Manifolding LSD & Heavyweight Fruit Punch LED Organic

[ItsNatural]

No, Unfortunately theres just not enough time to do this with autos. Topping once is even a debate among some. You would prolly be better off with some Low Stress Training. But Iv never grown Autos. I have a couple seeds, just havent jumped down that rabbit hole yet.

 

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UPDATE: 25 DAYS FROM SEED

Average Daytime temp: 88F
Average Nighttime Temp: 82F
Average RH: 68


Ok...So I watered the girls with plain non PHed water Tuesday because I was leaving for a couple days. Didnt have time to bubble any nutes So I gave them a small amount of support nutes. 1tsp Catalyst and 1/2tps CalMag....So I guess it wasnt completely plain. lol Anyway. Here are the pictures from Tuesday

Today I came home and they were ready for manifold cut number 2. I have decided to go with Nebulas way as I didnt pull as much last grow as I would have liked and dont want to run out. And Nugbuckets way will take a bit longer. And I honestly dont see the difference other than looks. Or should I say...Im not seeing where there would be any difference other than looks. I am still going to end up with 8 colas. Nice and spread out. I made a light batch of nutes for tomorrow. They are bubbling right now. Mix went as follows

1tsp GROW
1/2tsp Bloom
1/2tsp MICROBLAST
1/2tsp CALMAG

I wont add the Micro and CalMag until Im ready tho. I made 3 gallons. Thats a little over a half gallon a piece. Which I believe will be plenty. Here are some pictures of me manifolding.

I counted from the base, and counted up to the 3rd node. And then topped her

I then cut all the second grow off. Leaving only the 1st and 3rd Nodes. Like so

I then pulled up my Garden staples/spikes, and replaced them down the branch a little so that the nodes that are left and growing are going to grow straight up. Like so

Now as for the Delicious Candy. Tuesday. I took all her fan leafs but 1. Did some more LST. She looked like this

Today I just did a little more LST. Im about to move her to her home. As soon as my 2700k CFLs come in. I also would like for the shoots to grow a little longer so I can spread them out a little more. Here she is today.

Here is a comparison from Tuesday to today. Which is 2 days.

Ok thats it for now I think. Now I am just waiting for them to recover. Which honestly doesnt seem like it takes as long as alot of people try to act. I could be wrong. But I think the first treatment had to be worse and it didnt seem like it took a break after it. It just kept on growing. Hopefully by the end of next week I will be flipping to flower. I know my last 2 grows I vegged for 6 weeks each. Last grow was too long but I think that is because of the heat and all the stretching. So I still got over 2 weeks of veg left before Im over my normal veg time. Anyway. Let me know what you think. Good OR Bad. Honestly. Id rather you tell me Im doing something wrong, than to be nice, act like everything is going great, and let my grow go south. TIll next time



PS:
My only concern right now is that the inner nodes have a head start on the outter top nodes. Might not make a difference in the long run. But right now they ahead.

 

[Fuzznutter]

Wow! I love all the detail you gave - with pictures! I sure don't see a thing wrong. It's textbook beautiful.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE: 26 DAYS FROM SEED

I fed the girls today. They all split 3 gallons of the nutes I had bubbling from yesterday. Here are the girls recovering from the manifold.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE: 29 DAYS FROM SEED



Ok. So let me start with DC (Delicious Candy) Last night, I trimmed her up real good. Clipping all the lower growth on each stem. I then Set up my small tent to house her in. I switch to 12/12. It may be a little early but Iv never grown with CFLs and dont really know what to expect. I got 10 23w 2700k bulbs over her. The temp in the tent was a little higher than I want. I went and check 2 hours after I moved her to make sure temp werent out of control. They were steady at 91F. All I have is a small 4" intake fan. Not powerful enough. But without it, temps get way out of hand. I also adjusted the LST to bring the plant further out away from its center. Here are some pics

Now as for the main show. They are coming along nicely. I went ahead and put some ties on her 8 shoots to keep her growing outward. I got some tomato cages. They are the small 12" ones but I cant afford to buy any plant supports right now. Although I seen some cheap ones that had a 14" ring. Do you all think 12" will be big enough? I was going to make some nutes, but honestly the girls are looking and doing great. And I seen a couple small burn spots. But not on the edges, in the middle of leaf. Small and only like 1. I am just not sure if I should really start nutes right now or wait until flower, or signs than they need it. My plan as of now is to just give them some Hi-Brix and Catalyst. With maybe some calmag and protekt. I know FFOF is really good soil. And last grow I didnt give a whole lot of nutes until I flipped them to flower. IDK Here are some pictures of today.

Well thats it for now.

 

[Fuzznutter]

Your plants look great!

How wide are your pots? I'm thinking the ring should be a couple inches wider near the top than the pots are wide. However, you could always tie some of the main branches to the outside of the rings with soft wire and then use the inside to support secondary or inner branches.

I really don't know about your nute questions but if you start low and see any burning you can easily back off without upsetting the plants much. I say use your best judgement, it is working very well so far!

 

[ItsNatural]

Thanks for your support Fuzz. Im not sure about the width. I will check tonight. But I was thinking the same thing. Is why I was looking at those 14" supports. But I think my pots are 10" Its gonna be close. And I dont really plan on any secondary branches. I am just going to focus on the 8 colas.

 

[Fuzznutter]

Thanks for your support Fuzz. Im not sure about the width. I will check tonight. But I was thinking the same thing. Is why I was looking at those 14" supports. But I think my pots are 10" Its gonna be close. And I dont really plan on any secondary branches. I am just going to focus on the 8 colas.

If you already bought them I'd just use them and attach the branches to the outer edge then. So long as they're evenly distributed around the ring it shouldn't make a bit of difference. However, depending on how narrow the support is at the bottom, I'd consider putting it in place sooner rather than later. You could have issues getting it around the plant without damage if you wait too long...unless it's so tall that it would force the lights out too far.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE: 31 DAYS FROM SEED


I watered them last night with

1tsp CATALYST
1tsp HI-BRIX
1/2tsp CALMAG

Each plant got a half gallon each. Not enough for runoff. Nothing else really to talk about. HEre are some pics.

DC UPDATE: 3 DAYS IN FLOWER

Ave Day Time Temp...90F
Ave Night time Temp...77F
Ave RH....45

I fed her last night a half gallon of nutes. Unfortunately I didnt bubble them. First time Iv ever gave EJ without bubbling. They say you can so heres hoping. Mix went like this

1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1/2tsp BLOOM
1/2tsp CATALYST
1/2tsp HI-BRIX
1/2tsp CALMAG

Im sure the PH was pretty low. Hopefully my soil is alive enough to buffer it. We shall see. I havent really had to move the lights too much yet but its only been 3 days. Iv never grown with CFLs so I dont know what to expect. I hope it doesnt stretch too much. But if so I will just keep tying it down. Here are some pics

Heres my half gallon of Nutes

Well thats it for now.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE: 35 DAYS FROM SEED

Average Daytime Temp: 85F
Average Nighttime Temp: 77F
Average RH: 77



I was going to make some nutes for the girls last night because I am going to water them tonight. But they are looking pretty good with what I am doing now so I will continue to just give them support nutes. So the mix will be...per gallon

1tsp CATALYST
1tsp CALMAG
1tsp MICROBLAST
1/8tsp BIOZEUS

I check the girls last night and gave them a good look over to make sure there was no signs of def. Everything looks great. Stems are green. I always seem to have a problem with them turning red. Lack of P I guess. Or some kind of lock out. Maybe too much P IDK but it all looks pretty good. Leafs are a REAL dark green color. Last night they looked to be about ready to be lst again. With will be the last time I tie them down again. But I want them about to the edge of the pot. To give them a little room away from each other. Then I will allow them to grow straight up thru the tomato cage.I am 5 weeks into veg. I usually veg for 6 weeks. I could honestly not LST them again, let them grow for another week to the 6 week mark and flip and still prolly have a decent harvest. Maybe even the same I will have doing it my way. IDK. I dont think my light penetrates that far through to give me the long thick buds. So fliping a week from now would prolly be about the same as me LSTing, letting grow tall enough again and flip, then defoliating the bottom. But I will continue with the plan. WIll prolly end up with an 8 week veg. Maybe 7. Anyway, Here are some pictures from like 3 days ago. Sorry, I just never got around to uploading them. lol

PS
I am liking this manifolding so far. If the yield lives up to the hype. Or If I can at least get 3zzs a plant. Then This might be my official Technic. Very simple and WAY less work than running a SCROG. Im not even half way so things can very well change.


DC UPDATE: 7 DAYS IN FLOWER

Average Daytime Temp: 90F
Average Nighttime Temp: 77F
Average RH: 55


Made nutes last night for tonight. Made 1 gallon of mix. Mix went as follows

2tsp BLOOM
1tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1tsp GROW
1tsp CATALYST
1tsp HI-BRIX
1tsp CALMAG
1tsp MICROBLAST
1/8 tsp BIOZEUS
1/4tsp MAMMOTH P
1/2tsp PRO-TEKT

I will give it the whole gallon to make sure I get lots of runoff. Kinda like recharging the soil. But not. LOL I leave that to Fuzz.
I dont have any pics. I will take some tonight. DC isnt near as dark as the girls under the LED. I honestly think maybe I let it get to big. Maybe my little CFL setup is more for little 1 or even 2 gallon pots. We shall find out. I did my last defoliating last night and also readjusted the LST. I cut everything prettymuch below the tops. I just dont know how this is going to turn out, I wish I had some CFL pros in here. Anyway. Ill take some pics tonight and try to up them tomorrow.

 

[Fuzznutter]

They're looking great! All uniform and pretty!

My photo girls are probably getting their last top in the next couple days. Then it will just be some LST to keep the height uniform and letting them start their upward climb. I think this topping will be easier on me than the last because I don't have to strip branches as well. My poor babies.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE: 36 DAYS FROM SEED

So I fed the girls last night. Only gave them a half gallon a piece. Like I said. They are looking pretty good. Although last night I did notice some are looking kinda waxy. Iv looked it up and no one seems to really know. Iv seen alot of different reasons for it. Iv had them before, and it didnt seem to be a big deal but we shall see.

I defoliated all the lower growth on each branch. I didnt adjust their LST though. I think as they grow, I will slowly pull them out. I actually forgot my camera the first time I went out there so I dont have any pictures of the before other than what I uploaded yesterday that is from like 4 days ago. But they were nice and thick. I am really enjoying this technique of growing so far. I know I have already said it. But it is alot easier on my back than running a scrog. All that tucking is brutal. Physically AND mentally. Constantly trying to figure out the routes of each branch. Then having the change and try to reroute. This is SO MUCH SIMPLER.But if it doesnt produce, or takes too long. Then I dont guess any of that matters. I will rack my brain and back if I have to, to make sure I get a good harvest. Anyway Here is what they look like now.



4 Days ago

Now

DC UPDATE: 8 DAYS IN FLOWER


I fed her last night. A full gallon of nutes. Plenty of runoff. I also adjusted the lights a little. I dont think this is going to turn out all that great. Plant is too big and is still going to get bigger. I think I will need to end up getting a cheap LED or something for it. But I actually got it just to start my next crop in each time. So I can shave a few weeks off each grow by having the next grow started and a couple weeks in. But with this extra veg time the Manifolding girls are going to take I thought I would throw one in there and run a quick one. I had actually planned on doing a 12/12 baby. Where you grow one from start to finish on 12/12. But I thought, Na, Theres plenty of room in that tent and I already have 10 sockets in there. Ill veg for a couple of weeks then do it. Now here I am and I have no idea whats going to happen. NOT COMPLAINING. Either way, its a growing experience and I am all about that. It was a freebie. I didnt get an LED tho because I was afraid they would be too powerful for my headspace. Anyway I am pretty sure It is showing signs of preflowers. Here are some pictures from last night.

Well thats it for now. Very quite and empty in here.

 

[Fuzznutter]

Your ladies are looking really good!

I won't advise you on the light situation because I've never grown with CFL and my answer is always, "More lights!" It's taking every ounce of willpower I have right now not to replace my T5 with another LED, and I should note the willpower well is running dry. To be honest, I'm not even sure it has enough in it to last the day. Plus I've got the auto bug now and am eyeballing more seeds.

I tried a scrog once and agree it can be a pain trying to reposition branches all the time. I made the mistake of attaching my scrog net to a frame I had made to hold up my lights. This made it impossible to move the pot at all. Not my brightest moment.

 

[ItsNatural]

UPDATE: 40 DAYS FROM SEED

Average Daytime Temp: 84F
Average Nighttime temp: 77F
Average RH: 62

Watered the girls last night. I made 2 gallons so each plant got a half gallon. Each gallon had

1tsp CATALYST
1tsp MICROBLAST
1tsp CALMAG
1/8tsp MAMMOTH P

I took some tomato cages and cut them to size and cut the left over support leaving only the top support. I cut them to about 15 inches tall.

Here are some pictures from yesterday

And today

I Think Im going to flip them Sunday. I will mix some nutes Sat. Let them bubble to Sunday night and Adjust My timer to cut lights at 8am instead of 2pm. I usually let them sit in dark for 18 or 20 hrs before I switch. But I was also adjusting the time. I dont need to this time so I will just feed them bloom nutes Sunday and start it on 12 12. I prolly should let it veg for another week at least. IDK I honestly dont know when I am suppose to flip. I learn one way or another.





DC UPDATE: 12 DAYS IN FLOWER


Average Daytime temp: 90F
Average Nighttime temp: 77F
Average RH 58


I fed DC last night. I gave her a half gallon that bubbled overnight. Mix went

1/2tsp GROW
2tsp BLOOM
1/2tsp BIG BLOOMIN GUANO
1/2tsp MICROBLAST
1/2tsp CALMAG
1/2tsp CATALYST
1/2tsp HI-BRIX
1/4tsp MAMMOTH P
1/2tsp PROTEKT

DId last bit of defoliating. Still trying to ride out this stretch. So far hasnt been real real bad but I have been seeing some Rogues trying to stretch away from the rest of the pack. I definitely think I flipped too lat. Also think I should have put in a 2 gallon fab pot. Here are some pictures. Nothing major going on yet.

 

[Fuzznutter]

They look good! Personally, I'd wait the extra week before flipping them, but that's just my preference. Is there a reason you're looking to do it this weekend instead?

 

[ItsNatural]

not really and was thinking the same. I just know my light only seemes to penetrate so far down and I dont want wasted veg time. BUT Iv also never grown like this and defoliated like this. Giving more space for light to penetrate. So I think your right and will wait another week at least. I may still start giving it low doses of bloom nutes to get her ready. Or I may wait until mid week and then start them on bloom nutes. I want to give them a shot of bloom a few days before the switch. So Yea..ill prolly wait until about weds and see what I am looking at. If they look like they are ready for Sunday I will fix up some bloom nutes. How tall do you think I should let them get before switching?

 

[Fuzznutter]

Well, the original instructions say to flip when they are about 3" to 6" above the ring. I'd aim for that. Even though they'll grow taller, you strip most of the lower growth away after the stretch anyway and won't have to worry about light penetration below the ring. Remember, it's all about developing the tops.

 

[ItsNatural]

Yea but how tall should the ring be. lol Good tips tho. Im still a little foggy on defoliating and when. Not sure how late i can do it. So after stretch just trim all growth under ring. That is what I was talking about tho when I said wasted veg time. I could lower the ring 3 inches and they would be 3 inches above the ring. Would stretch about the same above the ring as it would have and buds would be the same size. Just know added cutting of the bottom because its already stripped. Just examining all options and reasons. What do you think? is the added time better because its more time to build stronger stalks? IDK just pondering lol

 

[Fuzznutter]

The ring should be 12" to 15" above the soil. I believe you would want the added growth time to let each cola elongate slightly more for additional bud sites (at and above the ring) and, if the plant is a side brancher, time to let them reach canopy height. My defoliating plan is to only remove fan leaves that are directly blocking bud sites I want developed, and only if they can't be tucked, until after the stretch. Then I'll prune everything that's more than a couple inches below the ring.

You're planning to flower under the LED right? This is my first grow using them, but I've seen others use similar LEDs with untrained plants considerably larger than ours will be and they did just fine. I'm trusting the lights can handle it. However, I reserve the right to reevaluate this after the grow is complete.

 

[ItsNatural]

Yea Iv bloomed 2 crops under this light so I know its good. I mean it has the 5w chip. Which is more powerful and suppose to give better light penetration. But my worry comes from my last 2 grows under the scrog. After about 6-8 inches under the canopy the buds start getting smaller and airier. But like I said before. That scenario was alot bushier. So maybe light just wasnt able to break thru as well. I am going to wait and give it time and play it like I can get 10 inch buds. All that really matters in the end is that I end up with at LEAST 2zzs a plant. But really am wanting and expecting 3. I was getting 2 and more from my scrog. With less times. And really good smoke. I hope to keep at that pace. If I can yield the same at least then its worth it to not have to mess with the scrog. We shall see.