tourism??? Do we know how much money is spent going to Amsterdam every year? This amount I believe will be dwarfed by the amount that will be spent on"going to California", after all isn't it all about money for the government. Not busts,raids,seizures but good people like you and me going to enjoy something that should be legal anyway..How is a plant Illegal anyway??
 
i should have left that last anyway off, we all know why it is illegal.
There are a lot of Miserable people out there who do not like to see people smiling and happy..As for me I will smoke it until I no longer wish to smoke it.The gov, does not and will not tell me what to ingest, oh wait a minute yes they do. I just do not listen and neither should you.They like to say they only want to protect me. I was a Marine, I like to think I know how to protect myself and my family don't you?? They only want to control your mind and what is left of your pocketbook. Sorry for soap-boxing I am 'new'
 
...there are functional and productive pot smokers all around us but unfortunately, with only a few exceptions, mainstream media/entertainment fail to demonstrate the productive side of cannabis use.

Yeah, but that's just because they have to make their movies/tv shows entertaining, and the positive, productive cannabis users are simply boring, everyday people.

Movie treatment: "Man wakes up, eats breakfast, goes to work, comes home, makes dinner, watches TV, goes to bed, gets up and does it again. On the weekend he does some shopping, cuts the lawn, get together with friends, maybe eats out and goes to a movie. On Sunday he relaxes with his favorite mass broadcast entertainment. Monday starts the cycle all over again"

Yeah, people will pay to watch that, no doubt.
 
Welcome to the club Newb...:roorrip:
 
i should have left that last anyway off, we all know why it is illegal.
There are a lot of Miserable people out there who do not like to see people smiling and happy..As for me I will smoke it until I no longer wish to smoke it.The gov, does not and will not tell me what to ingest, oh wait a minute yes they do. I just do not listen and neither should you.They like to say they only want to protect me. I was a Marine, I like to think I know how to protect myself and my family don't you?? They only want to control your mind and what is left of your pocketbook. Sorry for soap-boxing I am 'new'

Welcome, and have a seat. **passes ilynnboy a joint** :grinjoint:
 
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